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Pope Francis 'shocked' by gay adoption. Will Time take back its Person of the Year award?
The Telegraph (U.K.) Blog ^ | December 29th, 2013 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 12/29/2013 3:53:28 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

So just how gay-friendly is Pope Francis? Consider this.

In his Christmas sermon, Bishop Charles Scicluna of Malta condemned adoption by same-sex couples. He insisted that God's own son was raised by a man and a woman, and not by two men or two women.

How divisive! said the media. But now it turns out that Bishop Scicluna met Pope Francis on December 12. The bishop later told the Times of Malta: “We discussed many aspects… and when I raised the issue that’s worrying me as a bishop [the right for gay couples to adopt] he encouraged me to speak out."

Indeed, the Pope was "shocked" to learn that Malta's proposed Civil Union bill allows gay adoption. And Bishop's Scicluna's controversial sermon seems to have been delivered at his prompting.

None of this should be surprising: back in Argentina, Cardinal Bergoglio roundly condemned gay adoption and said that gay marriage was diabolically inspired. But confusingly – and I still can't quite figure this out in my head – he did clearly back civil partnerships as the lesser of two evils. (When Archbishop Vincent Nichols appeared to do that, his critics in the Vatican were furious.)

What we can say, I think, is that the media read far too much into the Pope's "who am I to judge?" comment about gay Christians in his impromptu interview on the way back from Rio. If Time magazine gave Francis its Person of the Year on the basis of his relaxed attitude to homosexuality, it should have done its homework more thoroughly.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: adoption; homosexualagenda; lgbt; malta; scicluna

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1 posted on 12/29/2013 3:53:29 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think the pope gets it on this issue.


2 posted on 12/29/2013 3:55:39 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Its beginning to look a lot like Kwanzaa)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

As always, the libs read their own message into the Pope’s words.

Being gay, like being a pedophile, might be what you FEEL. What is important is what you DO.

Acting on gay feelings is against the Bible (Old and New Testaments).


3 posted on 12/29/2013 3:58:32 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

4 posted on 12/29/2013 4:00:55 PM PST by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

So basically, the Pope and Phil Robertson have the same message. Love the sinner, hate the sin.


5 posted on 12/29/2013 4:01:22 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Why is he so obsessed with, “small-minded rules?”


6 posted on 12/29/2013 4:03:31 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Wonder whether GLAAD will demand he get indefinitely suspended from the Vatican?


7 posted on 12/29/2013 4:20:09 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Good. Let’s hear more news stories like this.


8 posted on 12/29/2013 4:21:26 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I have to wonder if he is paying attention.
9 posted on 12/29/2013 4:21:27 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: nickcarraway

You need a snark tag there, don’tcha?


10 posted on 12/29/2013 4:33:42 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s not an adoption .... it’s a sentence to queerdom.


11 posted on 12/29/2013 4:37:32 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Some people might call it a confidence game or swindle, others call it ObamaCare!)
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To: nickcarraway
Still find him a bit liberal.
I wouldn't let a gay couple adopt a dog.
12 posted on 12/29/2013 4:50:24 PM PST by stormhill
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This new advance of the homosexual agenda in Malta must be CRUSHED immediately. It’s one of the last Western European hold-outs.


13 posted on 12/29/2013 5:01:02 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: freedumb2003
As always, the libs read their own message into the Pope’s words.
Being gay, like being a pedophile, might be what you FEEL. What is important is what you DO.
Acting on gay feelings is against the Bible (Old and New Testaments).

What one DOES is, or should be, based on what one THINKS. One OUGHT to use our God-given brains, shouldn't one?
Feelings come and go with ANYTHING...weather, food, itches, the next-door neighbor. Feelings are too transitory and chancy to be relied on.

14 posted on 12/29/2013 5:25:55 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The only reason Time made him person of the year was that Rush Limbaugh condemned his take on capitalism. Otherwise Time would have been as anti-Catholic, anti-Pope as it has been for decades.

