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MSNBC Calls Catholic Nuns Who Don’t Want to be Forced to Fund Birth Control “a Threat”
Life News ^ | Cortney O'Brien

Posted on 01/08/2014 9:06:25 AM PST by Morgana

Monday’s NOW with Alex Wagner on MSNBC started with some video footage of nuns singing songs to the elderly poor. But, judging by the discussion that ensued between Wagner and her two guests, you’d think the Little Sisters of the Poor were more intimidating than the Sopranos.

“The administration must now deal with this latest threat to the nation’s health care law: these ladies, the Little Sister of the Poor.”

That was MSNBC’s Wagner, who also actually said: “It seems this administration has bent over backwards to ensure that people can exercise their religion” and, “Women’s lives are being saved by provisions in the Affordable Care Act.”

The host invited Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards and former Governor Howard Dean (D-VT) on her show to discuss Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s decision to delay Obamacare’s contraception mandate for the religious organization the Little Sisters of the Poor, a Denver-based group of Catholic nuns who run nursing homes for the poor. Wagner, Richards and Dean didn’t seem to be impressed by these nuns’ admirable work and made it seem like the Obama administration was the victim in this case.

While Richards avoided attacking the nuns directly and instead tried to insist Obamacare would do wonders for young women, Dean didn’t seem to have any problem calling out the Sisters.

“First of all, this is an argument about whether the Sisters of the Poor have the right to force their views of religion on all their employees. They’re trying to make this an argument about whether they’re gonna sign a paper or not. If the court should decide they don’t have to sign the paper they essentially get to force their religion on all their employees.”

Question: Isn’t it safe to say people who willingly applied to work for the Little Sisters of the Poor are more likely than not to hold the same religious beliefs as their employer?

One only has to look at The Little Sisters of the Poor mission statement to understand their values:

Our vision is to contribute to the Culture of Life by nurturing communities where each person is valued, the solidarity of the human family and the wisdom of age are celebrated, and the compassionate love of Christ is shared with all.

Regardless of these lovely ladies’ compassionate efforts, Dean insisted the nuns were in the wrong. He also resurrected the annoying argument that Republicans are waging a ‘war on women,’ noting, however, that women are recognizing how religious employers are forcing their views on them.

“The average woman frames it that way herself. She doesn’t has to be told what the Republicans and Fox News and all these people are doing to them. They know what they’re doing to them.”

Planned Parenthood seemed to be okay with MSNBC’s misleading attack on nuns and Republicans, tweeting their approval of the segment:

CLICK LIKE IF YOU’RE PRO-LIFE!

The Planned Parenthood Federation of America is an organization with about 800 clinic locations around the country and has a budget of $1 billion – much of which goes toward abortion. Sisters of the Poor is an organization dedicated to the sanctity of life. Who’s really the bigger threat here?

Watch the whole MSNBC segment below:


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; contraception; hhs; msnbc; nuns; nutnetwork; obamacare; prolife

1 posted on 01/08/2014 9:06:25 AM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Christ and His teachings are a HUGE threat to the people that conform to this world.


2 posted on 01/08/2014 9:07:04 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Morgana

The Little Sisters are a “threat?”

LOL! I can foresee some new training targets for Homeland Security.


3 posted on 01/08/2014 9:09:20 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Morgana

Gee... Alex’s mom must be so, so fricking proud of him. Trash a bunch of nuns to defend a Kenyan Muslim.

Wonder if she’s thinking she should have seen the Planned Parenthood thing through to its certain conclusion.


4 posted on 01/08/2014 9:09:37 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Morgana

satan’s network states CHRISTIAN Nuns are a threat... YES... THEY ARE A THREAT TO EVIL!


5 posted on 01/08/2014 9:09:53 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Morgana
Little old nuns are a threat, suicide bombers in Russia are "mischief".

What an upside down world we live in.

6 posted on 01/08/2014 9:10:25 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Morgana

WTF are the Low Info Voters being conditioned for?


