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Homosexual relations and the Bible
PeaceByJesus.com ^ | 2007 | Daniel1212

Posted on 12/22/2013 2:54:06 AM PST by daniel1212

Homosexual relations and the Bible

A comprehensive examination of pro-homosexual interpretations of the Bible, by the grace of God. For PDF download of the complete document (over 57 pages), right click here and choose to save. For sectioned series (not as current), see here.

The interpretive conflict regarding homosexuality and the Bible is a relatively recent phenomenon, between two fundamentally different positions and interpretive schools. Historical/traditional scholarship evidences that the Bible contains laws which prohibit homosexual relations (same gender sexual relations; also referred to as homoeroticism or homogenital relations, or “homosex”), and which are as universal and immutable as laws against illicit heterosexual partners are shown to be, and unlike incest, homosexual relations never were allowed. In addition, the necessary positive sanction of marriage, which is provided explicitly for opposite gender sexual unions, is nowhere established for homosexual unions.

Pro-homosexual polemicists have responded to this problem by asserting all the injunctions against homosexual relations are culture or contextually bound or for other reasons cannot not universally apply today, and or that the Bible is not wholly inspired of God and provides no transcendent universal sexual ethic. In addition, advocates of homosexual relations often propose or assert that homoeroticism and even same-sex marriage can be seen in many close relationships between persons in the Bible.

Those within the former camp see the attempts by pro-homosexual polemicists as unwarranted, "revolutionary and revisionist", (James B. De Young, Homosexuality p. 135) with homosexual misinterpretations being a manifestation of the efforts made from the beginning (Gn. 3:1-5) to both negate what God has commanded in the Bible, as well as to otherwise drastically misconstrue Biblical meanings, often by sophisticated forms of sophistry. Those within the latter camp often charge the former with ignorance, and or being motivated by homophobia. (Richard Hasbany, Homosexuality and Religion)

May this web page work salvation and sanctification, and may I grow in the latter, to the glory of God. Amen

Table of contents

Terms

Genesis 19

Postulations or assertions of approved homosexual relations:

Sexual morality in the Bible

Judges 19

Interpretive Foundations

Jude 1:7

Ruth and Naomi

Principal Sources

Ezekiel 16:49 and Inhospitality Texts

David and Jonathan

Genesis: the Unique Union of Man and Women

Extra Biblical historical sources

Daniel and Ashpenaz

1 Corinthians 11

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13

1 and 2 Kings

Celibacy, Polygamy, and Procreation

Leviticus Summation

Jesus, the centurion and his servant

Eunuchs and Exegesis

Sex Laws versus Slavery

Jesus and John

Proclivity and Permission Polemic (Social Justice)

Silence of Jesus Argument and Love Hermeneutic

Was Paul gay?

Conclusion

Summary

Romans 1

Only Jesus save sinners

1Corinthians 6:9 + 1 Timothy 1:10



TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bible; homosexualagenda; homosexualrelations; sodomy
In the light of the latest manifestation (i.e. Duck dynasty) of the homosexual agenda , I thought it fitting to post this extensive analysis and refutation of prohomosexual polemics, by the grace of God.

It is very lengthy, and was originally written for a conservative wiki (of varying quality), thus its style and extensive references, but its purpose was first and foremost to refute the gross manipulation of the Bible in seeking to negate its injunctions against homosex and (even) to assert sanction for the same.

The end result of which attempts and the hermeneutics employed is to effectively negate the authority of Scripture itself. Like the prostitute who would rather see the baby she claimed was hers be destroyed rather than allow the real mother to have it, (1Kg. 3) the end result of pro-homosexual polemics is that they effectively reject the authority of the very source they seek to use for their own purposes.

1 posted on 12/22/2013 2:54:06 AM PST by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212

If God was prohomosexuality why did he make two sexes....


2 posted on 12/22/2013 3:14:42 AM PST by usmcobra (Happiness is a belt fed weapon.)
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To: usmcobra
If God was prohomosexuality why did he make two sexes....

If only everyone had such common sense.