If the translation was accurate, Pope Francis SHOULD have been condemned. It sounds these days as though he is trying to say he was taken out of context i.e. Rush was right.

Now he is saying some of his best friends are Marxists. When the time is right some of his best friends will be homosexual. Then some of his best friends with be abortionists. The litany goes on and on.

Before his tenure ends, Francis will likely learn to think before he speaks. I hope that happens before he makes his next Ex-Cathedra pronouncement. If not, that whole infallibility thing may be up for grabs.

15 posted on 12/29/2013 5:30:15 PM PST by stevem
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To: Viennacon

This new advance of the homosexual agenda in Malta must be CRUSHED immediately. It’s one of the last Western European hold-outs.>>>>

Yeah, i am sure glad i live here in Gods country where we never hear of such a thing.


16 posted on 12/29/2013 5:40:52 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: MeshugeMikey

Me, too.


17 posted on 12/29/2013 5:59:07 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (A Buddhist goes over to a hot-dog vendor and says, "Make me one with everything.")
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To: nickcarraway

Who?


18 posted on 12/29/2013 5:59:47 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (A Buddhist goes over to a hot-dog vendor and says, "Make me one with everything.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Bravo, Pope Francis!


19 posted on 12/29/2013 6:02:17 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Bravo!


20 posted on 12/29/2013 6:03:59 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Mrs. Don-o
But confusingly – and I still can't quite figure this out in my head – he did clearly back civil partnerships as the lesser of two evils.

Civil partnerships would benefit other folks than homosexuals. Widowed women could form a civil union with an elderly son, or it could be two elderly sisters, for the purposes of taxation, property ownership, or whatever. It could have nothing whatsoever to do with sex. And the Pope was trying to save traditional marriage, not have it diminished by homosexual activists.

21 posted on 12/29/2013 8:13:10 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Same-sex adoptions were legal in this country even before gay marriage. People should start to realize that there is no stopping the United States in its pursuit of libertinism. Where exactly do we stop when we condone everything?


22 posted on 12/29/2013 8:24:05 PM PST by firebrand
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To: SuziQ
And apparently (as) Archbishop, Bergoglio didn't realize that civil unions could strengthen gay couples' case for adoption of children.

This is truly--- oh, there's no other word than "perverse".

23 posted on 12/30/2013 5:16:44 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - Jeremiah 17:9)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Pope Francis says its ‘not necessary’ for church to speak about gay marriage, abortion all the time

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/19/pope-francis-says-its-not-necessary-for-church-to-speak-about-gay-marriage/


24 posted on 01/01/2014 6:16:05 PM PST by Coleus (Vivat Jesus)
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To: Coleus
Well, he's sure right about that one.

For one thing, it's not even humanly possible to talk about It's also necessary to talk about gay marriage and abortion all the time.

For another thing, it IS necessary to talk, at times, about the Father; the Son; the Holy Spirit; prayer; fasting; almsgiving; spiritual and corporal works of mercy; redemptive suffering; the Sacrament of Penance; the Gospels and Lessons of the daily Mass; the Lives of the Saints; repentance; conversions; salvation; humility; being poor in spirit; the Existence of God; the Creation and Fall; Divine Revelation; Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture; the Incarnation; the Paschal Mystery; the Mystical Body and Communion of Saints; The Four Marks of the Church; the Blessed Virgin Mary; the Four Last Things; the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass; Vocations; the Courage to Marry for Life; ...

Etc. etc. etc.

All topics which he has hit upon since last March.

Jesus didn't talk about Gay Marriage or Abortion even once! Though of course He talked about both Marriage and Celibacy; and St. Paul under the Lord's personal instruction via the Holy Spirit, covered quite a bit of that in detail.

Now if you know me, you know I'm ardently against Gay Marriage and Abortion, and I will compare my record of speaking out, writing and action on those subjects, to anybody else you'd care to name.

But I'd be less than honest if I failed to say that I agree with Pope Francis on this one. He puts these issues in a context which is wide and deep.

