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Why there will be war
Renew America ^ | 12-27-13 | Sylvia Thompson

Posted on 12/27/2013 7:54:53 PM PST by ReformationFan

As the Left foams at the mouth over Phil Robertson, the Christian man who described Almighty God's take on homosexuality and other gross sins, their fear is becoming more and more apparent. They seem gradually to be realizing that they are a pernicious minority that only thrives because they are bolstered by Obama's morally corrupt federal government; intellectually lightweight media, devoid of principles; and interestingly, a general decency of American people influenced by the nation's Judeo-Christian roots. The masses, however, are becoming increasingly fed up with the Left's imposition of a twisted worldview that does not comport with anything resembling America as it was founded, and they are voicing that sentiment by the thousands. So far, the pushback is with protests and petitions against amoral multi-million-dollar corporations, such as Cracker Barrel and A&E. Such benign acts of self-preservation will not continue indefinitely.

If it were not so pathetic, it would be laughable that some leftists actually think that they can dictate to those of us who oppose their worldview how we should say things that offend them. I refer here to the Fox News commentator Greta Van Susteren's question to former governor Sarah Palin on a recent "On the Record" show. She asked Palin if it would not have been better if Mr. Robertson had said what he said differently. That attitude, which is shared by others of Ms. Van Susteren's leftist cohorts on Fox and throughout the culture, is insufferably hubristic. We, who oppose their worldview, must now speak our opposition only in ways that they approve.

It is also interesting that those who oppose biblical Christianity (and a few who claim that they do not oppose it) have trotted out their list of affirmed homosexuals who proclaim Phil Robertson's right to "his opinion." To any but the scripturally ignorant, Robertson's statements are not "his opinion." He did not inspire the writing of the scriptures that condemn homosexuality; God did. In paraphrasing Scripture, Robertson did not compare homosexuality to bestiality; God did. Robertson's "opinion" is only that he chooses to accept God's directives. What homosexuals and the rest of the Left fail to comprehend is that their ultimate fight is with God, not believing Christians. We just happen to be visible objects to which wrath can be directed.

In a recent airing of the "Sean Hannity" show on Fox Cable News, Hannity hosted two Catholic priests and a female Fox religion commentator to discuss the Robertson issue. This show inadvertently shed light on the division in the Christian church between those who will follow God's directives and those who choose not to.

Of the two priests, one (also a Fox commentator) was clearly of a leftist bent. He tried to make the case that homosexuality is not sin if it is not acted upon. That twisted logic is employed by many proclaimed Christians grappling with how to accept homosexuality for personal reasons in light of God's condemnation of it. The second priest (obviously biblically directed) immediately followed with the biblical truth that the inclination to homosexuality itself is condemned by God. He compared the inclination to that of Hannity's lusting after a female, if he chose to do so. Pope Benedict XVI, who preceded the current Pontiff, described homosexuality as a "disordered orientation," allowing for the fact that the behavior can be "ordered" if the homosexual chooses to seek help, obviously from God and, if necessary, from medical professionals.

A moment of deafening silence ensued between the two priests, with a disapproving look from the leftist. He seemed perturbed at having been countered by the other priest. There was no nodding of the head in agreement. It turns out that the priest with the leftist view of Scripture has a homosexual sister in a "union" with another woman.

Frank Camp, a commentator posting at the Last Resistance blog site (12/23/2013), states that the latest strike by the Left against Christians (in the person of Phil Robertson) is a defining moment in time. He predicts, and I agree, that this moment is only one of many coming in the near future as the agenda of the Left becomes more and more hostile toward "average American values." He describes the current circumstances as what happens when Americans get angry and do something about it. As does Mr. Camp, I think there is a power embodied in righteously indignant anger that can take down any foe. That foe, in our time, comprises the Left (in all its manifestations, particularly its defiance against Almighty God); elitists, those in power and those claiming power that they do not deserve (such as Democrats, establishment Republicans, and the media – including the Fox News cadre of liberals and faux-conservatives); and other anti-God, anti-American forces that have long sought America's destruction from within. I truly hope that Phil Robertson has started a different movement, one that is not political but expressive of patriotic America saying "Enough."

Before this nation's founding, a group of pilgrims were able to escape the repression of the Church of England by seeking safe haven in a new territory. There are no more new worlds. There is nowhere else to run, and there will be no coming together in peaceful coexistence. The reason is that Christians are being required to do what we will not and cannot do – defy God for the sake of a corrupt, rotting culture. And not all Christians will passively bow to force.

This space called America cannot be concurrently occupied by the existing opposing worldviews. How this tragedy that is the destruction of America will play out remains to be seen, but I predict that it will not end peacefully.


TOPICS: Catholic; Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: culturalwar; duckdynasty; foxnews; frankcamp; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; leftists; pilgrims; religiousfreedom; religiousliberty; sylviathompson; thompson; war
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To: ReformationFan

Revolt is coming.


21 posted on 12/27/2013 9:57:14 PM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; ReformationFan; All

Yes, this has been posted before.

Please post it again, and again, and again! Until EVERYONE has read it.

It’s not an easy read — but it’s an extremely profitable read.

Thanks to both of you for introducing me to this wonderful author. She completely nails all the critical issues that Christian conservatives grapple with.

FRegards


22 posted on 12/27/2013 9:58:33 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Carry_Okie
The man has no concept for Christ's teaching:

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Using your misguided logic heterosexuality is also sin. If being a homosexual implies that you automatically lust after men (and therefore sin), doesn't being a heterosexual mean that you automatically lust after women (and therefore sin)?

Is an alcoholic who never touches alcohol a sinner simply because he is an alcoholic?

