Skip to comments.Advise me: A Christian who does good deeds thinks they can sin because of their good works?
Posted on 12/30/2013 12:45:24 AM PST by dila813
What is it called when a Christian who does good deeds thinks they can sin because of their good works?
Do you know someone like this? How do you deal with them?
I feel like I should confront them, but currently I am just ignoring them. What is the right thing to do?
Some of them have significant influence in and around my family. I am very uncomfortable.
I find it is frustrating to deal with someone who feels they are so superior to others that they can lie, cheat, steal, and do other similar sins all day long because they are involved with a Christian Non-Profit / Missions.
They may feel that they are saving souls; but really, it is at the cost of their own.
Do you know anyone who actually believes this or are you the first to propose this idea?
How can you have faith if you don’t actually follow God?
Where in the Bible does it say one should have personal pride? It seems like it’s the opposite.
“What is it called when a Christian who does good deeds thinks they can sin because of their good works?”
And that doesn’t go just for Christians. It pertains to everyone. It isn’t personal pride either. It’s sheer arrogance and defiance of G-d’s Law.
If the person is stealing, call the police. That will take him down a few pegs.
Silence in the face of evil is acquiescence. If whoever you are speaking of is influencing your family, you need to shine the light. Can you prove what you are charging? If so, then DO it.
OR is this a televangelist who you believe is in it for the money and fame?
Entrance into heaven isn’t based on our good deeds. No one is good enough.
It is based on the person and work of Jesus Christ. He is the only way to gain entrance into heaven.
Good works follow because the Holy Spirit enables us to be good and do good, and because we now want to do what is pleasing to Him and also because we now want to avoid that which displeases Him. If the enablishing and the wanting aren’t there, that person needs to check to see if He is really saved in the first place.
IIRC, correctly there was a term like that back in Europe called dispensation. But that involved money to the church for sins or something like that.
They are abusing Gods grace.
Jesus himself will sort the sheep from the goats.
They should know that.
Its up to him one heart at a time, he will judge.
God knows how one is supposed to constructively influence someone with a superior attitude. So I would recommend prayer. I understand that God is even smarter than us Freepers.
It’s a bit difficult to say as you don’t particularly name too much of what they are doing. Some have just had bad teaching and they may not think they are sinning. Some maybe having trouble with various issues in their lives or are yet to modify certain behaviors that offend your sensibilities. Or are they saying that homosexuality is not sin or something like that?
Ask God for an opportunity to speak to them in all humility. None of us are yet perfected!
Is this person a Catholic or an evangelical Christian? If the latter, the person may be wallowing in the extreme position of the "grace alone" heresy. It might be the converse of what you think; not because of his good works, but in spite of them.
It's called "antinomianism."
This theology metastasized so exponentially during the 70's and 80's to the point that you can now not tell most professing "Christians" from unbelievers. I can't count the number of professing Christian friends and associates, for example, who see no problem with getting drunk. Even many here on this site will defend this practice.
Instead of, “Now go forth and sin no more,”...
It’s, “Now go forth and break last week’s record.”
I have been there. It’s frustrating.
They’re doing it for the wrong reason or have a guilty conscience because they’re sinning and using their good deed to cover up for another sin
My first thought.
Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted. 2 Bear one anothers burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4 But each one must examine his own work, and then he will have reason for boasting in regard to himself alone, and not in regard to another. 5 For each one will bear his own load.
6 The one who is taught the word is to share all good things with the one who teaches him. 7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. 8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. 10 So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.
11 See with what large letters I am writing to you with my own hand. 12 Those who desire to make a good showing in the flesh try to compel you to be circumcised, simply so that they will not be persecuted for the cross of Christ. 13 For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh. 14 But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
17 From now on let no one cause trouble for me, for I bear on my body the brand-marks of Jesus.
18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. 19 For as through the one mans disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. 20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.
8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification. 20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death. 22 But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Whatever put that asinine thought into your head?
You cannot be considered virtuous and in a state of grace while you’re committing mortal sins regardless of how much monopoly money you shovel into worthy causes.
3 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, 2 to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men. 3 For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another. 4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men. 9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. 10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, 11 knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
You’re providing quotes from the Worldwide Church of God? Really?
Your good works are filthy rags in the eyes of the Lord. Paradise through good works is Islamic, not Christian.
Every one of us is a sinner.
His good deeds may not get him into Heaven, but your condemnation of him and your judging him will not get you there either.
I know of the good deeds of many, and in the Community where I live it is impossible not to know of the bad deeds of these same people. Does the good outweigh the bad? I don’t know but I also know many bad who do no good deeds.
Which is the most acceptable?
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
you just summed it up with those scripture quotes. We will all sin regardless, but sinning and doing good things to try to justify it are two different things.
If I do something wrong, I feel remorse etc. I don’t go out and buy a homeless guy some food so I can go out and run a scam on seniors with a clean conscience as an example.
Bible says that pride comes before a man’s fall.
If you have direct knowledge of his sins, then go and speak to your brother humbly, after praying that the speck in his eye is not a log in yours. If have knowledge of his sins through gossip, then ask God to forgive you of your sin.
What a joke.
I do wonder what caused you to have such a notion and what your motivation to further the notion was. It surely wasnt Christianity or Catholicism.
I trust you will find time to reflect on your own life. My suggestion is for you to attend a nearby noisy charismatic church and observe Christianity in concert with the New Testament covenant.