And I say, thank God for that.

25 posted on 01/01/2014 6:41:18 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (When I grow up, I'm gonna settle down, chew honeycomb & drive a tractor, grow things in the ground.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Forgive typos please. I'm past my bedtime.

Good night, Coleus, and God bless!

26 posted on 01/01/2014 6:42:49 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Jesus didn’t talk about Gay Marriage or Abortion even once! >>

many democrats and pro-choicers say the same thing, they say “where is abortion mentioned in the new testament?” but one has to remember that Jesus was born at a time when all the Jews at that time were Orthodox and understood and obeyed the Mosaic law, He did not come to preach to the choir or preach about what the current Jew of the day already knew..Jesus said to Obey the commandments and pro life and pro marriage are part of the commandments...

anyway, I think our current Holy Father speaks off the cuff and extemporaneously...he needs to exercise some self control and take medication for his ADHD; also we had about 27 years of JPII and about 5 years of Benedict XVI and it seems we didn’t have to explain much about what they said to reporters, the press understood what the 2 previous holy fathers said... Pope Francis is there not even a year and it seems that we are constantly explaining what he was trying to say........I see a lot of “well, he really didn’t say that or he didn’t really mean that, and what he was trying to say is this .......and the press misunderstood what he said....

anyway, getting back to the title of the thread, the Holy Father should learn about the slippery slope...why would he be “shocked?” Once you condone civil unions, which many priests have, then comes gay marriage, gay adoptions and so on....there is no turning back...sorry to say abortion and gay marriage and gay adoptions are here to stay..
and when the man at the top tells the world that we are focusing too much on abortion and gay marriage the world interpreted that as those sins are no different than other sins....I was taught that those are sins are those that cry out to heaven... I guess that is no longer the case....

I wonder how many times fr/bishop/cardinal Bergoglio prayed in front of abortion clinics and participated in sidewalk counseling outside of the abortion mills.

Have a happy, holy and healthy new year!!!


27 posted on 01/01/2014 8:06:23 PM PST by Coleus (Vivat Jesus)
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To: Coleus
I'm in general agreement with you about the wince-worthy things Pope Francis has said while speaking off the cuff. The man talks too much, and he lacks the careful, wise precision of dear Benedict, may God bless him forever! And Francs supposedly has a very sharp senior communications advisor Greg Burke, formerly of Fox News and a member of Opus Dei. What is HE doing to earn his salary??!

Aargh!!

As for the four sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance:

As I always tell my RCIA students, each of these --- like each of the Ten Commandments --- is not so much an item as a chapter heading. For instance, murder includes abortion, killing embryos in conjunction with stem cell harvesting or IVF, withdrawal of nutrition/hydration from the severely brain injured, drunk driving, unjust acts of war, targeting of civilians, terrorism, indiscriminate killing, etc. etc.

Same with sodomy: we're talking about any vile sexual offenses, and there's a whole catalog of them.

As for the last two, those cover all the REAL "Social Justice" offenses. I consider, for example, under "depriving the laborer of his wages", that excessive taxation, confiscatory fines, mandatory union dues in non-Right-to-Work states, are violations of this sort, Governments can be guilty of this, as well as unions and employers; in fact in the USA, I would consider Big Government THE major violator. As well as global corporations that pay their workers in Indonesia 50 cents an hour for making top brand athletic shoes --- when the same laborer would get $20 an hour in the USA.

Oppressing the widow, the orphan and the foreigner, are likewise "social" sins as well as individual sins.

So yes, abortion and the whole sad, pathetic, infuriating Gay agenda are sins that cry out to heaven. But not the only ones.

28 posted on 01/02/2014 5:33:10 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

He will soon come to realize that the press is not his friend, it’s his enemy.


29 posted on 01/02/2014 5:14:42 PM PST by Coleus (Vivat Jesus)
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To: Coleus

Too true.


30 posted on 01/02/2014 5:22:05 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" - Jeremiah 17:9)
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