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To: Belteshazzar
I have never heard of E. J. Dionne Jr. but one of the statements below show that he is not seeing it from scriptural doctrine but from liberal idealism. <<>> This is what is meant by judging. Leviticus 20:13 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 2 Peter 2 1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; Christians are under a different law, they are given a chance to repent and turn to god, if you read 2 peter 1,2 and 3 again you can see who the preachers are that peter is referring to. peter 4 For the time is, that judgment should begin at the house of God. And if first at us, what shall be the end of them that believe not the gospel of God? 18 And if the just man shall scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1 Corinthians 5 1 It is absolutely heard, that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as the like is not among the heathens; that one should have his father's wife. Many preachers call this incest, they are just full of bull, it does not say the wife is his own mother, but most likely what we would call a step mother. 5 To deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. What is Paul saying? Get the S.O.B. out of the Church. 6 Your glorying is not good. Know you not that a little leaven corrupteth the whole lump? What are they glorying about? their love, and their godliness in not judging. If you have one rotten apple in a barrel it will rotten the whole barrel of apples. A preacher who is corrupting the Church needs to be gotten out of the Church. Sure a Church has no right to condemn any one to death but they do have a right to kick a member who is not doing the work out of the Church. Why don,t these dreamers who want to be part of a Church read just what it means to be a member of the Church? acts ch 5 1 through 16 will give people a hint of the seriousness of becoming a member of the Church. There is nothing about having to become a member of the Church to be saved or even to go to Church but those who became members were expected to take it very serious. 1 Tim 5 v 9 through 16 also point out what a Church member is or should be, though it is plain they were already having problems at that time.
18 posted on 12/24/2013 9:00:23 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

Don,t know what happened, i spaced everything but it did not come out spaced.


22 posted on 12/24/2013 9:21:32 AM PST by ravenwolf
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