Their good works will not save them. Remind them of that. Once we come to the cross, embrace it, and commune with our Lord, we are to turn from sin, not practice it. The mark of a real Christian is one that loves, and one that is striving against sin, not embracing it. We do not have to ask Christ in again for every sin, but we are to confess it and attempt to sin no more. We have struggles with some sins, and that does not affect our true faith, but if we openly practice sin, which means that we deliberately do (in-your-face) some kind of sin, Scripture warns us that there is no longer any sacrifice for that and you are in dire straights. There is need for concern for one who thinks that sin has no consequences.
**way you conduct your life is more important than your personal pride and demonstrations of faith.**
You are correct here.
Remember to read in The Letter of St. James that it is faith AND works that is important.
It looks like this book is a lie. Pure propaganda.
They cannot Save anyone. Speak the truth to them and they will either cling to it or flee from it. Then you will know.
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves.
The Bible tells us plainly that we should not lie or steal, is this what they are doing? and what about the other sins?
Are they sins that is plain in the scripture or are they just sins according to you?
And what good works are they doing? busy boding is not good works and it is also not saving souls.
If what they are doing is just to be seen of men then they already have all the reward they will get.
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Yes, i knew a guy very well who would go back and forth from being a drunk to a saint, he was a much better guy when he was a drunk especially when he was sober.
But when he would change to a saint and get
with his church group he was so overbearing and self righteous that he was hard to take.
If the person is stealing, call the police. That will take him down a few pegs.
I feel like I should confront them,
Reminds me of two verses in Proverbs.
Never try to correct a fool............................
Always correct a fool......................
I’ll let you look up the 2nd half of those verses. Hint they are right next to each other.
James, chapter 2
Faith and Works.*
14What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?i 15If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, 16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?j 17So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18Indeed someone might say, “You have faith and I have works.” Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. 19You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble. 20Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?k 22You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. 23Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.”l 24See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?m 26For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
come out of your cult and become a Christian.
Lets take this the the ludicrus extreme to verify the path you suggest:
He comes to church and shoots the pastor in the middle of the forehead during the sunday morning sermon, killing him. Following your advice, and since none of us are without sin, we should:
Ignore his actions
Not condem him for his actions
Not report his crime to the police because that would be “judging him”.
Take the pastor’s place in the pulpit, with him still standing there, just in case he believes he needs to to do it again (turning the other cheek).
This is horrendously bad advice.
My advice to the OP is to report his sorry ass to the church leadership, the police, and anyone else that has the power and authority to Condemn and Judge him. Letting criminals continue their activity is NOT what christ demands of us. Reference the money changers in the temple and the direction to purchase a sword for personal protection.
First of all, only God saves through the work His Son accomplished on the Cross of Calvary.
When the disciples asked Jesus where He was going (when He told them He must leave), He responded by stating the most important words sinners must hear: "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The Life and NO ONE can come to The Father (God) except through Me."
The ONLY WAY for Salvation is to acknowledge you are a sinner (the proud stumble here for they believe in their own good works - not in God's), ask for forgiveness for your sins, state you believe that Jesus died for your sins and ask Him to come to live with you in your heart forever!
If you are sincere and only God knows whether you are being honest when you do, then you are forgiven and receive Eternal Life (what it means is Life more abundantly while you are here on earth and Life with Him when you die.
You are Saved FOR Good Works - not BY Good Works!!!
It is referred to as the Fruit of the Spirit (the Gifts you are given at the time of your Salvation, that God expects you to use to be a blessing to others after your Salvation, not before for you have not been "Born Again" (i.e. Born of the Spirit.)
Jesus spoke to Nicodemus (a member of the Sanhedrin) who asked Him how one can be "Born Again." Does one go back into the mother's womb, Nicodemus wanted to know. Jesus told him that he was first born as a baby and then later he must be "born of the Spirit (the Holy Spirit or Ghost as some might say but they are synonymous) to receive Eternal Life.
Jesus had to die on the cross and ascend to Heaven for His Spirit to indwell believers on earth (the Day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit visited all of those who believed Him and was with Peter when he preached his first sermon.)
Good and kind people doing "good works" are still sinners in need of a Savior for their Salvation. Without it, they are good and kind people going to Hell when they die for they die without Jesus.
He only comes to them (and us) one way, that is by praying the "sinners prayer."
It is sad when we know so many of these folk whether church goers, or not but who really do good to their fellow humans but don't accept that they are still sinners and God hates sin, it will never be acceptable to live with Him in Heaven until we have been washed "white a snow," by the Blood of Jesus.
I know that this is both too long and yet too short but hopefully you can make sense of it for yourself and your friends.
No, your good works are given all to Jesus. They are not from you but from God. Never take credit for your good works.
I advise you to flee the Great Whore who Rides the Beast.
She is drunk with the blood of the saints which is a symbol of the blood of Jesus, she takes communion as the saints were told to do therefore it is called the blood of the saints.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Verse 16 distinguishes the whore which is the Church from the beast.
Verse 13 shows that the ten horns which hate the whore gives their allegiance to the beast.
In verse 1 the woman is called a whore, and in verse 5 she is called the mother of harlots.
The daughters are the Churches which came from the mother Church and they are called harlots.
In ch 12 verse s 1 through 6 describes the Church also as a woman, i think it was a different woman.