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New book examines 'vibrant' revival of US Catholicism
cna ^ | January 10, 2014 | Carl Bunderson

Posted on 01/10/2014 10:15:47 AM PST by NYer

Christopher White and Dr. Anne Hendershott.

Christopher White and Dr. Anne Hendershott.

New York City, N.Y., Jan 10, 2014 / 04:18 am (CNA).- The story of the U.S. Catholic Church in the early 21st century is one of excitement and renewal, say two authors of a book that examines successful dioceses, bishops and priests.

“The priesthood is growing. There are also vibrant signs of life among the laity and throughout the Church. Those stories need to be told,” Christopher White, the director of education and programs at the California-based Center for Bioethics and Culture, told CNA Dec. 12.

White is the co-author of “Renewal,” a new book from Encounter Books which makes the case that Catholicism is recovering from decades of “faithless practice” and confusion.

He said this recovery is especially evident in parishes that express “a stronger Catholic identity.”  

His co-author, Anne Hendershott, who is a sociology professor and director of the Veritas Center for Ethics in Public Life at Franciscan University of Steubenville, said writing the book has given her new appreciation for U.S. Catholicism.

“I haven’t been as excited about the religion as I am now,” she said. “There have been times when I was discouraged and I believed the media presentations of the religion as being in decline.”

The book “Renewal” focuses on areas where the Catholic Church is showing revitalization. Ordination rates to the priesthood are at a 20-year high, and the average age of new priests continues to decline. Ten years ago, the Church struggled under the weight of the clergy sexual abuse scandal; now many seminaries are at full capacity.

The new generation of priests consists of men who are “wholly committed” to their vocation and consider celibacy “a grace and benefit to ministry,” White said.

“They are unafraid to be counter-cultural,” he added. “I think in previous generations...you had individuals that in some ways wanted to straddle both worlds and in some ways make the priesthood and the Church as well conform to the ways of the world.”

He drew on his own experience as a convert to Catholicism, which was “very different” from what he had heard about the Catholic faith in his upbringing and in cultural commentary.

“If you would have asked me 10 years ago to describe the Catholic Church, [I would have said it was] a dated institution with a dying membership whose teachings were confusing, whose members were negligent in the practice of their faith.”

Attending church in Manhattan, he instead found “very solid” parishes with “dynamic” parish priests.

Both John Paul II and Benedict XVI helped provide “definitive interpretations” of the Second Vatican Council, the book's authors continued. Unity and outspokenness among the bishops have increased, while dissenting Catholic factions have declined in prominence.

“Catholicism has always stood for something, but we didn’t always have bishops who were able to project that very well,” Hendershott said. “They seemed reticent, reluctant to talk about the truth of the religion. And now we have all these great priests and bishops that are talking about it. And they’re not
embarrassed about it, they’re not ashamed.”

The book emphasizes the role of bishops in creating a fruitful culture in their dioceses. It examines dioceses that have “transformational leaders,” outlining their best practices.

Bishops who are clear about Catholic teaching and “bold in defending the Church in the public square” attract more people, White said.

Hendershott stressed that Catholicism is not simply about morality and the Catechism. Rather, people are “drawn to the beauty of the religion.”

In dioceses where bishops can express this beauty through music, liturgy, and homilies, she said, “you are going to have flourishing vocations.”

She added that a demanding form of religion, rather than a lax one, tends to attract.

“The more a religion asks of believers, the more vibrant that religion will be. There’s got to be a reason for people to be part of a religion, or else they’ll just go to the movies,” she said, citing sociologist Rodney Stark.

Hendershott and White both see room for continued improvement, especially in Catholic higher education.

“Renewal is on the way, but we’re not fully there yet,” White said.

Many institutions of Catholic higher education need to do better in helping pass on the faith to future generations and encouraging new vocations, he said.

“We’ve got to get that right,” he emphasized.


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1 posted on 01/10/2014 10:15:47 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 01/10/2014 10:16:46 AM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

This is unbelievably perplexing to me. I know for a fact that at least once a week I run across an article about the decline of the faith and church membership in the U.S.

Does anyone really keep official, accurate and vetted numbers?


3 posted on 01/10/2014 10:27:30 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: NYer

This is unbelievably perplexing to me. I know for a fact that at least once a week I run across an article about the decline of the faith and church membership in the U.S.

Does anyone really keep official, accurate and vetted numbers?


4 posted on 01/10/2014 10:27:31 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: NYer

20 million Mexicans running into the room in the last 2 decades, and fanning out across the country explains it pretty well.