3 posted on 12/22/2013 3:28:35 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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And the ongoing deconstruction of the words of the Scriptures is only part and parcel of the whole scheme to discredit both the Old Testament and New Testament altogether, and therefore, only the Koran will be THE authoritative text.

Islam was a founded in part as a reaction to the strictures on human depravity that were described in the Bible. The Koran gave them authority to murder, rape and lay waste to their neighbors, first to convert them, then to plunder and eliminate all those who would resist accepting their version of “divinity”. The Secular Progressives have applauded and encouraged this “diversity”, as it supports their own agenda, at least temporarily. Once the infrastructure that supports the older monotheistic religions has been destroyed, the Secular Progressives will then attempt to dismantle the world of Islam.

But the Islamic Jihadists are much more fanatical than even the Secular Progressives, and far more numerous. And they are much better armed. The SP has always relied upon operating within whatever code of law that applies in the territories they seek to dominate, not to comply with the intent of the law, but to find the loopholes and take advantage of them. Shari’a law itself is so full of internal contradictions and amoral constructs, however, that it will be next to impossible to adequately twist the meaning for a way to destroy Islam, or even effect much of a change anywhere in the behavior of Muslims. The Islamic Jihadists will rally to the cause of defeating Secular Progressivism, and SP would be gone within a generation.

Some 95% of the personal woe suffered on this world is self-induced. The rest is from getting in the way of somebody else’s temper tantrum.

We are seeing a temper tantrum on massive scale. Surrendering to it is the part we play in inducing our own set of woes.


4 posted on 12/22/2013 3:32:47 AM PST by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: alloysteel
And the ongoing deconstruction of the words of the Scriptures is only part and parcel of the whole scheme to discredit both the Old Testament and New Testament altogether, and therefore, only the Koran will be THE authoritative text.

Actually, i believe it is part of the atheistic goal to eliminate the real obstacle to man being the supreme authority, for which the atrocities of Islam serve as fodder for their rant against the true and living God and His authority.

5 posted on 12/22/2013 3:56:34 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Bookmark!


6 posted on 12/22/2013 4:12:18 AM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: daniel1212

Bttt for future reading and reference.


7 posted on 12/22/2013 4:39:11 AM PST by bayliving
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To: alloysteel

The jihadists may be more fanatical than secular progressives, but they do have a match in ardent Marxists in the fanaticism department, of whom the secular progressives are just the front line to be wiped out.


8 posted on 12/22/2013 4:39:35 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: daniel1212

Homosexuals hate The Lord because He is the antithesis of their god, Satan, and He disregards all they value, which is their sexual deviance and worldly lives. Most of the people around me claim they are atheists and have not been brought up in Christ, have never gone to church, have nothing to believe in but what is in this world. Can you imagine how pathetic your existence must be if you value nothing higher than yourself, your sexual perversion, and the people around you and worship at the altar of homosexuality? No wonder so many atheists and homosexuals kill themselves!


9 posted on 12/22/2013 4:51:47 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: daniel1212

Paul’s writing in Col. 3-5 : inordinate affection and evil concupiscence. Had to look up the definition of concupiscence. Even then homosexualality was trying to invade and destroy the church.


10 posted on 12/22/2013 4:54:06 AM PST by Ponyexpress9790
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To: daniel1212
I hate the word "homosexual" and try never to use it except to denounce it. There is no sex between same-gender humans, because there can be no procreation nor propagation of the species.

At best, the activity can only produce a gratification of another human's bodily reactions to a calculated stimulation. That is not sexual.

At worst, the object is to defeat the design of the human body which ought to produce concern for others as well as progeny, with the presumed result of propagation of the species through a beneficial symbiotic association. Sex is always a heterogeneous interaction, never a homogeneous one.

Let's keep the perversion of the process at the front, and use the true names associated with it. That is not hatred, it is simply referring to the conduct with truthful terms.

11 posted on 12/22/2013 5:11:12 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: daniel1212

In order to avoid the internal discipline of God’s word the ridiculous argument is made that one can be acceptable as a Christian and a homosexual so long as one does not practice homosexual acts but Jesus’ words on what constitutes adultery puts the lie to such assertions.

Furthermore in order to justify homosexual acts these acts will be redefined as not sexual in their nature. The human ability for self deception appears endless.


