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To: Lakeshark

“...pay the church for an annulment “
This reply is not to defend the pope in the subject critical content, but to address your comment. You perhaps do not understand the definition of “annulment”. An annulment doesn’t allow people to remarry. All it does is make official record that a discovery has been made that a marriage between the two concerned parties never legitimately took place. (This is consistent with Jesus’ words that (paraphrased) “What God has joined let no man divide.”) And until a serious investigation is made, which can require numerous resources, such discovery is not possible, and the Church therefor assumes that the marriage truly exists based upon prior readily observed evidence.
(Just as a defendant doesn’t buy justice from his lawyer, neither does one buy an annulment; they must however pay for services toward discovery. More can be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Thanks for your interest in these matters!


13 posted on 12/26/2013 9:52:11 AM PST by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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To: Repent and Believe
All it does is make official record that a discovery has been made that a marriage between the two concerned parties never legitimately took place. (This is consistent with Jesus’ words that (paraphrased) “What God has joined let no man divide.”) And until a serious investigation is made, which can require numerous resources, such discovery is not possible, and the Church therefor assumes that the marriage truly exists based upon prior readily observed evidence.

So then there are tons of marriages out there that are illegitimate...Just not recognized by anyone, even the particpants...Married people living and reproducing in sin , sanctioned by your religion but don't know the difference

You can't pervert and bend and twist the scriptures enough to justify 'Catholic anullment'...

14 posted on 12/26/2013 10:11:42 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Repent and Believe; Lakeshark

I really appreciate your reply to LS, in your better explanation of the word “annulment”.

An applicant’s cash exchange has nothing to do with the outcome itself. The cash simply funds the investigation of the matter, which is no small undertaking given the time and resources and manpower engaged.

The “trimmings” involved in a beautiful wedding with a pastor and the civil pledges exchanged usually make a marriage legitimate in civil society, but it is different in the Catholic Church. While the trimmings and pledges between two people meet the requirements of civil law there is more required to meet the requirements of a sacrament in the Church. The “trimmings” have never entirely defined a Sacrament.

Rather, in the Catholic Church, it is accepted properly only as the Holy Sacrament of Matrimony, with additional and altogether unique characteristics from a civil “marriage ceremony”.

This confuses anyone unfamiliar with the CCC.

Thanks,
Rita


17 posted on 12/26/2013 10:47:40 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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