5 posted on 01/10/2014 10:34:48 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: NYer

Praise God for this miracle!


6 posted on 01/10/2014 11:10:59 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: DesertRhino

A small factor.


7 posted on 01/10/2014 11:11:33 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: DesertRhino
The packed to overflowing RCIA classes are the reason, not that "it's Mesikans" trash.

Christ is just about done winnowing down the Church He founded the way He winnowed down Gideons' Army and is now drawing in sincere folks who realize they've been misled.

Even more disturbing for the anti-Catholic hardcore is the fact that RCIA classes are full of young folks with families.

8 posted on 01/10/2014 11:15:39 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

As part of an RCIA team in my parish, there are 5 adults, two of whom have not been baptized, 3 others as candiates, who not finished their first 3 sacraments. A good and positive sign. All young adults.


9 posted on 01/10/2014 11:18:48 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: NYer

Plus also keep a close eye on Pope Francis, who is not afraid to preach the Gospel.


10 posted on 01/10/2014 11:20:20 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Rashputin

Rather, Christ is calling more folks to follow Him BIGTIME.


11 posted on 01/10/2014 11:21:12 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: All
“The priesthood is growing. There are also vibrant signs of life among the laity and throughout the Church. Those stories need to be told,” Christopher White, the director of education and programs at the California-based Center for Bioethics and Culture, told CNA Dec. 12.

Make up your mind! Posted just two days ago....

Current surveys and polls tell a consistent story: a large number of Catholics who attended Mass in their youth have ceased in adulthood. Many reasons are given to explain this exodus, but one spiritual reason towers above all the quotidian ones: love for God has diminished in the hearts of those who purposely stay home. In other words, they have lost the faith.
-- from the thread On Losing the Faith

12 posted on 01/10/2014 11:33:33 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

This article does not contradict the other.


13 posted on 01/10/2014 11:37:54 AM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: Rich21IE
This is unbelievably perplexing to me. I know for a fact that at least once a week I run across an article about the decline of the faith and church membership in the U.S. Does anyone really keep official, accurate and vetted numbers?

In short, no.

Vast differences in theology and accounting practices make it nearly impossible to really know how many members a church body has, whether active or occasional worshippers. That, in turn, makes side-by-side comparisons nearly impossible....Often a church's understanding of membership -- how it is started, how it is maintained and how it can be revoked -- influences counts....

....Roman Catholics, the largest U.S. church with a reported 69 million members, start counting baptized infants as members and often don't remove people until they die. Most membership surveys don't actually count who's in the pews on Sunday....That means it is possible, for example, to be born Catholic, married Methodist, die Lutheran and still be listed as a member of the 1 billion-member Roman Catholic Church. "The Catholic understanding of membership is that a person becomes a member upon baptism and remains a member for life," Gautier said. "Whether you show up at church or not is not what determines whether you're a member."
-- from the thread When It Comes to Church Membership Numbers, the Devil's in the Details

Demographer Mary Gautier of the center said counting Catholics is really more art than science because parish rolls may not be up to date. Many Catholics drift from parish to parish without formally changing their membership and often don't report deaths in their families, the newspaper said.
-- from the thread Roman Catholics total 64 million in U.S. ["counting Catholics is really more art than science"]


14 posted on 01/10/2014 11:41:34 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Biggirl; DesertRhino

The factor.

Importing 10s and 10s of millions of Catholics and their resulting families consisting of many 10s of millions, has had little effect on total Catholic numbers, since 1965 when our population was 194 million and the year of JFK’s dream, the 1965 Immigration Act, to today when we have 314 million people and entire states are becoming Hispanic, the Catholic numbers only increased by about 21 million during that half century of mass Catholic immigration.


15 posted on 01/10/2014 11:52:07 AM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

One of many factors.


16 posted on 01/10/2014 11:54:40 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: NYer

AMEN.


17 posted on 01/10/2014 11:55:38 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: NYer

Thank-you for posting this excellent article.


18 posted on 01/10/2014 11:57:42 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Alex Murphy

Give it a rest Alex Murphy, just go ahead and become Catholic already!

You can’t whine that much about numbers and be that jealous that no one listens to you without a deep seated desire, so come on aboard and count yourself a sucker. Come on home.

Nobody here cares how many Catholics there are, they just want MORE.


19 posted on 01/10/2014 12:00:41 PM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
You can’t whine that much about numbers and be that jealous that no one listens to you without a deep seated desire

Maniacal Laughter!

20 posted on 01/10/2014 12:03:46 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Rich21IE

Does anyone really keep official, accurate and vetted numbers?

