Skip to comments.Why there will be war
Posted on 12/27/2013 7:54:53 PM PST by ReformationFan
As the Left foams at the mouth over Phil Robertson, the Christian man who described Almighty God's take on homosexuality and other gross sins, their fear is becoming more and more apparent. They seem gradually to be realizing that they are a pernicious minority that only thrives because they are bolstered by Obama's morally corrupt federal government; intellectually lightweight media, devoid of principles; and interestingly, a general decency of American people influenced by the nation's Judeo-Christian roots. The masses, however, are becoming increasingly fed up with the Left's imposition of a twisted worldview that does not comport with anything resembling America as it was founded, and they are voicing that sentiment by the thousands. So far, the pushback is with protests and petitions against amoral multi-million-dollar corporations, such as Cracker Barrel and A&E. Such benign acts of self-preservation will not continue indefinitely.
If it were not so pathetic, it would be laughable that some leftists actually think that they can dictate to those of us who oppose their worldview how we should say things that offend them. I refer here to the Fox News commentator Greta Van Susteren's question to former governor Sarah Palin on a recent "On the Record" show. She asked Palin if it would not have been better if Mr. Robertson had said what he said differently. That attitude, which is shared by others of Ms. Van Susteren's leftist cohorts on Fox and throughout the culture, is insufferably hubristic. We, who oppose their worldview, must now speak our opposition only in ways that they approve.
It is also interesting that those who oppose biblical Christianity (and a few who claim that they do not oppose it) have trotted out their list of affirmed homosexuals who proclaim Phil Robertson's right to "his opinion." To any but the scripturally ignorant, Robertson's statements are not "his opinion." He did not inspire the writing of the scriptures that condemn homosexuality; God did. In paraphrasing Scripture, Robertson did not compare homosexuality to bestiality; God did. Robertson's "opinion" is only that he chooses to accept God's directives. What homosexuals and the rest of the Left fail to comprehend is that their ultimate fight is with God, not believing Christians. We just happen to be visible objects to which wrath can be directed.
In a recent airing of the "Sean Hannity" show on Fox Cable News, Hannity hosted two Catholic priests and a female Fox religion commentator to discuss the Robertson issue. This show inadvertently shed light on the division in the Christian church between those who will follow God's directives and those who choose not to.
Of the two priests, one (also a Fox commentator) was clearly of a leftist bent. He tried to make the case that homosexuality is not sin if it is not acted upon. That twisted logic is employed by many proclaimed Christians grappling with how to accept homosexuality for personal reasons in light of God's condemnation of it. The second priest (obviously biblically directed) immediately followed with the biblical truth that the inclination to homosexuality itself is condemned by God. He compared the inclination to that of Hannity's lusting after a female, if he chose to do so. Pope Benedict XVI, who preceded the current Pontiff, described homosexuality as a "disordered orientation," allowing for the fact that the behavior can be "ordered" if the homosexual chooses to seek help, obviously from God and, if necessary, from medical professionals.
A moment of deafening silence ensued between the two priests, with a disapproving look from the leftist. He seemed perturbed at having been countered by the other priest. There was no nodding of the head in agreement. It turns out that the priest with the leftist view of Scripture has a homosexual sister in a "union" with another woman.
Frank Camp, a commentator posting at the Last Resistance blog site (12/23/2013), states that the latest strike by the Left against Christians (in the person of Phil Robertson) is a defining moment in time. He predicts, and I agree, that this moment is only one of many coming in the near future as the agenda of the Left becomes more and more hostile toward "average American values." He describes the current circumstances as what happens when Americans get angry and do something about it. As does Mr. Camp, I think there is a power embodied in righteously indignant anger that can take down any foe. That foe, in our time, comprises the Left (in all its manifestations, particularly its defiance against Almighty God); elitists, those in power and those claiming power that they do not deserve (such as Democrats, establishment Republicans, and the media including the Fox News cadre of liberals and faux-conservatives); and other anti-God, anti-American forces that have long sought America's destruction from within. I truly hope that Phil Robertson has started a different movement, one that is not political but expressive of patriotic America saying "Enough."
Before this nation's founding, a group of pilgrims were able to escape the repression of the Church of England by seeking safe haven in a new territory. There are no more new worlds. There is nowhere else to run, and there will be no coming together in peaceful coexistence. The reason is that Christians are being required to do what we will not and cannot do defy God for the sake of a corrupt, rotting culture. And not all Christians will passively bow to force.
This space called America cannot be concurrently occupied by the existing opposing worldviews. How this tragedy that is the destruction of America will play out remains to be seen, but I predict that it will not end peacefully.
Why there will be war
Thompson’s articles are always to the point. Good read.
“In a recent airing of the “Sean Hannity” show on Fox Cable News, Hannity hosted two Catholic priests and a female Fox religion commentator to discuss the Robertson issue.”
Anyone know the names of the two priests in question? I ask because I would like to see the video. The author of the article does not seem to actually know what the full teaching on homosexuality is according to the Catholic faith.