23 posted on 12/27/2013 10:05:16 PM PST by bramps (Mark Levin: Would Christie, McConnell, and Boehner repeal obamacare? Not a chance!)
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To: bramps

There are such things as sinful thoughts. We’re fallen, all of us, we’re incapable of not sinning.


24 posted on 12/27/2013 10:09:53 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ReformationFan

Not so sure the “masses” of Americans any longer stand for morality. If amnesty passes, the moral will be a permanent minority, doomed to persecution.


25 posted on 12/27/2013 10:32:58 PM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: ReformationFan
Not having seen the tape, it appears that the priests were making separate points that complemented rather than contradicted that of the other.

The first priest's point seemed to be that it is not sinful to be tempted. As a married father, I can be tempted to commit adultery, but so long as I do not give in to that temptation or encourage it, but rather resist it, I have not sinned. The same is true for someone who, for whatever reason (often due to childhood sexual abuse) suffers from homosexual attraction, but through prayer and devotion successfully resists those attractions, and seeks healing from such attractions.

The second priest was referring to Church teaching, which rightly considers homosexual attraction to be "disordered," i.e., homosexual attraction is contrary to the Divine plan for humankind. Once again, if those attractions are not acted upon, no sin has been committed. However, those with homosexual attractions should make every effort to seek healing from such attractions and the development of godly heterosexual attraction.

Full disclosure: I did my Ph.D. - from a Jesuit university - on this subject from a biblical perspective. BTW I am not Catholic but have a deep respect for the Church.

26 posted on 12/27/2013 10:48:14 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: tjd1454

Postscript: I neglected to make clear that there is a difference between being tempted and lusting. As taught by our Lord, if someone “lusts in their heart” they have already committed sin. However, it is not a sin to be tempted to sin. One must embrace the temptation and act upon it - either by lusting or actually committing the act.


27 posted on 12/27/2013 10:57:03 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: ReformationFan

I thought I might add a folksy metaphor I read somewhere that helps distinguish between having an attraction and lusting: A temptation is like a spark that lands on your jacket sleeve. If you immediately brush it off, no harm is done. If you don’t, it burns a hole in your sleeve and has done some damage.

Might have been Robert Schilling or a similar writer.


28 posted on 12/27/2013 11:14:23 PM PST by firebrand
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To: ReformationFan

Nah, don’t give up. We need conservative parents who will do the task of carrying the country. Ask the many Freeper parents here.

Me, on the other hand. I’m still young and don’t have any reason to get married.


29 posted on 12/28/2013 1:12:41 AM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The time of tolerating the intolerable is almost past. To every time there is a season.


30 posted on 12/28/2013 1:18:21 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Windflier

Sending your kids to leftist indoctrination camps run by perverted communist scumbags (public skools) is a form of child abuse.

If you can swing the cost, send them to Judeo Christian run schools or if not home school them.

Its way past time for the right to declare war on public schools


31 posted on 12/28/2013 1:34:58 AM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: ReformationFan
With respect to the author's points, the WAR was waged in the 1960's and we lost like cowards. This was the initial, open push by the Left to remake American society, when, first, mainstream academia, and then the culture acquiesced to the onslaught. Now, even supposed conservatives adopt the worldview of the left established in that era, as we wink at co-habitation, devour the obscene music and entertainment spawned in that decade, and then shrug our shoulders at the fallout.

We often forget how horrific the scene was back then. Please read Robert Bork's Slouching Toward Gomorrah for a front row seat to the demonic debacle. That culture has only become ensconced in places of power in the ensuing decades.

32 posted on 12/28/2013 1:49:27 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

No changes are permanent, only change is.


33 posted on 12/28/2013 1:56:54 AM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: bigfootbob

When their lives will be ruined by Obama, where else are they going to turn? Some for a free handout in anger that wont come through and others to better things for the after life and into future generations.


34 posted on 12/28/2013 3:43:37 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: stinkerpot65

....Or having to revolt back.


35 posted on 12/28/2013 3:50:16 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: fwdude

Thankfully it will not last.


36 posted on 12/28/2013 4:29:43 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Paulie

I think you’re missing the point. The Church condemns homosexuality as a disorder. It does not believe that a fleeting homosexual desire is sinful on the part of the person, however, because it proceeds from a disorder which he (or she) does not control. To act on, or to nourish, that desire IS SINFUL, however. The Church applies the same principle to heterosexuals. If a normal, healthy man has a fleeting thought pass through his mind about how attractive he finds his best friend’s wife that can be problematic but not inherently sinful. When he dwells on it to the point of lust or inordinate desire, then it is sinful.


37 posted on 12/28/2013 4:48:06 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: Paulie

By the way, I should point out that the Church - relying on scripture - lists the “sin of Sodom” as one of the sins which cries out to heaven for vengeance. http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/articles.cfm?id=29


38 posted on 12/28/2013 4:50:08 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: fwdude

Well said and so true.


39 posted on 12/28/2013 5:59:19 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let the lying lips be dumb, which speak insolently against the righteous in pride and contempt.--Ps3)
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To: ReformationFan
" I refer here to the Fox News commentator Greta Van Susteren's question to former governor Sarah Palin on a recent "On the Record" show. She asked Palin if it would not have been better if Mr. Robertson had said what he said differently. That attitude, which is shared by others of Ms. Van Susteren's leftist cohorts on Fox and throughout the culture, is insufferably hubristic. We, who oppose their worldview, must now speak our opposition only in ways that they approve. "

Now Greta's an @$$#01e?

Pffft. Lost me right there.

40 posted on 12/28/2013 6:04:33 AM PST by OKSooner ("Like, cosmic, man.")
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