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Pastor defends Obama comments
Baptist Press ^ | Jan 10, 2014 | Bonnie Pritchett

Posted on 01/11/2014 7:05:20 PM PST by Graybeard58

DALLAS (BP)-- Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress defended statements he made in his forthcoming book charging President Barack Obama's policies have "paved the way" for the coming usurpation of religious liberties and moral law by the Antichrist.

Critics balked at naming Obama and the Antichrist in the same sentence. But noted theologians said Jeffress' example, when read in context, properly frames end-time prophecies in light of current events.

"I don't sit around in my office thinking up controversies. But I do use controversy to shine the light on Jesus Christ," Jeffress, the pastor of the 11,000-member First Baptist Church of Dallas, said Thursday (Jan. 9).

Jeffress knew the quotes issued by the publishing company for his new book, "Perfect Ending: Why your eternal future matters today," would be provocative, but he approved their use in the press release. No stranger to controversy, Jeffress drew attention during the 2012 presidential elections when he referred to Mormonism as a cult. And, on the eve of the election, he warned his congregation against voting for Obama. Jeffress stands by his comments, arguing each ensuing media eruption allowed him to share the Gospel from a national platform.

With the Jan. 6 release of a press statement by Worthy Publishing, Jeffress has come under fire yet again. Using current events to illustrate how a future world ruler could easily subvert moral law, Jeffress named names.

"Although President Obama is certainly not the Antichrist, his policies are paving the way for the Antichrist," Jeffress stated in the book.

President of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary Paige Patterson said, "I understand what Jeffress is saying."

Agreeing with the overall message, Patterson said he would have couched it in broader terms. As Western governments grow in power and influence -- beyond the limited authority intended by God -- there is a corresponding decrease in individual freedom.

"To exceed that has always been dangerous and portends a day when government will be irresistible and totally corrupt," Patterson said. "Is the Obama administration guilty? Yes, and so are almost all Western governments."

Craig Blaising, a Southwestern Seminary professor of eschatology and theology and member of First Baptist Dallas, said the pastor's comments are nothing new or out of character. Jeffress preached a similar sermon series in 2013.

"Dr. Jeffress was not identifying the Antichrist and he emphatically said so," Blaising said.

In the book and from the pulpit Jeffress revealed a pattern of influence that allows a leader to overturn religious and moral laws. Using a current president as an example is acceptable and prudent, Blaising said.

Patterson said, "If mentioning present sitting politicians in an effort to identify them with someone in Scripture, that is a failed policy and a hermeneutical mistake.... But as I understand it, Pastor Jeffress did not make that mistake. He simply pointed out that some of the policies of the Obama administration were clearly [contrary to] the Bible and set the stage for the coming of a world ruler."

In researching the book Jeffress questioned how the Antichrist would be able to thwart political and personal resolve, forcing people to subjugate their will to the collective will of government with so little opposition. He found the answers in recent U.S. legislation.

"Jeffress describes how our current political leaders are enacting laws and issuing court orders that offend or trespass against God's Law as shown in the Book of Daniel -- such as the baker in Colorado who was ordered, against his religious convictions, to create a cake for a gay wedding or face punitive fines," the press release stated.

Jeffress told Baptist Press that for too long pastors have neglected to speak authoritatively and accurately about biblical eschatology. Failed attempts by end-time prognosticators in the 1970s and 1980s to name names and predict the coming of Christ embarrassed many pastors and theologians into silence. But in that void has risen more false teachings, Jeffress said.

The pastor said he wanted to enlighten and engage Christians, not forecast the coming apocalypse.

"I am not Harold Camping reincarnated," Jeffress quipped, referring to the widely popular radio Bible teacher who predicted the world would end May 21, 2011. Camping died last year on Dec. 15.

Blaising said, "There are a whole lot of people saying a lot of things that are not supported by the Bible. They may have a little bit of truth with a lot of imagination."

Pastors need to speak the truth about end times and can do so as an effective apologetic approach to witnessing. But Blaising said there will be increasing pushback from an increasingly secular society.

"There is a great effort underway to control public discourse and silence Christians," he said.

The only "acceptable" speech is that which gives recognition to select groups the society deems worthy of promotion. Christians are not among that group and so their speech is disallowed regardless of the truth or merit of its content, Blaising said. And it is that context into which Jeffress' statements were cast.

But that reality should not stymie Christians, Jeffress said.

"The truth is always provocative," he added. "The desire for political correctness should not trump the message of truth."

Patterson concluded, "To single out the leader of the Western World and call attention to the unbiblical policies of his administration is certainly no different than what biblical prophets did including John the Baptist. Policies have promoters and simply to act as though this were not the case is also a mistake."


