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Card. Meisner cites Pope Francis: No Communion for divorced, remarried
WDTPRS ^ | 12/24/2013 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 12/24/2013 10:43:18 AM PST by markomalley

A reader sent the following.  Cardinal Meisner of Cologne gave an interview to Deutschlandrundfunk.

You might be interested in this interview with Cardinal Meisner:

In his third answer, he says the following (it’s my translation in English, probably very bad):

“At my last meeting with Pope Francis, I had the opportunity to talk very open to him about a lot of things. And I told him that some questions remain unanswered in his style of spreading the gospel through interviews and short speeches, questions which need some extended explanation for people who are not so involved. The pope looked at me “with big eyes” and asked me to give an example. And my response was : During the flight back from Rio you were asked about people who divorced and remarried. And the pope responded frankly: People who are divorced can receive communion, people who are remarried can’t. In the orthodox church you can marry twice. And then he talked about mercy, which, according to my view, is seen in this country only as a surrogate for all human faults. And the pope responded quite bluntly that he’s a son of the church, and he doesn’t proclaim anything else than the teachings of the church. And mercy has to be identical with truth – if not, she doesn’t deserve that name. Furthermore, when there are open theological questions, it’s up to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to give detailed responses“.

From this we can perhaps glean that Pope Francis may not be entirely aware of the havoc (¿lío?) that some of his home-spun, off-the-cuff comments in the mainstream media have caused.

It would be interesting to see His Holiness’ reaction to the story about the Catholic school kids in Seattle protesting in favor of some homosexual thing while citing the phrase “Who am I to judge.”  The same for catholic politicians in Illinois citing the same when they passed same-sex marriage.

However, Pope Francis confirmed what I have been saying all along.  He is not going to “change” the Church’s teachings (as if he could).  Divorced and remarried?  No Communion.

Furthermore, Francis stressed the role of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.  He doesn’t sound like someone who wants to “devolve” the role of the Congregation to regional conferences.


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To: markomalley

I like Francis’s style. I enjoy seeing the modernists and other leftists and satanists given hope that they have prevailed over God and the Church only to be discombobulated when they read the whole sentence instead of just taking off with the first phrase so to speak.


21 posted on 12/24/2013 1:01:44 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: markomalley

Weird religion...

Queer sex???
No problem...Help yerself...
Pedophile???
Go for it...Eat all the wafers you want...
Baby Killer???
C’mon in...We have plenty of room...Help yourself to the ‘real’ pressense...

Wife dumped you because you would not do drugs and get drunk and was abusing your kids???
So you divorced and remarried a good Christian woman???
Well shame on you, you derelict...May God forever spit in your coffee...


22 posted on 12/24/2013 1:19:05 PM PST by Iscool
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To: donmeaker
Family arranged marriages as in traditional cultures work better than love matches for longevity. For most of the young love is a rationalization for sexual craving in the male which fades, often quickly or gets transferred to other targets once the original is conquered and filed. In a traditional match love is not a a large factor. Among the Vietnamese, the case with which I am familiar, marriage ideally is a business transaction between families. Love grows gradually in a transition from understood obligation. it is propinquity- the couple getting used to each other. In reality a couple may "fall in love" and the young man will prevail on his father to make an offer to the young woman's family. Marriage begins with the new wife moving into the in-laws' home and the new wife becoming essentially a slave to MIL for a time then when MIL decides that DIL is a competent wife and home manager, usually after about a year, and MIL relaxes and begins to turn over responsibilities to DIL. This never pertained in the US because we have always been a culture centered on the individual as the basic unit of society. Most of the rest of the world has the family as the basic unit. Neolocal domicile and the minimum nuclear family also are only practical in a relatively wealthy society where a new couple is usually able to afford a new house. Even in Việt Nam that traditional arrangement is being displaced by individual matches as the country gets wealthier, at least among the university students and young employees of large companies.
23 posted on 12/24/2013 1:24:47 PM PST by ThanhPhero (Khách sang La Vang hanh huong tham vieng Maria)
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To: Just mythoughts

I seem to see in verses shortly following it forgiveness, for G-d will not remain angry forever.

Jeremiah 3:18

“In those days the people of Judah will join the people of Israel, and together they will come from a northern land to the land I gave your ancestors as an inheritance.”


24 posted on 12/24/2013 1:31:49 PM PST by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar will soon be relearned.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“Anyone opposed to divorce is welcome to spend a week with my ex-wife and then get back to me.

What did she do, post an excerpt from her blog?

; )”

lol good one


25 posted on 12/24/2013 1:38:07 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: donmeaker

Yes, forgiveness after repentance. We are not there yet.


26 posted on 12/24/2013 2:02:39 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

I submit that the reestablishment of Israel is evidence, if needed, that there has been repentence.

I have been told that the reestablishment of Israel was a divine miracle, in response to divine prophecy.

Now it might not be, but that is the tough thing about prophecy: if you write it down after it comes true, then it is less convincing. If you write it down before it comes true, and people work because of that to make it true, then it is less convincing.

To be really convincing you need to have a double blind: You have to make the prediction in the dark, then independently make the measurement. Like Schrodinger’s cat.


27 posted on 12/24/2013 2:32:38 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: Iscool

You’re weird.


28 posted on 12/24/2013 8:27:57 PM PST by RPTMS
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To: humblegunner

please send pictures first!!!!


29 posted on 12/24/2013 10:14:19 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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