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After a schism, a question: Can atheist churches last?
CNN Belief Blog ^ | 01/05/2014 | Katie Engelhart

Posted on 01/05/2014 6:51:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind

LONDON (CNN) - The Sunday Assembly was riding high.

The world’s most voguish - though not its only - atheist church opened last year in London, to global attention and abundant acclaim.

So popular was the premise, so bright the promise, that soon the Sunday Assembly was ready to franchise, branching out into cities such as New York, Dublin and Melbourne.

“It’s a way to scale goodness,” declared Sanderson Jones, a standup comic and co-founder of The Sunday Assembly, which calls itself a “godless congregation.”

But nearly as quickly as the Assembly spread, it split, with New York City emerging as organized atheism’s Avignon.

In October, three former members of Sunday Assembly NYC announced the formation of a breakaway group called Godless Revival.

(Excerpt) Read more at religion.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Religion & Culture; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: atheism; atheist; atheistchurch; churches; easter; lent; oxymoron; religiousleft; schism
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1 posted on 01/05/2014 6:51:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

only if they make the mortgage payment..


2 posted on 01/05/2014 6:54:07 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: SeekAndFind
No surprise to me.





America demands Justice for the Fallen of Benghazi!

O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, obedient to their command.

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

3 posted on 01/05/2014 7:03:03 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course not, but what will this eventually morph into?

This kind of organizing probably isn’t intended to endure, but to be a seed of something larger, I doubt that the purpose is to merely be a routine service, quietly held in rented buildings forever, this is about something much uglier, this is about organizing people and forming an active movement.

Atheists aren’t forming up just to share coffee and community, they tend to go bad.


4 posted on 01/05/2014 7:05:05 PM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: SeekAndFind

The lunacy continues.


5 posted on 01/05/2014 7:05:09 PM PST by Viennacon
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Atheists are idiots.


6 posted on 01/05/2014 7:06:13 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The PCUSA and ELCA are basically atheistic churches and they are dying.


7 posted on 01/05/2014 7:10:36 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can the atheist churches last? I thought they already had. It’s called Public University.


8 posted on 01/05/2014 7:11:14 PM PST by This Just In
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To: SeekAndFind

schism?

seriously?


9 posted on 01/05/2014 7:11:49 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: SeekAndFind

Its just a stupid fad and a political statement, ergo no.


10 posted on 01/05/2014 7:12:19 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Gene Eric

Perhaps they could merge with...

http://www.coffeepartyusa.com/

Remember that great movement back in 2010.....


11 posted on 01/05/2014 7:12:44 PM PST by pkmaine
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To: GeronL

Next stop, Reformation.


12 posted on 01/05/2014 7:24:26 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: SeekAndFind

Buddhism has been around for a while, and is, essentially, an atheist religion.


13 posted on 01/05/2014 7:27:05 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: Olog-hai

lol

will there be protestant atheism?


14 posted on 01/05/2014 7:27:22 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: pkmaine

I do — the beanbags.


15 posted on 01/05/2014 7:27:33 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: donmeaker

Some teachers tell students beginning Buddhist meditation that the notion of divinity is not incompatible with Buddhism.

At least one Buddhist scholar (Dr. B. Alan Wallace) has indicated that describing Buddhism as non-theistic may be overly simplistic.


17 posted on 01/05/2014 7:30:22 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Viennacon

I’ve heard atheists talk about why people like religion, and they sometimes fall upon the conclusion that it is the community.
Here are people who celebrate life milestones like births, deaths and marriages. They gather regularly for holidays / holy days, creating community and connections, something too few atheists have, hence their higher divorce and suicide rates. Rituals are reassuring, but they lack those of the Christian community, so they gather and sing their own songs. (”Imagine” is high on that list.)
The atheists attracted to these churches long for a larger community that many atheists only see in political organization, but that lacks emotional depth. Atheist churches are an attempt to bring deeper emotional connections and community to their lives, something churches naturally create unless too strict or abstract.


19 posted on 01/05/2014 7:39:25 PM PST by tbw2
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To: SeekAndFind

and their point is????????


20 posted on 01/05/2014 7:56:58 PM PST by terycarl
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To: SeekAndFind

Atheist churchs what a concept...
It puts the porn in the oxymoron..

Whats next PeeWee Hermione..?...


21 posted on 01/05/2014 7:59:03 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: SeekAndFind

That place would be astounded to hear an Acts 17 verse 23 sermon.

22So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects. 23”For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, ‘TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.’ Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you. 24”The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.


22 posted on 01/05/2014 8:04:41 PM PST by Redcitizen (Never bring a tank to a Chuck Norris fight.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not sure. Can meat-eating vegetarians last? Inquiring minds want to know. How about communist capitalists? Or blind seeing-eye dogs?


23 posted on 01/05/2014 8:19:17 PM PST by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The classic aphorism by the Buddha was “The things of G-d are unknown, and unknowable, so why argue?”

