Skip to comments.MSNBC Calls Catholic Nuns Who Don’t Want to be Forced to Fund Birth Control “a Threat”
Posted on 01/08/2014 9:06:25 AM PST by Morgana
Mondays NOW with Alex Wagner on MSNBC started with some video footage of nuns singing songs to the elderly poor. But, judging by the discussion that ensued between Wagner and her two guests, youd think the Little Sisters of the Poor were more intimidating than the Sopranos.
The administration must now deal with this latest threat to the nations health care law: these ladies, the Little Sister of the Poor.
That was MSNBCs Wagner, who also actually said: It seems this administration has bent over backwards to ensure that people can exercise their religion and, Womens lives are being saved by provisions in the Affordable Care Act.
The host invited Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards and former Governor Howard Dean (D-VT) on her show to discuss Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayors decision to delay Obamacares contraception mandate for the religious organization the Little Sisters of the Poor, a Denver-based group of Catholic nuns who run nursing homes for the poor. Wagner, Richards and Dean didnt seem to be impressed by these nuns admirable work and made it seem like the Obama administration was the victim in this case.
While Richards avoided attacking the nuns directly and instead tried to insist Obamacare would do wonders for young women, Dean didnt seem to have any problem calling out the Sisters.
First of all, this is an argument about whether the Sisters of the Poor have the right to force their views of religion on all their employees. Theyre trying to make this an argument about whether theyre gonna sign a paper or not. If the court should decide they dont have to sign the paper they essentially get to force their religion on all their employees.
Question: Isnt it safe to say people who willingly applied to work for the Little Sisters of the Poor are more likely than not to hold the same religious beliefs as their employer?
One only has to look at The Little Sisters of the Poor mission statement to understand their values:
Our vision is to contribute to the Culture of Life by nurturing communities where each person is valued, the solidarity of the human family and the wisdom of age are celebrated, and the compassionate love of Christ is shared with all.
Regardless of these lovely ladies compassionate efforts, Dean insisted the nuns were in the wrong. He also resurrected the annoying argument that Republicans are waging a war on women, noting, however, that women are recognizing how religious employers are forcing their views on them.
The average woman frames it that way herself. She doesnt has to be told what the Republicans and Fox News and all these people are doing to them. They know what theyre doing to them.
Planned Parenthood seemed to be okay with MSNBCs misleading attack on nuns and Republicans, tweeting their approval of the segment:
CLICK LIKE IF YOURE PRO-LIFE!
The Planned Parenthood Federation of America is an organization with about 800 clinic locations around the country and has a budget of $1 billion much of which goes toward abortion. Sisters of the Poor is an organization dedicated to the sanctity of life. Whos really the bigger threat here?
Watch the whole MSNBC segment below:
Christ and His teachings are a HUGE threat to the people that conform to this world.
The Little Sisters are a “threat?”
LOL! I can foresee some new training targets for Homeland Security.
Gee... Alex’s mom must be so, so fricking proud of him. Trash a bunch of nuns to defend a Kenyan Muslim.
Wonder if she’s thinking she should have seen the Planned Parenthood thing through to its certain conclusion.
satan’s network states CHRISTIAN Nuns are a threat... YES... THEY ARE A THREAT TO EVIL!
WTF are the Low Info Voters being conditioned for?
So far there are very few legal challenges to Obamacare...even now when many more people now have “standing” and are being forced to pay.
I hate to say this, but I think the RATS are going to win on this issue...they will create so many new parasites that will vote with them that we will not win the midterm elections..plus the market seems to still think the health care companies are doing great and are going to make even more money..so they forecast that this thing stays on the rails.
Nothing terrifies leftists more than people of morals and courage.
MSNBC is just living up to their fascist propaganda lineage.
So if the nuns “win”, are the pundits claiming that the employees will be prevented from getting a prescription for contraception and paying the ridiculously meager cash price? Is that what they’re saying?
Religion has a long history of “threatening” Communists.
Liberty is a threat to the plans of the master-minds.
“The meaning of peace is the absence of resistance to socialism.” — Marx
Eggs Ackley! When these dead-soul people whine it exposes for whom they work, whether they realize it or not. Self-identifying by these minions is a good thing don’tchaknow. ... Now, if we could just get our fellow Americans to awaken to the reality slowly suffocating them and aborting their sovereignty
Nuns have always been such a threat!
(Well, maybe to their students in Catholic schools), but I don’t think anyone else is threatened by them.
Christianity stands in the way of Marxism and is a threat.
Pray America is Waking
Greed at the top of the Corporate Ladder is causing a horrendous destruction of our society. Capitalism is fine, but when revenue and profit become the be-all-end-all of what’s most important, we are in for a rude awakening.
Money has trumped freedom.
Money has trumped liberty.
Money has trumped private property.
Womens lives are being saved by provisions in the Affordable Care Act.
What about the lives of future women who are being murdered on that filthy table by their ungodly mothers?
I keep seeing this and it is absolute BS. It's the employees who are forcing their views on the employer. The employees have every ability to go buy all the contraception they want. But they want their employer to be forced to provide them with free contraception. The employer isn't forcing their views on anyone by objecting to being forced to buy someone something that violates their religious views. This needs to made clear every single time someone puts forth this bogus "forcing their views" argument.
