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Pope Francis draws crowds 4 times larger than Benedict
Reuters ^ | Dec 18 2013 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 12/21/2013 8:58:16 AM PST by MarkBsnr

More than two million people have flocked to Pope Francis' general audiences in St. Peter's Square since his election in March, four times the number that Pope Benedict drew in all of 2012.

The Vatican said on Wednesday it had issued 1,548,500 tickets for the 30 Wednesday general audiences Francis has held since his election on March 13 as the first non-European pope in 1,300 years.

But it said the actual number was "much larger" because no tickets are needed for the rear section of the square and surrounding streets, which accommodate overflow. That area, which fits at least 20,000, is regularly filled during Francis' audiences.

The Vatican did not issue comparative figures on Wednesday but figures released on Jan. 4 showed that 447,000 tickets were issued for the 43 general audiences held by former Pope Benedict in all of 2012.

The pope, who last week was named Time Magazine's Person of the Year, has drawn people to the Vatican because of his outgoing, simple and friendly style. Benedict was more reserved and far less spontaneous.

Francis has forsaken many of the trappings used by his predecessors. He has given up the spacious papal apartments in the Apostolic Palace for a small apartment in a guest house and is driven in a regular car instead of the papal limousine.

Francis has also proven to be hugely popular because of his statements urging the Church to be closer to the poor and to be more merciful and less condemning. The crowds at Francis' general audiences have often topped 100,000, forcing police to close off the main boulevard leading to the Vatican to accommodate more people.

The Vatican newspaper said Francis telephoned Benedict to exchange Christmas greetings. Benedict is living in a former convent on the Vatican grounds and has the title Pope Emeritus. Tickets to audiences and all other papal events are issued for free by the Vatican's Prefecture of the Pontifical Household and usually distributed through parishes and Church institutions.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Eastern Religions
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They came to see JPII; they came to hear BXVI; they came to touch Francis.

God has blessed us three times in a row - each one more than the last.

1 posted on 12/21/2013 8:58:16 AM PST by MarkBsnr
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To: MarkBsnr

Social Gospel is popular with the masses.


2 posted on 12/21/2013 9:01:55 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: MarkBsnr
Yes, this is just what we need. A Pope who's number one on the pop charts! Oy gevalt!
3 posted on 12/21/2013 9:05:57 AM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: MarkBsnr

Is there a Nielsen rating for popes?


4 posted on 12/21/2013 9:18:26 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: MarkBsnr
Popularity is the surest way to determine holiness!
5 posted on 12/21/2013 9:20:48 AM PST by Yossarian
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To: MarkBsnr

What a stupid headline. The Pope’s value is not in crowds.


6 posted on 12/21/2013 9:27:14 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: MarkBsnr
If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
7 posted on 12/21/2013 9:31:24 AM PST by irishjuggler
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To: MarkBsnr

The people worshipped the golden calf and chose Barabbas over Jesus Christ.


8 posted on 12/21/2013 9:36:19 AM PST by oblomov
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To: MarkBsnr
To me, the Pope is trying to shed the showy excess of the church and move it back towards its fundamental roots.

After all, Jesus is for everybody; that is all sinners. He instructed his disciples to go and spread the Good News and heal the sick. They are to do this without the pompous regalia, but the supports from the people (I am using Luke 9:1-6 example).

9 posted on 12/21/2013 9:45:15 AM PST by Fishing-guy
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To: oblomov

This is the best Pope the Catholics ever had. So proud to be Catholic!!!!!


10 posted on 12/21/2013 9:51:44 AM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: MarkBsnr

Pope Benedict was a blessing. Pope Francis is the result of a curse.


11 posted on 12/21/2013 10:02:05 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: napscoordinator

I’ve tried to be Catholic, really I have.

Although I was not raised Catholic, my wife was. I nonetheless have read Aquinas, Augustine, More, Maritain, Chesterton, Belloc.

Neither my wife no I trust any religious institution.

If there are lifeboats in this flood, I have yet to find one.


12 posted on 12/21/2013 10:14:04 AM PST by oblomov
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To: ebb tide

And the prophets and biblical scribes warned us thousands of years ago.

We have the pop star president and now the pop star pope. It’s hip to be marxist.


13 posted on 12/21/2013 10:18:11 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: MarkBsnr

We learn in many ways.