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I didn't know whether to put this in news, chat or religion, so I flipped a three sided coin and here it is in religion.
1 posted on 01/11/2014 7:05:20 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: BwanaNdege

Re: our recent chat. I thought this article might be of interest to you. If not, forgive the ping.


2 posted on 01/11/2014 7:06:57 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Graybeard58
The headline is clear: The pastor likes Obama, defends the president, and hopes for a third term.

The article itself ... slightly different.

3 posted on 01/11/2014 7:07:44 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: Graybeard58

Why would he have to defend it?

it’s already happening


4 posted on 01/11/2014 7:08:02 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Graybeard58
Pastor Jeffress nailed it in all but one respect. Obama is not clearing the way for the Anti-Christ, he is verily the spawn of Satan himself!





"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

5 posted on 01/11/2014 7:11:00 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yes, I had trouble with the head line too but I just copy and paste.


6 posted on 01/11/2014 7:15:24 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: ClearCase_guy

That is one of the worst headlines ever.
He was my pastor at First Baptist Wichita Falls, TX for about fifteen years.
He is one of the most courageous, intelligent, and vocal evangelical leaders in the country.
God bless Dr. J.


7 posted on 01/11/2014 7:18:09 PM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Clump; Graybeard58
The headline got to me as well, until I read the article. God Bless Pastor Jeffress - he is truly doing the Lord's work!



"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

8 posted on 01/11/2014 7:21:11 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Graybeard58

I’m not a fundamentalist, but, yes, I do believe Obama’s Double-Header election to the presidency portends and confirms the majority character of our country is in a lethal war with it’s self. May the best civilization win. I consider the traditional civilization, openly inspired by the bible and the torah to be the potentially the best civilization there has ever been. We will get through this period of having our president trying to destroy all that is good and constructive in America. We needed this time of reckoning. He, Obama, is a reflection of how far we have fallen. Not in every little aspect of his life, no, but in the ideals he espouses, and in the manner he strives to ignore or take away our individual voices on how to live our own lives.


9 posted on 01/11/2014 7:27:09 PM PST by lee martell
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To: Graybeard58

The pastor said he wanted to enlighten and engage Christians, not forecast the coming apocalypse.

******

Well that’s not what the old time Southern Baptists used to preach. This Pastor is trying to be too PC for me. Call the devil out or stop talking.


10 posted on 01/11/2014 7:29:47 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Graybeard58

seems to me that Jeffress has made some valid points.


11 posted on 01/11/2014 7:30:12 PM PST by Nifster
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To: ConorMacNessa

amen and amen


12 posted on 01/11/2014 7:30:50 PM PST by Nifster
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To: ClearCase_guy

Bonnie Pritchett wrote the article. Her editor wrote the headline. I expect Bonnie isn’t happy with the headline. The editor is likely your garden variety 0bamunist.


13 posted on 01/11/2014 7:33:35 PM PST by shove_it (old Old Guardsman 1962-63)
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To: Graybeard58

I think this is appropriate.

Sounds like an interesting book.


14 posted on 01/11/2014 7:36:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: JouleZ

This pastor is exactly the opposite of “PC”. He tells it like he sees it with no consideration for “PC”.


15 posted on 01/11/2014 7:47:07 PM PST by slouper
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To: Graybeard58
Jeffress knew the quotes issued by the publishing company for his new book, "Perfect Ending: Why your eternal future matters today," would be provocative, but he approved their use in the press release. No stranger to controversy, Jeffress drew attention during the 2012 presidential elections when he referred to Mormonism as a cult. And, on the eve of the election, he warned his congregation against voting for Obama. Jeffress stands by his comments, arguing each ensuing media eruption allowed him to share the Gospel from a national platform.

With the Jan. 6 release of a press statement by Worthy Publishing, Jeffress has come under fire yet again. Using current events to illustrate how a future world ruler could easily subvert moral law, Jeffress named names. "Although President Obama is certainly not the Antichrist, his policies are paving the way for the Antichrist," Jeffress stated in the book.

PFL

16 posted on 01/11/2014 7:48:24 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: ConorMacNessa

According to scripture, the devil is the master of all lies and deceptions. Obama is just a warm up act for the Anti-Christ. He has learned well from his master.


17 posted on 01/11/2014 7:49:06 PM PST by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: Graybeard58

Obama doesn’t have the work ethic needed to be Anti-Christ.


18 posted on 01/11/2014 7:55:37 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: slouper

He’s PC if he won’t call a demon what it is. He skirts calling Obama a demon or the devil...that’s his opinion. My opinion is he is being PC.