What “greed at the top of the corporate ladder”? You sound like a liberal. CEOs get paid by the Board based on whatever they wish to pay them. So what?
Has this gang been put on a terrorist list yet?
So far, the regime finds the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th amendments to be threats, they’ve ignored the 9th and 10th. Somehow I expect them to start quartering troops in private homes any day now.
The Little Sisters are a threat?
The flying Nun has been put on the TSA no-fly list...
OBAMA DESPISES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AS MUCH AS HE REVERES ISLAM
POPE PIUS XI ENCICLICAL “Divini Redemptoris” exposed and condemned the evils of Socialism
NOTRE DAME PROFESSOR ON OBAMACARE
THE CHRISTIAN POST ^ | 11/20/2013 | Laura Hollis
Obamacare Should Remind Us We Are Not Subjects, We Are People Laura Hollis is a professor at the University of Notre Dame November 20, 2013
Laura Hollis is a professor at the University of Notre Dame
The unveiling of the dictatorial debacle that is Obamacare absolutely flabbergasts me. It is stunning on so many levels, but the most shocking aspect of it for me is watching millions of free Americans stand idly by while this man, his minions in Congress and his cheerleaders in the press systematically dismantle our Constitution, steal our money, and crush our freedoms.
The President, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid (with no small help from Justice John Roberts) take away our health care, and we allow it.
They take away our insurance, and we allow it.
They take away our doctors, and we allow it.
They charge us thousands of dollars more a year, and we allow it.
They make legal products illegal, and we allow it.
They cripple our businesses, and we allow it. They announce by fiat that we must ignore our most deeply held beliefs and we allow it.
Where is your spine, America ? Yes, I know people are complaining. I read the news on the internet. I read blogs.
I have a Twitter feed. So what? People in the Soviet Union complained. People in Cuba complain. People in China complain (quietly). Complaining isnt the same thing as doing anything about it. In fact, much of the complaining that we hear sounds like resignation: Wow. This sucks. Oh well, this is the way things are. Too bad. Perhaps you need reminding of a few important facts. Here goes:
1. The President is not a king. Barack Obama does not behave like a President, an elected official, someone who realizes that he works for us. He behaves like a king, a dictator someone who believes that his own pronouncements have the force of law, and who thinks he can dispense with the laws enforcement when he deigns to do so. And those of us who object? How dare we? Racists!
And while he moves steadily forward with his plans to fundamentally transform the greatest country in human history, he distracts people with cheap, meaningless trivialities, like free birth control pills! (In fact, lets face it: this administrations odd obsession with sex in general - Birth control! Abortion! Sterilization! Gay guys who play basketball! is just plain weird. Since when did the leader of the free world care so much about how people have sex, who they have it with, and what meds they use when they have it? Does he have nothing more important to concern himself with?)
2. It isnt just a failed software program; it is a failed philosophy. People are marveling that Healthcare.gov was such a spectacular failure. Well, if one is only interested in it as a product launch, Ive explained some of the reasons for that here. But the larger point is that it isnt a software failure, or even a product failure; it is a philosophy failure.
I have said this before: Obama is not a centrist; he is a central planner. And this all of it: the disastrous computer program, the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted, the lies, the manipulation of public opinion, the theft of the publics money and property, and freedom (read insurance, and premiums, and doctors) IS what central planning looks like. The central premise of central planning is that a handful of wunderkinds with your best interests at heart (yeah, right) know better than you whats good for you. The failure of such a premise and the misery it causes have been clear from the dawn of humanity.
Kings and congressmen, dictators and Dear Leaders, potentates, princes and presidents can all fall prey to the same imperial impulses: we know what is good the the people. And they are always wrong.
There is a reason that the only times communism has really been tried have been after wars, revolutions, or coups détat. You have to have complete chaos for people to be willing to accept the garbage that centralized planning produces. Take the Soviet Union , for example. After two wars, famine, and the collapse of the Romanov dynasty, why wouldnt people wait in line for hours to buy size 10 shoes? Or settle for the gray matter that passed for meat in the grocery stores?
But communisms watered-down cousin, socialism, isnt much better. Ask the Venezuelans who cannot get toilet paper.
Toilet paper. ¡Viva la Revolución! Contrary to what so many who believe in a living Constitution say, the Founding Fathers absolutely understood this. That is why the Constitution was set up to limit government power. (Memo to the President: the drafters of the Constitution deliberately didnt say what government had to do on your behalf.) They understood that that was the path to folly, fear, and famine.)
3. Obama is deceitful. Just as the collapse of the computer program should not surprise anyone, neither should we be shocked that the President lied about his healthcare plan. Have any of you been paying attention over the past few years? Obama has made no secret of his motivations or his methods.
The philosophies which inspire him espouse deceit and other vicious tactics. (Dont take my word for it: read Saul Alinsky.) Obama infamously told reporter Richard Wolffe, You know, I actually believe my own bullshit.
