Posted on 01/03/2014 10:03:52 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Deuteronomy 13:2 and Deuteronomy 18:22 in exegetical and hermeneutical balance both show together that a false prophet will fail either one of two tests or both of two tests.
If they fail either/or, or both/and, they are a false prophet:
Deut 13: 1-3
"If a prophet or dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true concerning the sign which he spoke to you saying 'Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to that prophet or dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul..."
1.) Ultimately fails the doctrinal test.
Deuteronomy 18:22
"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, and the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptously: thous shalt not be afraid of him."
2.) This person may speak true doctrine, but ultimately fails the test of uttering true prophecy.
So, IF someone says (or IF they says that God has told them) that God is going to give some cure for some disease (AIDS and/or HIV)) at or by a certain date and that does not come to pass...or IF someone else says that God has told them or says that a certain leader (Fidel Castro?) will die at or by a certain date and they do not come to pass --- have either one met BOTH tests, IF even by chance they both teach true doctrine?
Teaching false doctrine alone isn't what makes someone a "false prophet." There are two tests...
It doesn’t matter what anyone says in televangelical land or on any of the so-called dispensers of “the gospel” on television.
Deut. 13: 1-3 and Deut. 18: 22 tell it like it is. There are no issues of so-called cloudiness or murkiness here. God’s word is true and can be trusted.
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Paging the Aw Jeez guy. Please pick up the white courtesy phone.
No, this was a response to the 1/2/2014 thread.
The world is full of false prophets, for instance, guys like Al Gore and Obama. They serve the god of Babylon, bringing all kinds of evil upon us. Then there are thousands of kooks, false prophets who open every door to every lying spirit, and pass off what they imagine as prophetic truth, leading millions of gullible people into fantasies of meaning. But most people are quite capable of deceiving themselves for entertainment.
So why didn’t you just respond to that thread instead of posting a new one?
It’s still ongoing.
And still as nutty and kooky as ever.
All such things involved trance states such as dreams or hypnosis, all involved static electricity, and all stopped working before the time of Alexander.
City states had operated for centuries on information coming back from these practices, and then the entire capability of the planet itself to support such things broke down and the information turned into mush and it became dangerous to listen to such people, hence the admonition of Zecharia to simply kill prophets.
ANYBODY claiming to be a prophet after the time of Alexander is a bullshit artist. That includes Mohammed (MHBH), Joseph Smith, St. John "the devine(TM)" and the book of Revelation which should not have been included in the Bible, Karl Marx, Chuck Darwin, and anybody else making such claims.
The first paragraph of the Book of Hebrews specifically says that prophets were a thing of the distant past at the time of Jesus.
There is also a huge movement within Evangelical churches called the “hearing the voice of God/Jesus” movement - particularly the “Experiencing God” books by Henry, Richard, and Tom Blackaby.
They claim that you must learn to “hear” God’s voice. In my mind, this claim makes a person a “prophet” who would fall under the tests given in Deuteronomy. Have you heard of this movement and if so, what do you think of this claim to be able to hear the voice of God?
bttt
Interesting isn’t it
I am very sorry for you, that appear to be saying you can’t hear the Voice of God
Are you saying people can not be prophetic?
I first heard the voice of G_d in Tupelo, Mississippi in 1929. I was walking down the street, eating a tuna fish sandwich.
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I think you may be reading too much into that first paragraph of Hebrews. The point the writer was making is that God spoke through prophets whose messages from Him were absolute expressions of His Truth that must not be ignored - but now, God has not spoken just through a prophet, but through His very Own Son.
I guess it also depends on what one means by “prophet”. The word “prophesy” in the New Testament appears frequently, but is used to mean, “proclaiming God’s Truth”’ and not necessarily foretelling a future event.
Examples of this are found in Acts 11:27, Acts 13:1-3, Acts 15:32, Acts 21:10, 1Corinthians 12:28-29, and Ephesians 4:11 to name a few.
So, there are “prophets” given to the church and there is no indication that such a calling has been suspended.
The office of “Apostle” is still ongoing in one sense - “apostles” are “messengers” or “missionaries”. But the office of Apostle in the sense of the 13 original Apostles is no longer in existence because they had specific qualifications they had to meet - i.e. eyewitnesses of Jesus from His baptism to His resurrection.
But, a prophet can still exist but they still fall under the test given by God through Moses in the book of Deuteronomy. So, claiming that you hear God’s voice and have a specific message from Him is a very serious and dangerous claim - something not to be said flippantly because anyone saying such a thing come under God’s judgement.
false prophet:
See Joseph Smith...
The “sheep that hear His voice” is talking about responding to the Gospel, responding to the voice of the Good Shepherd who calls us to His salvation.
Hearing God’s voice does not mean you hear the actual voice of God on a daily basis and receive daily messages from Him. Now, it can happen that God DOES give you a specific message from Him, but you better understand that that means you fall under His test of prophet as given in Deuteronomy.
God has given us His message in His Word, the Bible - it is from His Word that we “hear” his voice - not from some daily special revelation. I’m not saying God cannot give a prophetic message - He can do anything He wants, but that probably will be the exception, not the rule.
We can daily “hear” His voice through His teaching and His guidance given in His Word - that’s pretty miraculous in and of itself - don’t you think?
@R2nd
Because I can post a thread like this one if I please, thank you, reagrdless if another is still ongoing.
Comprende?
Good.
No one asked you, and no one appointed you high sheriff to come on threads and post stuff like you did on post #3.
It is a simple courtesy that I and many others here follow, and one that you should perhaps follow, too.
Just a suggestion... :)
Wow. Hit a nerve did he?
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