Buddhism is not incompatible with the divine, but also recognizes that it is not necessary. Any divinity worth consideration will communicate clearly, contemporaneously, and unambiguously. Absent all those qualifications, arguments about ancient texts, ambiguous meanings, and attempts to describe an unlimited G-d with human language to limited minds, by limited minds are bound to lead to more heat than light.


24 posted on 01/05/2014 8:42:50 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: BillyBoy

China seems to be doing ok just now with many communist capitalists.


25 posted on 01/05/2014 8:44:30 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: Gene Eric

One of them.


26 posted on 01/05/2014 8:45:22 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: SeekAndFind; GarySpFc

LOL people who congregate who believe in nothing have a schism about nothing. Wow. The kicker is a “revivalist” group of atheists. What is the “revival”? How much more disbelief one group has?


27 posted on 01/05/2014 8:50:11 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: SeekAndFind

Boy, that escalated quickly.


28 posted on 01/05/2014 8:52:20 PM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: GeronL

LOL, now that is funny. That would mean the “true” atheist church has strayed from literal disbelief:)


29 posted on 01/05/2014 8:53:53 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: donmeaker

Ah you found another RF thread to troll on.


30 posted on 01/05/2014 8:55:24 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Gene Eric

Just take a look at his homepage. Not a serious poster loves to troll the RF threads now and then. He has a doctorate in Wikipedia quotes.


31 posted on 01/05/2014 8:57:38 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter
Don't make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

32 posted on 01/05/2014 9:07:01 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: SeekAndFind

No, Remember the saying about prophets == bad prophet and he disappears, then the group scatters.

And it happens repeatedly.

Good prophet — Jesus Christ — and the group remains.


33 posted on 01/05/2014 9:09:25 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: donmeaker

So be it, Atheists and Euphemismists are idiots.


34 posted on 01/05/2014 10:00:47 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: redleghunter

something like that

“We don’t believe in God more than you!”

“Oh yeah? Well, you just capitalized god!”

“Oh, it’s on!”


36 posted on 01/05/2014 10:31:10 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: redleghunter

An you found another RF forum in which you don’t want discussion.


37 posted on 01/05/2014 10:31:17 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: donmeaker

Hi don. Perhaps you would like to discuss how disbelief is a religion. Should these atheists be treated like religions in our public life?


38 posted on 01/05/2014 10:44:40 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: donmeaker

But I understand it’s the left hemisphere that is eaten for its predictable piquancy.


39 posted on 01/05/2014 11:01:18 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: redleghunter

Depends on your definition of religion:

“Religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.”

Certainly Atheism seems like it would be that.

Me, I am agnostic. Until I get good evidence, the jury is still out.


40 posted on 01/05/2014 11:08:47 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: Salvation

Note that the atheist group fragmented... as Christians have been doing for about 2000 years.


41 posted on 01/05/2014 11:09:54 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: redleghunter

I am interested in finding the evidence that would push me off being agnostic.

Perhaps Eric has some?


42 posted on 01/05/2014 11:11:29 PM PST by donmeaker (A man can go anywhere on earth, and where man can go, he can drag a cannon.)
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To: donmeaker

Greater is He that is in me than He who is in the world. Looking for evidence of that which is foundational is a special type of blindness. Look within to find what you seek.


43 posted on 01/06/2014 3:09:31 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: donmeaker

Good news! This year’s Easter comes LATER in April and ALL the Christian Churches come together, Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox! Take confort in this.


44 posted on 01/06/2014 3:10:34 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Salvation

.....Even under the “heat” of persicution.


45 posted on 01/06/2014 3:12:47 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: All

Lent begins on March 5, I think for the Eastern Christians it is two earlier, and Easter is on April 20, 2014.


46 posted on 01/06/2014 3:15:35 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: All

“Lent begins on March 5, I think for the Eastern Christians it is two earlier, and Easter is on April 20, 2014.”

Correction: two days earlier.

When the churches come together, it forms a prayer that all the Christians will one day be ONE.


47 posted on 01/06/2014 3:17:59 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Gene Eric

Aetheism is a false “religion” led by satan and his messengers (allah, etc) for leftists who lack the intellect to see reality.

As a “relgion”, leftists should be barred from government if they followed their “separation of church & state” philosophy...and if they really believed what they say.


48 posted on 01/06/2014 3:54:09 AM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Scale goodness”? Double talk gibberish.
He’s the Jim Jones of today trying to be the current cult leader. Absurd.


49 posted on 01/06/2014 7:14:35 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: donmeaker; narses
I am interested in finding the evidence that would push me off being agnostic.

From what I understand you want a phone call or email from God proving Himself. That would be subjective proof.

Perhaps narses can arrange such communications. He is a master at ping lists, maybe he can help.

50 posted on 01/06/2014 11:05:43 AM PST by redleghunter
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