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Angels and Demons (rise of Pentecostalism in Africa leads to witch hunts, HIV/AIDS
FP ^ | December 20, 2013 | Jill Filipovic

Posted on 12/29/2013 10:03:05 AM PST by NYer

Edited on 12/29/2013 11:47:41 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

LILONGWE, Malawi Every day when he goes out to play with the other boys in his village, four-year-old Blessings carries with him a dark secret. Four months ago, after Blessings got into a quarrel with a neighbor, his pastor at one of Malawi's many recently established Pentecostal churches told his family that the boy had been bewitched. After participating in what believers call a "deliverance" ceremony and being anointed with holy water -- a service in exchange for which many congregants are encouraged to make a donation -- he was pronounced cured. For the rest of his life, however, he will live in fear that others will learn of his brush with the supernatural.


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1 posted on 12/29/2013 10:03:05 AM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
Signs of child bewitchment, according to Mulinde, the pastor from True Faith Revival Church, include disrespectful behavior toward elders and falling asleep at school. - snip - The deliverance ceremonies designed to bring children out from under the spell of witchcraft can be traumatic and even dangerous. According to Mulinde, the patient often becomes violent and vomits. At one such ceremony in Cameroon earlier this year, a 9-year-old girl died as the pastor attempted to cast out evil spirits.

FYI ping!

2 posted on 12/29/2013 10:04:40 AM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

Lots of Africans believe in magic and witchcraft. It doesn’t matter if their religion is officially called Christianity, Islam, or “native beliefs”.


3 posted on 12/29/2013 10:14:18 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: NYer; zot; Salvation

I will read the entire original article before I comment. However, baptism is a form of exorcism. I know a couple of people who stated after their baptism, that they had felt that “something” had departed from them during their baptism. And they sensed a better internal feeling.


4 posted on 12/29/2013 10:14:39 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NYer

I’m curious as to why this particular story regarding fears of witchcraft among African Pentecostals piques the interest of our FR Catholic contingent.

It’s not as if there aren’t many, many examples of similar tales from Catholic areas in third world countries. It’s not as if fears of witchcraft and exorcisms are not also Catholic.

So, maybe you can enlighten me.


5 posted on 12/29/2013 10:24:38 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: NYer

I am no fan of Pentecostalism, but is a reach even for you. Isn’t Rome deeply involved in exorcisms and demonic “warfare”? What is your point?


6 posted on 12/29/2013 10:25:58 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: NYer
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7 posted on 12/29/2013 10:34:14 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: NYer

8 posted on 12/29/2013 10:38:57 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: NYer

This is not uncommon wherever missionaries come in contact with pagan peoples. Some get just enough exposure to Christianity that the blend parts of Christianity in with their own preexisting belief system.


9 posted on 12/29/2013 10:39:23 AM PST by fso301
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To: NYer

The power of Christ is strong in Africa these days. Much stronger than it is in the USA and Europe. If he is giving them the power to drive out evil spirits, then we should pray for the same right here.

The folly of calling evil a mental illness proves itself out with every mass shooting.


10 posted on 12/29/2013 11:26:55 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: ETL

"Hello everybody!"


11 posted on 12/29/2013 11:29:08 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: NYer

Pentecostals using ‘holy water’?

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Nah.


12 posted on 12/29/2013 11:33:44 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: NYer

It’s cold as a witch’s hund out there.


13 posted on 12/29/2013 11:44:47 AM PST by familyop
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To: NYer

What’s a Witch hund? A German hound?


14 posted on 12/29/2013 11:51:09 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: NYer
It takes a great deal of diagnosing in America to deem someone possessed. To grab some kid out of a classroom because he's yawning, and then force him into a deliverance ceremony, is evil in and of itself. Some sick stuff, but later on in the article, comes the answer:
In many cases, healing and witchcraft-cleansing ceremonies are not free -- in Kenya, for example, Pentecostal congregants have reportedly been asked to shell out their life savings in exchange for healing services....

15 posted on 12/29/2013 11:51:56 AM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: roamer_1

No olive oil, but plenty of water.


16 posted on 12/29/2013 11:57:21 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: NYer

Sounds like liberal left FoggyBottom head propaganda.

Anything that competes with the spread of Islam in Africa is to be demonized.

Why do people here at FR promote this?


17 posted on 12/29/2013 12:00:50 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: NYer

I think you hit a nerve with this thread. The bigots are squirming.


18 posted on 12/29/2013 12:21:19 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: NYer

nonsense, of course.

The idea of spirit possession and witchcraft is part of the indigenous religious practices, and was not introduced by pentecostalism.

Traditionally, those labled witches were killed...now the pastors just do a “deliverance” ceremony. So I guess things are getting better.


19 posted on 12/29/2013 12:43:40 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Dutchboy88; NYer; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; ...
I’m curious as to why this particular story regarding fears of witchcraft among African Pentecostals piques the interest of our FR Catholic contingent. It’s not as if there aren’t many, many examples of similar tales from Catholic areas in third world countries. It’s not as if fears of witchcraft and exorcisms are not also Catholic.

NYers post is rather transparent as being a response to another expose of the liberal nature of Rome from the Vanishing Catholics thread.

But while Africa abounds with aberrations, Rome has a historical history of religious syncretism,, and thus another attempt to promote Rome will result in its own lack of clothes being exposed.

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20 posted on 12/29/2013 12:48:07 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Dutchboy88
I am no fan of Pentecostalism, but is a reach even for you. Isn’t Rome deeply involved in exorcisms and demonic “warfare”? What is your point?

See above. They must protect their idol.