No. I’ve done business with a number of churches over the years and getting a real number of attenders/members/congregants/ whatever is next to impossible. That’s not a bad thing.


21 posted on 01/10/2014 12:12:05 PM PST by The Public Eye
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To: Alex Murphy

“Demographer Mary Gautier of the center said counting Catholics is really more art than science because parish rolls may not be up to date. Many Catholics drift from parish to parish without formally changing their membership and often don’t report deaths in their families, the newspaper said.”

This isn’t really relevant to counting. I live in a small city where we have 2 primary parishes and there are 3-4 in the smaller outlying communities. We belong as members to St. Mary’s as my wife’s family helped to build that church after immigrating from Germany. However, we most often attend the church across the city as we like the hour and music at the Mass. We go back and forth and know each community fairly well. But for counting purposeds, going from parish to parish simply doesn’t matter. We are counted once in the official parish we are registered at.


22 posted on 01/10/2014 12:36:56 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: rbmillerjr
I live in a small city where we have 2 primary parishes....We belong as members to St. Mary’s as my wife’s family helped to build that church after immigrating from Germany. However, we most often attend the church across the city as we like the hour and music at the Mass. We go back and forth and know each community fairly well. But for counting purposes, going from parish to parish simply doesn’t matter. We are counted once in the official parish we are registered at.

You believe that you are being counted at St. Mary's because you are "registered" there, even though you do not attend there often. How do you know you are not also being counted by the church across the city, for being a body counted at occupying a pew, or possibly for leaving a personal check in the offering plate? How does your wife know she is no longer being counted by the church in Germany, for having been baptized as a child in that parish?

23 posted on 01/10/2014 12:45:17 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

Good questions and simply answered.

There is a registration process, which we completed upon arriving here. This is the only avenue to be listed as an official member in a parish. I would assume most parishes are organized this way.

There is flow to and fro the various churches. The priests with their limited staff, couldn’t possibly keep up with all of the attendees home churches.

If anything, my guess is that the parishes are under counted, because some people don’t read the bulletins and even officially register.


24 posted on 01/10/2014 1:00:10 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: rbmillerjr
Good questions and simply answered. There is a registration process, which we completed upon arriving here. This is the only avenue to be listed as an official member in a parish. I would assume most parishes are organized this way.

You know what they say about assumptions :) What process did you follow to have yourselves removed as official members of each previous parish, as you departed?

25 posted on 01/10/2014 1:22:24 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

We have moved three times.

Each time we moved, it was the same process. We filled out a “change of address /changing parish” form.

As the poster above wrote, you need to just come Home and try out the process for yourself....hehehe.


26 posted on 01/10/2014 1:39:38 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Most membership surveys don’t actually count who’s in the pews on Sunday”

I don’t know if it is being done elsewhere, but the Archdiocese of St. Louis has for the past two years been counting who’s in the pews.


27 posted on 01/10/2014 2:11:58 PM PST by rwa265
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To: rbmillerjr; rwa265
rbmillerjr: Each time we moved, it was the same process. We filled out a “change of address /changing parish” form.

Thanks for the clarification of how the process works in your area. In agreement with my earlier-cited sources, you've kept the books straight because you filled out the proper forms:

Many Catholics drift from parish to parish without formally changing their membership
Now allow me to point out what rwa265 says about how members are counted in his area:

rwa265: I don’t know if it is being done elsewhere, but the Archdiocese of St. Louis has for the past two years been counting who’s in the pews.

So one diocese counts membership rolls, while another counts bodies in the pew. How does the latter know whether to count that body as Catholic? Allow me to direct your attention back to those earlier-cited sources, which said:

Most membership surveys don't actually count who's in the pews on Sunday....That means it is possible, for example, to be born Catholic, married Methodist, die Lutheran and still be listed as a member of the 1 billion-member Roman Catholic Church. "The Catholic understanding of membership is that a person becomes a member upon baptism and remains a member for life," Gautier said. "Whether you show up at church or not is not what determines whether you're a member."

28 posted on 01/10/2014 3:18:26 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

rwa265: I don’t know if it is being done elsewhere, but the Archdiocese of St. Louis has for the past two years been counting who’s in the pews.


“So one diocese counts membership rolls, while another counts bodies in the pew. How does the latter know whether to count that body as Catholic? Allow me to direct your attention back to those earlier-cited sources, which said:...