14 posted on 12/21/2013 10:24:05 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: oblomov
There will be someone here with a story similar to your story1

Coming Home Network

15 posted on 12/21/2013 10:28:08 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

The Pope is not Marxist.


16 posted on 12/21/2013 10:28:40 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

He’s a Jesuit; same thing.


17 posted on 12/21/2013 10:32:07 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: Salvation

He speaks in words that resonate of populism and class warfare. I do not doubt for a moment that he is a humble man and a man of faith, but I do not like nor do I think it is constructive to condemn capitalism when it is the non-capitalist political systems that have caused most of the world’s ills—communism, socialism, fascism, etc. His statements are confusing. To say that the world’s greatest wrong is the lack of opportunities for youth and the loneliness of the elderly is just not accurate. Are they wrong? Yes, absolutely. However, the greatest moral wrongs of our age are the growing secularism of society including the rise of moral relativism. Benedict XVI nailed this on the head, and there was no confusion about what he meant. We live in a world, and a country, that accepts euthanasia, abortion, class warfare, homosexuality, and a blatant lack of respect for human life and for self. These are the issues that I would like the Pope to speak about. John Paul II and Benedict XVI were very concise in calling evil out for what it is. I am not so sure about Francis.


18 posted on 12/21/2013 10:48:11 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: ebb tide

No, it is NOT. (Fr. James Schall comes to mind ....as well as many others.)

PS Generalizations are not logical.


19 posted on 12/21/2013 11:09:42 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe; Salvation

He didn’t *condemn* capitalism.


20 posted on 12/21/2013 11:11:29 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: ebb tide

Oh Wow! May God have mercy and forgive you.


21 posted on 12/21/2013 11:16:46 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: ebb tide

?? You are very mixed up if you believe a Jesuit is the same as a Marxist.

Guess you didn’t see Pope Francis’ reply on this.


22 posted on 12/21/2013 11:34:43 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

>>A key figure in the story of the Jesuits’ implosion is Fr. Pedro Arrupe — another Spaniard who lived in Japan — and who, oddly enough, employed Nicolás as his personal barber. Elected 28th General of the Order in 1965, Arrupe was either a “second Ignatius” of prophetic proportions or a well-meaning naïf, depending on whom you talk to. Under Arrupe’s guidance, the Jesuits’ 1974 General Congregation decreed “the promotion of justice” as an “absolute requirement” for Jesuit activities.

The problem is that many Jesuits’ “promotion of justice” collapsed almost immediately into radical left-wing activism. Sensible Jesuit-authored critiques of Latin American oligarchies, for example, soon degenerated into Marxist versions of liberation theology.<<

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/223480/end-jesuits/samuel-gregg


23 posted on 12/21/2013 11:44:00 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: oblomov

“...Neither my wife no I trust any religious institution...”

Probably a good thing to do. However, it is not the institution you need to emulate, but the institution’s founder. Since every institution is made up of humans who are not perfect, we all need to seek out the truth, which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Is it not a puzzle why Jesus entrusted his church to humans? He must have had some trust in them. He promised to send us the Holy Spirit. Since Christianity has survived and flourished for 20 centuries already, the church must be doing something right.

By the way, I personally have been very satisfied with all the last three Bishops of Rome, and I do not measure them against whether they cause me to reevaluate my actions now and then. I think if Jesus walked the earth today, I would occasionally feel some discomfort with his words too.


24 posted on 12/21/2013 11:44:27 AM PST by Gumdrop
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To: SumProVita

Are you talking about the god that the muslims worship? If so, I’m not worried.


25 posted on 12/21/2013 11:49:47 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: SumProVita

He warned of “unfettered capitalism” while not warning of the dangers of marxism, leninism, stalinism, socialism, fascism, islamism, radicalism, populism, humanism, secularism, etc. His words were certainly not an endorsement of capitalism which is the only system that has created wealth and freedom for so many.


26 posted on 12/21/2013 12:03:27 PM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: ebb tide
Marxist ideology is wrong,” Francis explained to La Stampa in an interview published Dec. 14. “
27 posted on 12/21/2013 12:08:28 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Don’t believe everything this Pope tells you. Otherwise you could be sorry.


28 posted on 12/21/2013 12:14:07 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: SumProVita

>>PS Generalizations are not logical.<<

Tell that to Francis when he denigrates traditional Catholics.