12 posted on 12/22/2013 5:56:34 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: daniel1212

You’re cherry picking.

I’m no fan of homos, but live

Lev 15:19.

I dare you.


13 posted on 12/22/2013 6:31:16 AM PST by warchild9
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To: usmcobra

“If God was prohomosexuality why did he make two sexes....”

Options?


14 posted on 12/22/2013 6:33:32 AM PST by Fuzz
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To: daniel1212

I can not see that there is any thing to debate.

There is no debate about if the world is flat or not because it has been proven false.

There has never been any reason to believe that the dirty word is anything except an abomination against God because it is against nature.

This has always been known even by people who did not believe the Bible was anything but a fairy tale.


15 posted on 12/22/2013 7:25:17 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: Neoliberalnot
"for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, . . . . Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit." 1 Thess 4:1-8
16 posted on 12/22/2013 7:26:14 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: warchild9

“You’re cherry picking.”

The left cherry picks. Christians need to understand which laws are still in effect, and which Christ has fulfilled. Read Hebrews. Here is the heart of this epistle.

“(Hebrews 9:8-12) The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.”

Your Carnal ordinance is no longer in effect. The laws against sodomy still are vital.


17 posted on 12/22/2013 7:26:40 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: usmcobra
If God was prohomosexuality why did he make two sexes....

That should send libs' heads spinning. Even if they don't believe in God, the same question can be asked of evolution. No way of getting around it.

18 posted on 12/22/2013 8:34:28 AM PST by bgill
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To: usmcobra

By the LBQGAFofLCIO God made numerous sexes. But only two make for God centered families.


19 posted on 12/22/2013 9:32:32 AM PST by onedoug
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To: daniel1212

The psychologist Jung had it that the prevalence of homosexual in modern society as opposed to its occasional practice in traditional societies is owing to urbanization. In the midst of dense populations and with few norms of sexual behavior, sexual roles become confused.


20 posted on 12/22/2013 12:36:57 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: imardmd1

Homosexual acts are mutual masturbation. Their end result is orgasm, the sense of pleasure that nature give us to urge us toward reproduction. They justify their excess on the grounds that society has more children than it needs, and of course that the discipline that traditional morality place on sexuality serves no useful purpose.


21 posted on 12/22/2013 1:14:43 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: warchild9
You’re cherry picking. I’m no fan of homos, but live Lev 15:19. I dare you.

No, it is you who are cherry picking, and which type of spurious argumentation the article was written (it is obvious you neglected to read the section on Leviticus) and deals with.

Do you really think all laws are the same, that the Bible makes no covenantantal distinctions btwn laws regarding "meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation, (Hebrews 9:10) or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17) Touch not; taste not; handle not" ?(Colossians 2:21-22)

In contrast to basic purely moral laws, which are applicable to all cultures at all times, "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." (Mark 7:21-23)

There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. (Mark 7:15)

And do you also think that that the physical penalty for such is also the same?

In addition are culturally applied laws which are applicable in principal by adaptation.

The fact is that the prohibition against sodomy is part of the basic moral laws, and by abrogating that then one can also abrogated laws against any other form of fornication, from bestiality and incest to adultery, as well as child sacrifice.

That is where you argument leads to. Perhaps you are a libertarian fiscal conservative.

22 posted on 12/22/2013 2:35:24 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: RobbyS
The psychologist Jung had it that the prevalence of homosexual in modern society as opposed to its occasional practice in traditional societies is owing to urbanization. In the midst of dense populations and with few norms of sexual behavior, sexual roles become confused.

Interesting, but the Bible links it with fleshly satiation and selfishness, which does often go with urbanization.

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. (Ezekiel 16:49)

And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. (Ezekiel 16:50)

23 posted on 12/22/2013 3:08:56 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Homosexuality seems to be a “civilized” behavior. Parkman found it among the Sioux,a hunter’s society, but the few queers were forced to wear women’s dress and do the work of women, and were generally treated like women. In a pastoral society, it takes the form of bestiality. In either case, it is treated by the society as deviant behavior.
24 posted on 12/22/2013 3:24:49 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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