Most membership surveys don’t actually count who’s in the pews on Sunday....That means it is possible, for example, to be born Catholic, married Methodist, die Lutheran and still be listed as a member of the 1 billion-member Roman Catholic Church. “The Catholic understanding of membership is that a person becomes a member upon baptism and remains a member for life,” Gautier said. “Whether you show up at church or not is not what determines whether you’re a member.” “

In order to look at this subjectively and analytically, I think we can, because either way the numbers roll out, it doesn’t really attract or detract from either of our perspectives on the Catholic Church.

Our perspectives are apart on The Church. Either way it doesn’t detract from my perspective. We don’t know whether God is going to cleanse and leave a remnant of true believers or if He will bring many in with his Mercy and Grace. So, these numbers aren’t truly important to me, as my predilection is that as secular culture takes over, both Catholic and Protestand/Evangelics/Others who stick to The Word of God...will be fewer and fewer.

In the long run, I’d rather have a smaller remnant than those who choose to come every Sunday and vote for abortionist attackers of Christianity like Obama. Don’t get me wrong, I pray for their souls and hope with humility that their delusions are taken away and they can see Light.


Now, as to the numbers...

“rwa265: I don’t know if it is being done elsewhere, but the Archdiocese of St. Louis has for the past two years been counting who’s in the pews.”

I highly doubt that this accounting is for official membership. It is more likely they want to see the percentage of parishioners that actually attend Mass and at what frequency.

But, let’s assume I am incorrect. These “pew” numbers are going to decrease the official numbers, not increase them. We already know that in every Catholic Church and in every non Catholic Church we have many more on the rolls than in the pews. This is just fact. Simply go to a Sunday Mass or Service and count up the numbers. Then go to Mass or Service on Christmas or Easter. Many more Catholics and Presbyterians simply don’t go for various reasons.

I’m pretty sure that, there is a total number per parish that can reasonably be accounted by the official rolls.

Maybe our resident FR priests, deacons, ministers could shed some light on how the operations are conducted in their respective parishes.


29 posted on 01/10/2014 4:22:22 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: NYer
I believe that some of the reports about the diminution of Catholic parishes has to do with shifts in population. In Metropolitan Phoenix area--an area of tremendous growth--masses overflow, and new church buildings are springing up to handle the demand for pew space. Vocations are alive, too.

Of course, we are blessed with an excellent Bishop and many holy priests.

Arizona State University also has a vibrant Newman Center with excellent leadership.

So I guess it all depends where the media focuses.

30 posted on 01/10/2014 5:44:08 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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31 posted on 01/10/2014 5:49:36 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: Rich21IE

Both “decline” and “vibrant revival” theories are true because the terms are defined differently.

In terms of membership, it is natural to see a decline, for given modern culture, the Church more and more is a counter-cultural institution. And indeed, we are a late antiquity-early medieval community at our core. It is a miracle anyone has stayed.

In terms of quality, there are signs of vibrancy and the authors list them: growth in priesthood, increased orthodoxy of the priests, celebration of the celibacy, stability of parishes that promote Catholic distinctives, high profile of recent popes, lots of interest in proper liturgy.

I think, the Church will continue, for a while, to shrink in numbers and grow in the faith of the Catholic remnant, which increasingly will be the light in America, and possibly the only light that is left. Thank God for that.


32 posted on 01/10/2014 6:08:02 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Biggirl

No, mass immigration is what the denomination depends on.


33 posted on 01/10/2014 6:13:33 PM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Rashputin

**The packed to overflowing RCIA classes are the reason**

Same out here in the west.


34 posted on 01/10/2014 6:42:00 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: rwa265

We also have two census Sundays — usually two weeks apart.


35 posted on 01/10/2014 6:45:59 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
It's nice to see the Usual Suspects whistling past the graveyard full of failed non-Catholic groups, though.

As usual, propagandists eventually fall for their own propaganda, in this case the "it's Mesikans an' imgrants" canard, and are stunned when reality finally hits them upside the head with a 2x4.

RCIA classes aren't packed with already faithful Catholics new to this country, they're packed with former Evangelicals and Independents who have realized that Self and Self Alone is now and always has been just a deceptive packaging of the secular humanist dogmas of "do your own thing" and "man answers to Self, not to God".

36 posted on 01/10/2014 8:20:08 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
Give it a rest Alex Murphy, just go ahead and become Catholic already!

LOL! That's like when were around 12 years old, and if a boy liked a girl, he would constantly throw orange peel at her, and pull at her bag strap.

37 posted on 01/11/2014 12:33:01 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: annalex

I think you may well have hit the nail on the head. I’ve seen anecdotal reports to the effect that once a Parish dedicates just one Mass a week to the Latin Mass, attendance suddenly jumps up. Orthodoxy works because its rich in meaning and context and people really want something they can sink their teeth into.