Yeah, looks I was right. The author of the article doesn’t know the full teaching. Here is what is stated elsewhere:
Hannity asked if pre-marital sex, drunkenness, and other things mentioned by Robertson are sins. Morris and Murray said yes. Hannity asked if homosexuality is a sin. Morris said that while homosexuality isn’t a sin, homosexual acts are sinful. Hannity wanted to know what the difference is. When Morris discussed how “inclination” towards sin isn’t sinful, Hannity asked about if “lusting in your heart” is adultery. Morris claimed that Robertson made that distinction. Murray chimed in with the official Catholic position that homosexuality is “a disordered inclination” which should be resisted.
Read more at http://www.newshounds.us/20131223_hannity_defends_phil_robertson_because_homosexuality_is_a_sin_right#AIRJEUxovxshUuLl.99
The war starts the minute the EBT cards quit working.
I’m concerned about the attitudes of the Millennials and younger who view this issue as a civil right rather than spiritual. I found this out recently talking to my early 20’s grandson who was raised in a Christian home. They have been emotionalized to the point of being selectively brainwashed and influenced. The author ignores this demographic.
People are used to going along to get along, there won't be a war.
There will be blood.
Yes, the brainwashing often seems irreversible, but I find an even worse and more moronic trend in young people. They don’t think of it as a civil right, but a human right! Clearly kids these days no more know what the word ‘right’ means than they know what ‘tolerance’ means.
Of course, I only work on God-given rights. Anything made up by man is ultimately fleeting and easily revocable.
That's a war that won't last very long.
One side doesn't even know how to support itself in an advanced industrial country, the largest consumer market in the world.
The other side will have proven expertise in many areas of activity.
Does not the Bible regard homosexuality an abomination to God?
War -OR- Tyranny....?
Your Choice!... it will be one or the other..
The word “right” has been confused by this generation with the word “want”. If they “want” something then clearly it’s a “right” like marriage redefinition or “free” healthcare, housing, food, clothes, etc.
They basically believe in a “right” to happiness rather than a right to pursue happiness.
I’m sorry to read that. It’s another reason I’m glad I don’t have any children. With all the cultural brainwashing and the whole “everbody’s jumping off a cliff! I better do so too because everybody else is doing it!” type groupthink I see among the young, it would be especially painful to see a descendant of mine doing so.
After being forced to fund government NEA money for public display of photographs of a crucifix in a bucket of urine, methinks Joe Public is just a bit hardened to the idea that he must be "inoffensive" to whatever shifting and subjective standard he is expected to defer.
After a failed attempt with a lady with kids and seeing how hopeless it was to stem the flow of garbage they were exposed to, I realized that raising kids in this age was not for me.
That was over twenty years ago as well, far worse now.
I know others have done and do it. But homeschooling and all the rest were beyond my capability while going to college at night after work all day back then. By the time I was through that, I was burned out.
Suspect that your shot at having a family at having kids and raising them only has one sweet spot in your life. If lucky, you are ready for it.
The man has no concept for Christ's teaching:
Yeshua not only did not dispense with the Mosaic Law, He raised the standards of obedience.
I saw that Hannity show and my first thought was that the author got what was said wrong.
>> Does not the Bible regard homosexuality an abomination to God?
Over and over and over again — starting in Genesis and ending in The Revelation.
Two words: public schools.
Your grandson is proof positive that the leftist indoctrination forced upon school children is effective enough to undo all of the careful home education and moral teaching of parents, grandparents, and pastors.
There are other contributing forces, but those in the public schools are by far, the most powerful, and should be avoided by decent patriots at all costs.
Revolt is coming.
Yes, this has been posted before.
Please post it again, and again, and again! Until EVERYONE has read it.
It’s not an easy read — but it’s an extremely profitable read.
Thanks to both of you for introducing me to this wonderful author. She completely nails all the critical issues that Christian conservatives grapple with.
Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Is an alcoholic who never touches alcohol a sinner simply because he is an alcoholic?
There are such things as sinful thoughts. We’re fallen, all of us, we’re incapable of not sinning.
Not so sure the “masses” of Americans any longer stand for morality. If amnesty passes, the moral will be a permanent minority, doomed to persecution.
The first priest's point seemed to be that it is not sinful to be tempted. As a married father, I can be tempted to commit adultery, but so long as I do not give in to that temptation or encourage it, but rather resist it, I have not sinned. The same is true for someone who, for whatever reason (often due to childhood sexual abuse) suffers from homosexual attraction, but through prayer and devotion successfully resists those attractions, and seeks healing from such attractions.
The second priest was referring to Church teaching, which rightly considers homosexual attraction to be "disordered," i.e., homosexual attraction is contrary to the Divine plan for humankind. Once again, if those attractions are not acted upon, no sin has been committed. However, those with homosexual attractions should make every effort to seek healing from such attractions and the development of godly heterosexual attraction.
Full disclosure: I did my Ph.D. - from a Jesuit university - on this subject from a biblical perspective. BTW I am not Catholic but have a deep respect for the Church.