7 posted on 01/08/2014 9:10:48 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

So far there are very few legal challenges to Obamacare...even now when many more people now have “standing” and are being forced to pay.
I hate to say this, but I think the RATS are going to win on this issue...they will create so many new parasites that will vote with them that we will not win the midterm elections..plus the market seems to still think the health care companies are doing great and are going to make even more money..so they forecast that this thing stays on the rails.


8 posted on 01/08/2014 9:13:10 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Morgana
These nuns are a threat. And that's a good thing.

Nothing terrifies leftists more than people of morals and courage.

9 posted on 01/08/2014 9:13:31 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Morgana
"Der Ewige Jude" (The Eternal Jew). - Joseph Goebbels

MSNBC is just living up to their fascist propaganda lineage.

10 posted on 01/08/2014 9:15:46 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Morgana

So if the nuns “win”, are the pundits claiming that the employees will be prevented from getting a prescription for contraception and paying the ridiculously meager cash price? Is that what they’re saying?


11 posted on 01/08/2014 9:18:18 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Joe Brower

Religion has a long history of “threatening” Communists.


12 posted on 01/08/2014 9:18:51 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Morgana

Liberty is a threat to the plans of the master-minds.

“The meaning of peace is the absence of resistance to socialism.” — Marx


13 posted on 01/08/2014 9:19:39 AM PST by Ray76
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To: Morgana
“It seems this administration has bent over backwards to ensure that people can exercise their religion”

Yeah, bent over backwards so that the muslims don't feel threatened in the US. That's all they have been focused on. Widdle us down and make us weaker on ALL fronts so that not only can we not successfully wage a battle outside of our borders, but we cannot battle the enemy within our borders either.
14 posted on 01/08/2014 9:22:11 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Eggs Ackley! When these dead-soul people whine it exposes for whom they work, whether they realize it or not. Self-identifying by these minions is a good thing don’tchaknow. ... Now, if we could just get our fellow Americans to awaken to the reality slowly suffocating them and aborting their sovereignty


15 posted on 01/08/2014 9:23:50 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Morgana

Nuns have always been such a threat!

(Well, maybe to their students in Catholic schools), but I don’t think anyone else is threatened by them.


16 posted on 01/08/2014 9:25:23 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Morgana

Christianity stands in the way of Marxism and is a threat.

Pray America is Waking


17 posted on 01/08/2014 9:26:09 AM PST by bray ("The Republic of Texas 2022" is coming in Feb)
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To: Oldexpat

Greed at the top of the Corporate Ladder is causing a horrendous destruction of our society. Capitalism is fine, but when revenue and profit become the be-all-end-all of what’s most important, we are in for a rude awakening.

Money has trumped freedom.

Money has trumped liberty.

Money has trumped private property.


18 posted on 01/08/2014 9:27:43 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Morgana

“Women’s lives are being saved by provisions in the Affordable Care Act.”

What about the lives of future women who are being murdered on that filthy table by their ungodly mothers?


19 posted on 01/08/2014 9:27:59 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Morgana
“First of all, this is an argument about whether the Sisters of the Poor have the right to force their views of religion on all their employees."

I keep seeing this and it is absolute BS. It's the employees who are forcing their views on the employer. The employees have every ability to go buy all the contraception they want. But they want their employer to be forced to provide them with free contraception. The employer isn't forcing their views on anyone by objecting to being forced to buy someone something that violates their religious views. This needs to made clear every single time someone puts forth this bogus "forcing their views" argument.

20 posted on 01/08/2014 9:38:02 AM PST by circlecity
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To: MrB

Amen.


21 posted on 01/08/2014 9:47:10 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Morgana
" It seems this administration has bent over backwards to ensure that people can exercise their religion "
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22 posted on 01/08/2014 9:47:48 AM PST by FreedomGuru (Time for torches and pitchforks.)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

What “greed at the top of the corporate ladder”? You sound like a liberal. CEOs get paid by the Board based on whatever they wish to pay them. So what?