As for the Church to be the last remaining light in the US, I’m not so sure the Gov’t won’t intervene to kill that light or at least, hide it under a bushel basket of regulations. Hasn’t that been the Canadian experience? or not. I don’t know.


38 posted on 01/11/2014 8:12:22 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: Salvation

I wonder how many other dioceses/archdioceses are conducting physical counts. I would guess that if two are doing it, several others would also be doing it.


39 posted on 01/11/2014 8:42:01 AM PST by rwa265
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To: Rich21IE
intervene to kill that light

Well, of course. It is "intervening to kill" now. Governments want pocket churches, uncentralized and without hierarchy; they don't want the Catholic Church.

However, the Church never lost a battle; we won't lose this one.

40 posted on 01/11/2014 8:46:26 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Rich21IE; Alex Murphy; The Public Eye; annalex
Kenneth Jones authored/published “Index of Leading Catholic Indicators; The Church Since Vatican II” in 2003. He gathered statistics showing the decline of priests and religious, schools, and other numbers, principally in the US. Remarkably, the number of young men entering the priesthood declined by over 90%. Here's a quote: “In 1965 there were 6.30 diocesan seminarians for every 10,000 Catholics, in 2002 there were 0.51 - a decline of 92%.” In actual numbers, it declined (1965-2002) from 28,762 to 3,359. I've not heard of anyone who disputes his findings.

There is of course enthusiasm for the increased number of vocations, and faithful participation, in recent years. Yet sadly, it is still a long way from the Church before Vatican II.

41 posted on 01/11/2014 8:50:49 AM PST by Daffy
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To: Daffy
principally in the US.

A key point. US Catholics represent about 9% of all Catholics. Worldwide, the Church and vocations are growing, mainly in Africa and China.

42 posted on 01/11/2014 8:52:50 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Daffy
it is still a long way from the Church before Vatican II.

Indeed. We praise God for what He is willing to give. Maybe in the next 40 years He will give us wisdom, too.

43 posted on 01/11/2014 9:41:54 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Rich21IE; Alex Murphy; The Public Eye

I should have pinged you to the above, sorry.


44 posted on 01/11/2014 11:20:01 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Daffy; Gamecock
Kenneth Jones authored/published “Index of Leading Catholic Indicators; The Church Since Vatican II” in 2003. He gathered statistics showing the decline of priests and religious, schools, and other numbers, principally in the US.

Free Republic thread on his study: The Incredible Shrinking Catholic Church [Kenneth C. Jones, 2003]

Remarkably, the number of young men entering the priesthood declined by over 90%. Here's a quote: “In 1965 there were 6.30 diocesan seminarians for every 10,000 Catholics, in 2002 there were 0.51 - a decline of 92%.” In actual numbers, it declined (1965-2002) from 28,762 to 3,359. I've not heard of anyone who disputes his findings. There is of course enthusiasm for the increased number of vocations, and faithful participation, in recent years. Yet sadly, it is still a long way from the Church before Vatican II.

A drop of 90% means that a seminary could enthusiastically brag of a 300% increase in enrollment in later years, putting a positive spin on the fact that enrollments are still down by 70%.

45 posted on 01/11/2014 11:43:15 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: ansel12

Your opinion and your opinion alone.


46 posted on 01/14/2014 9:31:24 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: annalex

AMEN to that!


47 posted on 01/14/2014 9:34:09 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Rashputin

“It’s nice to see the Usual Suspects whistling past the graveyard full of failed non-Catholic groups, though.
As usual, propagandists eventually fall for their own propaganda, in this case the “it’s Mesikans an’ imgrants” canard, and are stunned when reality finally hits them upside the head with a 2x4.

RCIA classes aren’t packed with already faithful Catholics new to this country, they’re packed with former Evangelicals and Independents who have realized that Self and Self Alone is now and always has been just a deceptive packaging of the secular humanist dogmas of “do your own thing” and “man answers to Self, not to God”.

The RCIA group and I co-instruct have 5 YOUNG adults involved. This confirms what you have said. People hunger and search for what is TRUE.


48 posted on 01/14/2014 9:36:43 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

No it isn’t, it is just the actual fact, as Americans leave Catholicism, mass immigration importing 10s of millions of them and their families, and future families, still result in Catholic shrinkage.

It isn’t like no one ever looks at these numbers, or collects the data.


49 posted on 01/14/2014 10:40:07 AM PST by ansel12
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