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Was John saved when he believed in Christ's resurrection in Jn. 20:8? Cleopas & Peter in Lk. 24:34?
12/30/2013 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 12/30/2013 12:24:18 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

1.) When John went to the tomb with Peter in John chapter 20, was he saved when he went into the tomb and believed (John 20:8)?

2.) Was Cleopas (and the other person who was with him) saved when he (and his traveling companion) returned from his trip to Emmaus back to Jerusalem saying that they had seen the risen savior after Jesus broke bread with them and their eyes were opened (Luke 24:33-35)?

3.) More than that, was Peter saved when Luke 24:33-35 says that Peter also saw the risen savior?

4.) And how about Mary Magdalene? Was she saved when she returned to tell the disciples that she had seen the risen savior in John chapter 20:18? "I have seen THE LORD!"

When a company of individuals stood on a hill and saw Jesus Christ ascend into heaven, were they saved? Surely they were believers...

A well known televison pastor has said:

"At salvation all believers not only become full members of Christ's body, the church, but the Holy Spirit is placed within each of them."


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; History; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: salvation
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1 posted on 12/30/2013 12:24:18 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

How would you (Laissez-faire capitalist) answer these questions?


2 posted on 12/30/2013 12:31:30 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: kosciusko51; All

I agree with what the well-known television pastor says!

I believe that they were regenerated then and there.


3 posted on 12/30/2013 12:39:01 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Short answer: Acts 2:38 says no.


4 posted on 12/30/2013 12:40:43 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

Romans 10:9 does not agree with your understanding of Acts 2:38. Also, was the thief on the cross saved when he confessed his belief in Jesus?


5 posted on 12/30/2013 12:47:46 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: T-Bird45; All

But the well-known televison pastor would seem to disagree with you. And Acts 2:38 agrees with me and him, too.

They were already regenerated before Acts 2:28, because ALL believe become full members of Christ’s body and the Holy Spirit is placed within each of them at salvation. And thety clearly believed.No doubt about that.

Were they half-way saved before Acts 2:38?

Those presented here clearly were all believers (and thus saved) BEFORE the Day of Pentecost.


6 posted on 12/30/2013 12:54:58 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: kosciusko51

Yes, you are right!

The thief was saved.


7 posted on 12/30/2013 12:55:39 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

They were saved whenever it was that they belived Jesus was the Messiah.


8 posted on 12/30/2013 12:58:57 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I am too ignorant to know God’s thoughts or actions.


9 posted on 12/30/2013 1:00:32 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: smokingfrog

And thus they were full members of the body of Christ, and the Holy Spirit was placed within each of these believers before the Day of Pentecost.


10 posted on 12/30/2013 1:01:36 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: mountainlion; All

But we can know His Word.

According to 1 Corinthians, Romans 10:9-10, etc, etc, when one believes, they have the Holy Spirit placed within them, and they become full members of the body of Christ.

Neither John, nor Peter, nor Cleopas, nor Mary Magdalene, nor those assembled on the mountain had to wait until Acts 2:38. They were believers (and thus saved) before that day, as the scripturtes show us!!!


11 posted on 12/30/2013 1:04:59 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The question is, what action is required to be saved?

Romans 10:9-10 King James Version (KJV)

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

That does it for me...

12 posted on 12/30/2013 1:06:58 PM PST by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

This is one of those questions that really cannot be answered with any certainty. If Eph. 1 informs us that they were chosen before the foundation of the earth, then we are not so much trying to determine what moment the individual goes from death to life, but are they among the elect? If they are, they will undoubtedly be raised up on that day.


13 posted on 12/30/2013 1:09:57 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Was Abram saved?


14 posted on 12/30/2013 1:10:38 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Was Abraham saved?


15 posted on 12/30/2013 1:10:58 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

What about faith!?


16 posted on 12/30/2013 1:12:15 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: dangerdoc

“Was Abram saved?”

Only with the good pastors approval. s/


17 posted on 12/30/2013 1:14:50 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; kosciusko51; T-Bird45
Galatians 3

You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun y the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6 Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

Romans 4

4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: 7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven, And whose sins have been covered. 8 “Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account.” 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “Faith was credited to Abraham as righteousness.” 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

Luke 13

Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27 and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers.’ 28 In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out. 29 And they will come from east and west and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. 30 And behold, some are last who will be first and some are first who will be last.”

18 posted on 12/30/2013 1:20:34 PM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Define “saved.”


19 posted on 12/30/2013 1:47:05 PM PST by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

What must I do to be saved??? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. so simple No door to door, no Hail Mary’s no giving money to anyone, not even Baptism, simply believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I doubt if any Catholics will get this but then they get their doctrine for Rome, not the Bible (I hear INCOMING!!!)


20 posted on 12/30/2013 2:26:18 PM PST by fish hawk (no tyrant can remain in power without the consent and cooperation of his victims.)
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