23 posted on 01/08/2014 9:50:13 AM PST by plain talk
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To: basil

Has this gang been put on a terrorist list yet?


24 posted on 01/08/2014 9:55:16 AM PST by Vehmgericht
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To: Morgana

So far, the regime finds the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th amendments to be threats, they’ve ignored the 9th and 10th. Somehow I expect them to start quartering troops in private homes any day now.


25 posted on 01/08/2014 10:04:16 AM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: silverleaf

The Little Sisters are a “threat?”

The flying Nun has been put on the TSA no-fly list...


26 posted on 01/08/2014 10:08:07 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Morgana

27 posted on 01/08/2014 10:09:13 AM PST by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: bray

OBAMA DESPISES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AS MUCH AS HE REVERES ISLAM

POPE PIUS XI ENCICLICAL “Divini Redemptoris” exposed and condemned the evils of Socialism

NOTRE DAME PROFESSOR ON OBAMACARE

THE CHRISTIAN POST ^ | 11/20/2013 | Laura Hollis

Obamacare Should Remind Us We Are Not ‘Subjects,’ We Are People Laura Hollis is a professor at the University of Notre Dame November 20, 2013

http://www.christianpost.com/news/obamacare-should-remind-us-we-are-not-subjects-we-are-people-109165/

• Laura Hollis is a professor at the University of Notre Dame

The unveiling of the dictatorial debacle that is Obamacare absolutely flabbergasts me. It is stunning on so many levels, but the most shocking aspect of it for me is watching millions of free Americans stand idly by while this man, his minions in Congress and his cheerleaders in the press systematically dismantle our Constitution, steal our money, and crush our freedoms.

• The President, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid (with no small help from Justice John Roberts) take away our health care, and we allow it.

• They take away our insurance, and we allow it.

• They take away our doctors, and we allow it.

• They charge us thousands of dollars more a year, and we allow it.

• They make legal products illegal, and we allow it.

• They cripple our businesses, and we allow it. • They announce by fiat that we must ignore our most deeply held beliefs – and we allow it.

Where is your spine, America ? Yes, I know people are complaining. I read the news on the internet. I read blogs.

I have a Twitter feed. So what? People in the Soviet Union complained. People in Cuba complain. People in China complain (quietly). Complaining isn’t the same thing as doing anything about it. In fact, much of the complaining that we hear sounds like resignation: Wow. This sucks. Oh well, this is the way things are. Too bad. Perhaps you need reminding of a few important facts. Here goes:

1. The President is not a king. Barack Obama does not behave like a President, an elected official, someone who realizes that he works for us. He behaves like a king, a dictator – someone who believes that his own pronouncements have the force of law, and who thinks he can dispense with the law’s enforcement when he deigns to do so. And those of us who object? How dare we? Racists!

And while he moves steadily “forward” with his plans to “fundamentally transform” the greatest country in human history, he distracts people with cheap, meaningless trivialities, like “free birth control pills”! (In fact, let’s face it: this administration’s odd obsession with sex in general - Birth control! Abortion! Sterilization! Gay guys who play basketball! — is just plain weird. Since when did the leader of the free world care so much about how people have sex, who they have it with, and what meds they use when they have it? Does he have nothing more important to concern himself with?)

2. It isn’t just a failed software program; it is a failed philosophy. People are marveling that Healthcare.gov was such a spectacular failure. Well, if one is only interested in it as a product launch, I’ve explained some of the reasons for that here. But the larger point is that it isn’t a software failure, or even a product failure; it is a philosophy failure.

I have said this before: Obama is not a centrist; he is a central planner. And this – all of it: the disastrous computer program, the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted, the lies, the manipulation of public opinion, the theft of the public’s money and property, and freedom (read insurance, and premiums, and doctors) — IS what central planning looks like. The central premise of central planning is that a handful of wunderkinds with your best interests at heart (yeah, right) know better than you what’s good for you. The failure of such a premise and the misery it causes have been clear from the dawn of humanity.