Postscript: I neglected to make clear that there is a difference between being tempted and lusting. As taught by our Lord, if someone “lusts in their heart” they have already committed sin. However, it is not a sin to be tempted to sin. One must embrace the temptation and act upon it - either by lusting or actually committing the act.
I thought I might add a folksy metaphor I read somewhere that helps distinguish between having an attraction and lusting: A temptation is like a spark that lands on your jacket sleeve. If you immediately brush it off, no harm is done. If you don’t, it burns a hole in your sleeve and has done some damage.
Might have been Robert Schilling or a similar writer.
Nah, don’t give up. We need conservative parents who will do the task of carrying the country. Ask the many Freeper parents here.
Me, on the other hand. I’m still young and don’t have any reason to get married.
The time of tolerating the intolerable is almost past. To every time there is a season.
Sending your kids to leftist indoctrination camps run by perverted communist scumbags (public skools) is a form of child abuse.
If you can swing the cost, send them to Judeo Christian run schools or if not home school them.
Its way past time for the right to declare war on public schools
We often forget how horrific the scene was back then. Please read Robert Bork's Slouching Toward Gomorrah for a front row seat to the demonic debacle. That culture has only become ensconced in places of power in the ensuing decades.
No changes are permanent, only change is.
When their lives will be ruined by Obama, where else are they going to turn? Some for a free handout in anger that wont come through and others to better things for the after life and into future generations.
....Or having to revolt back.
Thankfully it will not last.
I think you’re missing the point. The Church condemns homosexuality as a disorder. It does not believe that a fleeting homosexual desire is sinful on the part of the person, however, because it proceeds from a disorder which he (or she) does not control. To act on, or to nourish, that desire IS SINFUL, however. The Church applies the same principle to heterosexuals. If a normal, healthy man has a fleeting thought pass through his mind about how attractive he finds his best friend’s wife that can be problematic but not inherently sinful. When he dwells on it to the point of lust or inordinate desire, then it is sinful.
By the way, I should point out that the Church - relying on scripture - lists the “sin of Sodom” as one of the sins which cries out to heaven for vengeance. http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/articles.cfm?id=29
Well said and so true.
Now Greta's an @$$#01e?
Pffft. Lost me right there.
You are equating the indiscriminate lust of a single person to that of a married person lusting after someone else, which is adulterous.
doesn't being a heterosexual mean that you automatically lust after women (and therefore sin)?
Not when one cleaves to one's wife. The Torah teaches one to seek a wife and remain loyal to her, only. It also teaches not to engage in homosexuality. Christ's point in that teaching of which I quoted only part was that to remain focused in one's mind on anything forbidden by Torah was equivalent to committing the sin, anger to murder, lust with adultery. The point is obvious, so you had to take it out of context to attack it, which is specious.
Is an alcoholic who never touches alcohol a sinner simply because he is an alcoholic?
By Christ's teaching, while the alcoholic remains craving in his mind he is in sin. It may not be as bad as committing the act, but it is damaging nevertheless, which is indisputable. To focus upon evil even when not committing it is not doing something positive for the glory of the Lord, which is 'falling short,' or 'missing the mark.' Those latter two metaphors are from the fact that "sin" is a Semitic archery term describing an arrow that misses its target. The thought is therefore sinful.
Yet when the sinner turns back to Him (the teshuva of Noach), G_d forgives, His atonement covers the sinner, and He cleanses the sin. That's the pattern taught in Genesis 6-9.
>>>The word right has been confused by this generation with the word want. <<<
“Right” used to mean something the government could not take from you. (Starting at least as far back as FDR) libs now take it to mean something the government must give you.
The conflation is easily recognized in the equation that is the "Four Freedoms."
Very simple question:
What do these biblical quotes have in common:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (NIV).
“Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”
“If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” (NIV)
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” (NIV
The answer is that they all require an action to rise to the level of sin. Why, for example, did God not just leave it very simply at ‘nor homosexuals or thieves’? Why add the word offender? Why say men must ‘lie’ with other men or ‘commit’ indecent acts?
Rather than insult me, please educate me with a specific answer.
God chose the word ‘offender’ because...
God said ‘lie with’ because...
God said ‘commit acts’ because...
God DID NOT simply leave it at being a homosexual because...
It's so open-ended!
Anything could happen.
Fr Jonathon Morris would be the usual suspect priest with a faint lisp and the lesbian sister.
Fr Gerald Murray is the other.
I saw it, but yes the *article* seems to do disservice to catholic teaching.
With the exception of one semester our eldest spent in kindergarten, we've home schooled ours since day one. When I watch the kids of friends and family, I know we made the right choice.
The crimes you list are statutes, not determinants of sin, which is a broader distinction. They do not address covetousness, the original thought-crime on G_d's top ten list.
This Has all been predicted,Christ said he was persecuted,we. Christians are and will be persecuted as well.
There will be wars and rumors of wars,let not your heart be troubled,for all these things must come to pass,fear not,for I am with you always,even until the end of time