21 posted on 12/29/2013 12:48:44 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ifinnegan
Sounds like liberal left FoggyBottom head propaganda. Anything that competes with the spread of Islam in Africa is to be demonized. Why do people here at FR promote this?

Because in the interest of the incessant promotion of elitist Rome and the fantasy of it here, it a diversion attention away from those who exposes its nature.

22 posted on 12/29/2013 12:51:46 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: GreyFriar

I read the entire article. This is why, when Jesus sent his disciples out to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers and cast out demons, he added; “You received without paying, give without pay.” (Matthew 10:8)


23 posted on 12/29/2013 12:52:21 PM PST by zot
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To: NYer

I wouldn’t rule out demonic stuff going on. I think I’d like to see more done, for example, to distinguish four-year-old boys who are cutting up because they’re possessed from four-year-old boys who are cutting up because they’re four-year-old boys. Having been young once, I realize it can be hard to tell the difference. Which is all the more reason why it needs to be done.


24 posted on 12/29/2013 12:53:29 PM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: RegulatorCountry
I’m curious as to why this particular story regarding fears of witchcraft among African Pentecostals piques the interest of our FR Catholic contingent.

It’s not as if there aren’t many, many examples of similar tales from Catholic areas in third world countries. It’s not as if fears of witchcraft and exorcisms are not also Catholic.

Four months ago, after Blessings got into a quarrel with a neighbor, his pastor at one of Malawi's many recently established Pentecostal churches told his family that the boy had been bewitched. After participating in what believers call a "deliverance" ceremony and being anointed with holy water -- a service in exchange for which many congregants are encouraged to make a donation -- he was pronounced cured.

There is a charismatic Catholic contingent and since non-Catholics are not know for the use of holy water, but rather Catholics are, then it is reasonable to conclude that this is Catholic charismatic stuff going on.

It also fits the MO of Catholicism expecting donations, as was the case with indulgences, for example.

25 posted on 12/29/2013 1:22:06 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: daniel1212
NYers post is rather transparent as being a response to another expose of the liberal nature of Rome from the Vanishing Catholics thread.

Lol ... it's just a post ... period. Nothing more, nothing less. No need to psychoanalyze why it was posted. Just enjoy it!

26 posted on 12/29/2013 1:49:45 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: vladimir998

; - )

Merry Christmas!

27 posted on 12/29/2013 2:05:20 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: zot

Zot - Thank you. Jesus’s marching order for all of us.

Nyer & Salvation, this is what Zot posted to me:

I read the entire article. This is why, when Jesus sent his disciples out to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers and cast out demons, he added; “You received without paying, give without pay.” (Matthew 10:8)


28 posted on 12/29/2013 3:40:10 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: fso301

Not just Pentecostalism. This is why, when Jesus sent his disciples out to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers and cast out demons, he added; “You received without paying, give without pay.” (Matthew 10:8)


29 posted on 12/29/2013 3:42:11 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Dutchboy88; roamer_1; ifinnegan; vladimir998

I read the entire article. This is why, when Jesus sent his disciples out to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers and cast out demons, he added; “You received without paying, give without pay.” (Matthew 10:8)

Also, the baptismal water can be consider holy water. The point of baptism is washing away all that is detrimental.


30 posted on 12/29/2013 3:49:58 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
I'll SEE yer demon and raise you a Personage!



31 posted on 12/29/2013 5:28:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Dutchboy88; daniel1212; Gamecock; metmom
I’m curious as to why this particular story regarding fears of witchcraft among African Pentecostals piques the interest of our FR Catholic contingent.

It’s not as if there aren’t many, many examples of similar tales from Catholic areas in third world countries. It’s not as if fears of witchcraft and exorcisms are not also Catholic.

And on that subject, here's a little light reading:

Jose Guerena Evidence: Don't Buy Your Kids the Jesús Malverde Bobblehead (AZ SWAT killing)
Rival Santa Muerte church claims captured 'bishop' does not represent the Mexican death cult
Mexico Detains Leader Of Santa Muerte Cult On Kidnapping Charges
Drug Trafficker....Gets 16-Year Sentence ["La Santa Muerta", "Jesus Malverde" cultist]
Shrine to 'Drug Saint' Jesus Malverde Erected in Mexico City
Patron saints of Venezuelan gangland crime
Mexican Robin Hood figure gains a kind of notoriety abroad
Beer named for Mexican drug saint
Catholic Church wages campaign against witchcraft in Mexican town
Mexico's Death Saint Gets Makeover
'Narco-saint' Jesus Malverde gets shrine in Mexico City

32 posted on 12/29/2013 8:02:46 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: vladimir998

next we’ll be seeing snake charming...is this what it means to be born again?


33 posted on 12/29/2013 9:35:11 PM PST by Coleus
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I read the entire article. This is why, when Jesus sent his disciples out to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers and cast out demons, he added; “You received without paying, give without pay.” (Matthew 10:8)

I know of no Pentecostal denomination which charges a fee.

Also, the baptismal water can be consider holy water. The point of baptism is washing away all that is detrimental.

No, 'baptismal water' is not considered 'holy water', not in any Protestant/Evangelical/Pentecostal setting (well, maybe in the liturgical denominations). As with anything, the matter is spiritual.

34 posted on 12/30/2013 1:21:45 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Elsie

http://globalmormonism.byu.edu/?page_id=189


35 posted on 12/30/2013 5:34:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Elsie,

Yes, it is through praying to Jesus for Him to remove demons, that exorcism is done. No other way works.


36 posted on 12/30/2013 6:47:03 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Coleus
next we’ll be seeing snake charming...is this what it means to be born again?

You tell me. Quite a few FRoman Catholics already call all Protestants "snake handlers".

37 posted on 12/30/2013 8:51:20 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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