Kings and congressmen, dictators and Dear Leaders, potentates, princes and presidents can all fall prey to the same imperial impulses: “we know what is good the ‘the people.’ And they are always wrong.

There is a reason that the only times communism has really been tried have been after wars, revolutions, or coups d’état. You have to have complete chaos for people to be willing to accept the garbage that centralized planning produces. Take the Soviet Union , for example. After two wars, famine, and the collapse of the Romanov dynasty, why wouldn’t people wait in line for hours to buy size 10 shoes? Or settle for the gray matter that passed for meat in the grocery stores?

But communism’s watered-down cousin, socialism, isn’t much better. Ask the Venezuelans who cannot get toilet paper.

Toilet paper. ¡Viva la Revolución! Contrary to what so many who believe in a “living Constitution” say, the Founding Fathers absolutely understood this. That is why the Constitution was set up to limit government power. (Memo to the President: the drafters of the Constitution deliberately didn’t say “what government had to do on your behalf.”) They understood that that was the path to folly, fear, and famine.)

3. Obama is deceitful. Just as the collapse of the computer program should not surprise anyone, neither should we be shocked that the President lied about his healthcare plan. Have any of you been paying attention over the past few years? Obama has made no secret of his motivations or his methods.

The philosophies which inspire him espouse deceit and other vicious tactics. (Don’t take my word for it: read Saul Alinsky.) Obama infamously told reporter Richard Wolffe, “You know, I actually believe my own bullshit.”

He has refused to be forthcoming about his past (where are his academic records?). His own pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, told author Ed Klein, that Obama said to him, “You know what your problem is? You have to tell the truth.” Did Obama lie when he said dozens of times, “If you like you plan, you can keep it. Period!”? Of course he did. That’s what he does.

4. The media is responsible. And had the media been doing their jobs, we would have known a lot of this much, much earlier. The press is charged with the sacred responsibility of protecting the people from the excesses of government.

Our press has been complicit, incompetent, or corrupt. Had they vetted this man in 2008, as they would have a Republican candidate, we would have known far more about him than we do, even now.

Had they pressed for more details about Obamacare, Congress’ feet would have been held to the fire. Had they done their jobs about Eric Holder, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the IRS scandal, NSA spying - or any of the other myriad betrayals of the public trust that this administration has committed, Obama would likely have lost his 2012 reelection campaign. (A fact that even The Washington Post has tacitly acknowledged. Well done, fellas! Happy now?) Instead, they turned a blind eye, even when they knew he was lying, abusing power, disregarding the limits of the Constitution. It was only when he began to spy on them, and when the lies were so blatant that the lowest of low-information voters could figure it out that they realized they had to report on it. (Even in the face of blatant, deliberate and repeated lies, The New York Times has the audacity to tell us that the President “misspoke.”) They have betrayed us, abandoned us, and deceived us.

5. Ted Cruz was right. So was Sarah Palin. The computer program is a disaster. The insurance exchanges are a disaster. What’s left? The healthcare system itself. And this, of necessity, will be a disaster, too. Millions of people have lost their individual insurance plans. In 2015, millions more will lose their employer-provided coverage (a fact which the Obama administration also knew, and admitted elsewhere).

The exorbitant additional costs that Obamacare has foisted on unsuspecting Americans are all part of a plan of wealth confiscation and redistribution. That is bad enough. But it will not end there. When the numbers of people into the system and the corresponding demand for care vastly exceed the cost projections (and they will, make no mistake), then the rationing will start. Not only choice at that point, but quality and care itself will go down the tubes. And then will come the decisions made by the Independent Payment Advisory Board about what care will be covered (read “paid for”) and what will not.

That’s just a death panel, put politely. In fact, progressives are already greasing the wheels for acceptance of that miserable reality as well. They’re spreading the lie that it will be about the ability of the dying to refuse unwanted or unhelpful care. Don’t fall for that one, either. It will be about the deaths that inevitably result from decisions made by people other than the patients, their families, and their physicians. (Perhaps it’s helpful to think of their assurances this way: “If you like your end-of-life care, you can keep your end-of-life-care.”)

