Posted on 01/03/2014 8:59:21 PM PST by matthewrobertolson
As you should already know, most non-Catholic Christians INSIST that whatever is presented as doctrine requiring obedience of faith must be proved by Sacred Scripture. The passage you present in NO way addresses contraception. In fact, it is talking about the intimate sexual relationship between a husband and wife within their marriage and their mutual respect for each other regarding their emotional and physical needs.
I am still praying for both you to have Jesus come into your hearts.
Pray for yourself, I already have Jesus in my heart and have no reason to think Metmom doesn't also. I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior when I was sixteen after a Southern Baptist Sunday school teacher showed John 10:27-30 to me. When I read that Jesus gives to us eternal life and we shall never perish or be plucked from His hand, the Holy Spirit opened by heart to believe the truth of the gospel of the grace of God through faith in Christ. He has been my Good Shepherd, Savior and Lord ever since. Why don't you pray for all those in your church who don't yet understand the gospel? I'm sure it will be appreciated.
Amen! Well said.
Thank you. That needed to be said.
You can’t blame the RCs for posting this topic this weekend. Most were homebound with snow or low temps today. What better way to kill time than start a thread on contraceptives. I wonder if they consider 5 overseas deployments without family as a contraceptive technique:)
true but they weren’t called baptists then and all churches with similar enough beliefs trace their origins to the fathers. after all that is what we are.
This thread reminds me of Sister Mary Margaret of the 5 wounds teaching health class.
I have loads of Catholic Army buddies and most of them got vasectomies after the second or third child. I just assumed the Catholic church changed the position on this.
i don’t think i said baptists are a branch of Lutherans. only hinted that Zinzendorf converted to it. Luther and Lutheranism is the the only protestant church because it was a protest movement against the catholic church. some churches grew out of that movement. baptists however did not. that’s why i mentioned Zinzendorf.
Does my deciding not to get married also kill babies?
How’s that working out for you?
In NFP, there is no "marriage act"??? What about the time where NFP guidelines say it is "safe" to have sex (the marriage act) to avoid pregnancy? Is the "seed" of man not being spilt in the same sense as with condom use or withdrawal? Funny the twisting rationalization that some Catholics are forced to do.
Moravians predated the birth of Martin Luther therefore were not a product of any “protest” attributed to Luther. They even had difficulties with the Lutheran State Church once that came to pass. They’ve reached a certain rapport with Lutherans in the United States however, as well as a certain rapport with the Eastern Orthodox by whom their ancestors were converted. Baptists arose via a different path entirely.
No sex in NFP?
The whole point of NFP is the avoidance of conception, sex without the risk of pregnancy, the very thing that's condemned with other methods of contraception.
Breathtaking hypocrisy, isn't it?
And you can't seem to get rid of the making comments personal instead of discussing the topic thing, can you?
When Catholics refuse to admit that a Protestant HAS defended his position, they must attack the Protestant personally instead.
We understand that any holiness we might have in our lives is as a result of CHRIST'S righteousness and not our own.
And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. (Hebrews 10:10-14)
With the help of God's general grace and the Sacraments that He instituted (which are instruments of His grace), along with a faithful disposition, I can be holy. Scripture teaches this, as I have demonstrated.Without a doubt, we are all called to be holy. Thank you for posting Scripture previously in this regard. Mother Teresa of Calcutta, who was an ardent promoter of Eucharistic Adoration, said in a letter she wrote to a local parish that houses a Eucharistic Adoration chapel:
But, unless we have Jesus, we cannot give Him; that is why we need the Eucharist. Spend as much time as possible in front of the Blessed Sacrament and He will fill you with His strength and His power... --Mother Teresa of Calcutta, 7-15-96 http://adorationrocks.com/letter.htmlIn my own life, I can readily say that I am almost indistinguishable from my lukewarm Lutheran former self. I ran into an acquaintance some ten years ago, and she said if she didn't know ahead of time she was talking to ME (like if she was blindfolded), she wouldn't have believed it was I. "His strength and His power" indeed! And from Fr. Mark Kirby:
Do souls believe in My Real Presence in the tabernacles of My churches? Have they altogether forgotten who I am and where I am to be found? Has the faith of My priests in the Sacrament of My Love grown so tepid and so weak that the souls entrusted to them have lost the simple instinct of the believing heart, that is, to seek Me out in the Most Holy Eucharist, and to abide in My presence, loving Me, and allowing Me to love freely those who come to Me, to heal their wounds, and to draw them into the sanctuary of My open Side? http://vultus.stblogs.org/index.php/2014/01/abide-in-my-presence/
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