He has refused to be forthcoming about his past (where are his academic records?). His own pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, told author Ed Klein, that Obama said to him, You know what your problem is? You have to tell the truth. Did Obama lie when he said dozens of times, If you like you plan, you can keep it. Period!? Of course he did. Thats what he does.
4. The media is responsible. And had the media been doing their jobs, we would have known a lot of this much, much earlier. The press is charged with the sacred responsibility of protecting the people from the excesses of government.
Our press has been complicit, incompetent, or corrupt. Had they vetted this man in 2008, as they would have a Republican candidate, we would have known far more about him than we do, even now.
Had they pressed for more details about Obamacare, Congress feet would have been held to the fire. Had they done their jobs about Eric Holder, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the IRS scandal, NSA spying - or any of the other myriad betrayals of the public trust that this administration has committed, Obama would likely have lost his 2012 reelection campaign. (A fact that even The Washington Post has tacitly acknowledged. Well done, fellas! Happy now?) Instead, they turned a blind eye, even when they knew he was lying, abusing power, disregarding the limits of the Constitution. It was only when he began to spy on them, and when the lies were so blatant that the lowest of low-information voters could figure it out that they realized they had to report on it. (Even in the face of blatant, deliberate and repeated lies, The New York Times has the audacity to tell us that the President misspoke.) They have betrayed us, abandoned us, and deceived us.
5. Ted Cruz was right. So was Sarah Palin. The computer program is a disaster. The insurance exchanges are a disaster. Whats left? The healthcare system itself. And this, of necessity, will be a disaster, too. Millions of people have lost their individual insurance plans. In 2015, millions more will lose their employer-provided coverage (a fact which the Obama administration also knew, and admitted elsewhere).
The exorbitant additional costs that Obamacare has foisted on unsuspecting Americans are all part of a plan of wealth confiscation and redistribution. That is bad enough. But it will not end there. When the numbers of people into the system and the corresponding demand for care vastly exceed the cost projections (and they will, make no mistake), then the rationing will start. Not only choice at that point, but quality and care itself will go down the tubes. And then will come the decisions made by the Independent Payment Advisory Board about what care will be covered (read paid for) and what will not.
Thats just a death panel, put politely. In fact, progressives are already greasing the wheels for acceptance of that miserable reality as well. Theyre spreading the lie that it will be about the ability of the dying to refuse unwanted or unhelpful care. Dont fall for that one, either. It will be about the deaths that inevitably result from decisions made by people other than the patients, their families, and their physicians. (Perhaps its helpful to think of their assurances this way: If you like your end-of-life care, you can keep your end-of-life-care.)
6. We are not SUBJECTS. (or, Nice Try, the Tea Party Isnt Going Away). We have tolerated these incursions into our lives and livelihoods too long already. There is no end to the insatiable demand progressives have to remake us in their image. Today it is our insurance, our businesses, our doctors, our health care. Tomorrow some new crusade will be announced that enables them to take over other aspects of our formerly free lives.
I will say it again: WE ARE NOT SUBJECTS. Not only is the Tea Party right on the fiscal issues, but it appears that they are more relevant than ever. We fought a war once to prove we did not want to be the subjects of a king, and the Boston Tea Party was just a taste of the larger conflict to come. If some people missed that lesson in history class, we can give them a refresher. The 2014 elections are a good place to start. Call your representative, your senator, your candidate and tell them: We are not subjects. You work for us. And if the word REPEAL isnt front and center in your campaign, we wont vote for you. Period.
Laura Hollis is an attorney and teaches entrepreneurship and business law at the University of Notre Dame . She resides in Indiana with her husband and two children.
Finally, someone who thinks like me In this country many people have always talked about the banana republics (referring mostly to Central and South American countries), their revolutions, their coup detats, etc. But when the governments act like they have in those countries, usually that is the ONLY way to get rid of them.
In this country, up to 2008, that was not the case but since then it is rapidly going that route and the natives are not used to it nor prepared to fight it effectively. Most of those natives (and sadly quite a few natives of those banana republics) naively believe in the checks and balances which the usurper is quietly but swiftly doing away with.
I repeat Professor Hollis words: Where is your spine, America ?
They're being conditioned for the official outlawing and killing of Christians in general, and Christian ministers in particular. For reference, see the communist Mexican government of Plutarco Elías Calles and its efforts to destroy the Roman Catholic Church in the 1920s.
Anything that is not according to the narrative will be banned. Heresy trials conducted by the atheists.
Sure about that?
Well more folks will simply do “civil disobedence” over the course of time.
Thank-you for your indepth comments.
Only partially correct. Money is not the goal: power is.
Money is a means to power, nothing more. What these people (and I use the word loosely) are trying to obtain is power over everyone else. And that is political power here.
And in facism, corporations and government go hand-in-hand. Really cannot separate the two. That is what we are moving toward, very rapidly.
You need to see through the fog here, or you will focus on the wrong target.
The people at MSNBC are so stupid that it hurts me to imagine the knots they have to turn themselves into to think this way.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
wouldn’t surprise me at all-——we are living in strange times...
I keep thinking of that line from an old “All in the Family” episode.
As best I can remember, it goes:
“There’s an old legal saying... In a court of law, you can’t beat a station wagon filled with nuns.”