29 posted on 12/21/2013 12:22:40 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: SumProVita; Salvation
Can you pick out the Jesuits in this photo? I'll give you hint: there's more than one.


30 posted on 12/21/2013 1:15:25 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: SumProVita

I understand.


31 posted on 12/21/2013 3:10:54 PM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: oblomov

“Although I was not raised Catholic, my wife was. I nonetheless have read Aquinas, Augustine, More, Maritain, Chesterton, Belloc.

Neither my wife no I trust any religious institution.

If there are lifeboats in this flood, I have yet to find one.”


What did you read of Augustine? You should read his Enchiridon on Faith, Hope and Love, as well as all his other anti-Pelagian works.

They won’t make you a Catholic though. They’ll make you Protestant.

Hmm, well, so does reading the Bible, so maybe stick with just the scripture, and then Augustine as icing on the cake.


32 posted on 12/21/2013 5:56:53 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: ebb tide

When has he done this?


33 posted on 12/21/2013 6:23:55 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: ebb tide

So what?


34 posted on 12/21/2013 6:25:45 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: ebb tide

You know, reading your posts here and elsewhere I’m just not sure: are you a fan of Pope Francis?

It’s really not clear. You shouldn’t mince words. :)


35 posted on 12/21/2013 6:30:47 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

This is what is known as a combination of nitpicking and insufficient substance to attempt to prove your point.

1. Anyone with a brain would understand the dangers of unfettered capitalism. Though it is the best economic system attempted by mankind so far, it is not perfect (and we will never have a perfect system in this life. Pope Francis was warning us of the misuse of capitalism where sin enters in. Ignoring God and seeking far too much after MATERIAL THINGS is one aspect of what has horribly weakened this great nation (there are several others...and all begin with putting God on the back burner.)

2. It is fairly evident that you haven’t read much of what Pope Francis has had to say regarding Marxism, Leninism, the Stalinist regime, socialism, fascism, Islamism, radicalism, populism, humanism, secularism, etc.
If you had read any number of things that he has had to say on such topics, you would never had posted what you did.


36 posted on 12/21/2013 6:42:59 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

When has he hasn’t?


37 posted on 12/21/2013 6:49:38 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I see you have no proof for what you stated....or do you? Here’s your opportunity to prove what you said is true. Go for it.


38 posted on 12/21/2013 7:34:11 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: ebb tide

When did Pope Francis denigrate traditional Catholics?

Substantive proof, please....


39 posted on 12/21/2013 7:38:35 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

Pope Francis Little Book of Insults.

Google it.


40 posted on 12/21/2013 8:23:18 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: SumProVita
It is fairly evident that you haven’t read much of what Pope Francis has had to say regarding Marxism, Leninism, the Stalinist regime, socialism, fascism, Islamism, radicalism, populism, humanism, secularism, etc.

Pope Francis:

To Muslims throughout the World

It gives me great pleasure to greet you as you celebrate ‘Id al-Fitr’, so concluding the month of Ramadan, dedicated mainly to fasting, prayer and almsgiving.

41 posted on 12/21/2013 8:32:04 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Nope. YOU made the statement so YOU give me the substance.


42 posted on 12/21/2013 8:34:04 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: ebb tide

Source? Context? How does this prove your view?


43 posted on 12/21/2013 8:35:04 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

I made the statement. It’s up to you to refute my statement. Go for it.


44 posted on 12/21/2013 8:40:07 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: SumProVita

Who do you think I am? Your personal errand boy?


45 posted on 12/21/2013 8:41:31 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

So now we know you are a male. LOL!


46 posted on 12/21/2013 8:42:39 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Does it make it difference? And who’s “we”?


47 posted on 12/21/2013 8:50:22 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I do my own errands.

When you make a statement, you should do so with substantive proof....particularly if you are asked to substantiate a something specific that you have posted.


48 posted on 12/21/2013 8:50:43 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: ebb tide

Anyone can make a statement. You can state anything you wish...but proving it to be true is apparently beyond your capability.


49 posted on 12/21/2013 8:52:03 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Salvation

Why were you even concerned about my gender? Is that an obsession of yours? Who are you to judge?


50 posted on 12/21/2013 8:53:00 PM PST by ebb tide
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