6. We are not SUBJECTS. (or, Nice Try, the Tea Party Isn’t Going Away). We have tolerated these incursions into our lives and livelihoods too long already. There is no end to the insatiable demand “progressives” have to remake us in their image. Today it is our insurance, our businesses, our doctors, our health care. Tomorrow some new crusade will be announced that enables them to take over other aspects of our formerly free lives.

I will say it again: WE ARE NOT SUBJECTS. Not only is the Tea Party right on the fiscal issues, but it appears that they are more relevant than ever. We fought a war once to prove we did not want to be the subjects of a king, and the Boston Tea Party was just a taste of the larger conflict to come. If some people missed that lesson in history class, we can give them a refresher. The 2014 elections are a good place to start. Call your representative, your senator, your candidate and tell them: “We are not subjects. You work for us. And if the word “REPEAL” isn’t front and center in your campaign, we won’t vote for you. Period.”

Laura Hollis is an attorney and teaches entrepreneurship and business law at the University of Notre Dame . She resides in Indiana with her husband and two children.

Finally, someone who thinks like me In this country many people have always talked about the “banana republics” (referring mostly to Central and South American countries), their revolutions, their coup d’etats, etc. But when the governments act like they have in those countries, usually that is the ONLY way to get rid of them.

In this country, up to 2008, that was not the case but since then it is rapidly going that route and the natives are not used to it nor prepared to fight it effectively. Most of those natives (and sadly quite a few natives of those banana republics) naively believe in the “checks and balances” which the usurper is quietly but swiftly doing away with.

I repeat Professor Hollis words: “Where is your spine, America ?”


28 posted on 01/08/2014 10:15:20 AM PST by Dqban22 (IVINIC)
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To: hattend
>> WTF are the Low Info Voters being conditioned for?

They're being conditioned for the official outlawing and killing of Christians in general, and Christian ministers in particular. For reference, see the communist Mexican government of Plutarco Elías Calles and its efforts to destroy the Roman Catholic Church in the 1920s.

29 posted on 01/08/2014 10:20:07 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: silverleaf
To the Maddows of MSNBC, they are.

Anything that is not according to the narrative will be banned. Heresy trials conducted by the atheists.

30 posted on 01/08/2014 10:24:17 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: MHGinTN

Absolutely true!


31 posted on 01/08/2014 10:34:12 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Oldexpat

Sure about that?


32 posted on 01/08/2014 10:46:02 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Oldexpat

Well more folks will simply do “civil disobedence” over the course of time.


33 posted on 01/08/2014 10:47:52 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Dqban22

Thank-you for your indepth comments.


34 posted on 01/08/2014 10:48:37 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Only partially correct. Money is not the goal: power is.

Money is a means to power, nothing more. What these people (and I use the word loosely) are trying to obtain is power over everyone else. And that is political power here.

And in facism, corporations and government go hand-in-hand. Really cannot separate the two. That is what we are moving toward, very rapidly.

You need to see through the fog here, or you will focus on the wrong target.


35 posted on 01/08/2014 11:32:16 AM PST by LaRueLaDue
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To: Morgana

The people at MSNBC are so stupid that it hurts me to imagine the knots they have to turn themselves into to think this way.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,


36 posted on 01/08/2014 12:01:15 PM PST by PACAP1
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To: Vehmgericht

wouldn’t surprise me at all-——we are living in strange times...


37 posted on 01/08/2014 1:17:43 PM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Dqban22

BTTT


38 posted on 01/09/2014 8:36:51 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Morgana

I keep thinking of that line from an old “All in the Family” episode.

As best I can remember, it goes:

“There’s an old legal saying... In a court of law, you can’t beat a station wagon filled with nuns.”


39 posted on 01/09/2014 8:43:42 AM PST by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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