19 posted on 01/11/2014 8:06:38 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Graybeard58

The Antichrist could be anyone.

Technically, all Jeffress can say is he’s not manifested himself as the Antichrist - yet.

It *could* be him ... or, BION, one other guy came to the same conclusion as I noticed, that Tony Blair, yep, is making some serious headlines in event surrrounding what is to come.

They even wanted him for prez of the E.U., bank, etc. He does full-time Quartet duty and has purchased a permanent home in Jerusalem to save money for all the staff. He even has a religious angle with his “dialog” stuff.

Interesting, in this day and age.


20 posted on 01/11/2014 8:15:34 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The headline is clear: The pastor likes Obama, defends the president, and hopes for a third term.

WOW! Where did you get that from the title?

The article itself ... slightly different.

Big time different that your imaginary title and what is 'clear' to you alone!

21 posted on 01/11/2014 8:23:34 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Clump

I agree although it’s the first time I heard of him. He’s right on, nonetheless. Nice to chat with one who had him as a pastor. NOTHING beats The Truth being spoken in the midst of an overload of deception and PC.

I learned something - Camping died - I didn’t know that.


22 posted on 01/11/2014 8:33:40 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: slouper; JouleZ
This pastor is exactly the opposite of “PC”. He tells it like he sees it with no consideration for “PC”.

Your comment deserves a major truth bump!

23 posted on 01/11/2014 8:38:52 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Graybeard58

Anyone who does not understand that Obama seeks to destroy Christianity in America isn’t really trying...............


24 posted on 01/11/2014 9:02:55 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Well said!


25 posted on 01/11/2014 9:32:24 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: presently no screen name
I think I read it the same way - I took “Pastor defends Obama comments” as “Pastor defends comments made by Obama” rather than comments the pastor made about Obama.

I clicked on the link expecting to read about some “pastor” defending the indefensible.

26 posted on 01/11/2014 9:56:27 PM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: Graybeard58
To add an additional dimension to the discussion about Obama either paving the way for the Anti-Christ - or perhaps even being the One himself:

The Islamic messiah - biblical Christians would know him as the Anti-Christ

He is half black, half white. He is tall and strides with a lope. He possesses dead eyes and prominent ears. His background is both obscure and exotic. He is persuasively eloquent and is adept at saying one thing while doing another. His head swivels from side to side when addressing the multitudes, as if reading from prepared texts no doubt lowered from on high and inscribed by the Lord or one of his angels. He gives the distinct impression of being a man-child. He is supremely confident and exudes a certain boyish charm many find irresistible. He is devoted to popular sports involving holes and nets as emblems of ensnaring. He bows frequently in false humility, cajoling the high and mighty of the earth, yet brooks no objection to his will when dissent is offered. He is to be found in many different places from one day to another. He is surrounded by loyal minions, many of whom appear to be imbeciles, who do his bidding without question or scruple. He occupies the seat of power.

...All his actions are directed toward igniting the flames that wait to engulf the world. He diligently undermines the laws, security and prosperity of the people he ostensibly represents, and turns one against the other, sowing discord among the populace. He betrays his friends and allies and renders them vulnerable to international predators. He sponsors and supports warlike groups and aggressive regimes that seek world hegemony. He is an undeclared enemy of the Jewish people and the Jewish state. He is a great friend to Islam in its march toward imposing a caliphate upon unsuspecting nations. He welcomes the black flag and the yellow flag into the sanctum of domestic authority, distributing office among his Muslim acolytes. He smiles upon the ayatollahs and signs agreements that facilitate their holy designs to kindle universal violence and establish God’s kingdom on earth.

He has been schooled at the feet of prophets and sages and learned from the masters of canon and creed. He is the repository of sacred teachings and potent incantations, and is adept at uttering sonorous phrases that please as they befuddle. He is the embodiment of consecrated, numinous and venerable doctrine. He is no longer Hidden but exults among us in all his glory. He is the bringer of chaos and the last days. He will inaugurate a new world order.

27 posted on 01/11/2014 10:10:56 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Gil4
I took “Pastor defends Obama comments” as “Pastor defends comments made by Obama” rather than comments the pastor made about Obama.

That is understandable but not this...The headline is clear: The pastor likes Obama, defends the president, and hopes for a third term. That is reading into something that simply is not there!

28 posted on 01/11/2014 10:48:16 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Graybeard58
Critics balked at naming Obama and the Antichrist in the same sentence.

I can understand the objection. Can you imagine how the Prince of Darkness must feel? Satan is supposed to be God's adversary, and the poor guy is being compared to a drug-addled communist who is just as evil but too lazy to do much about it most days. I'll bet the Antichrist sounds like Rodney Dangerfield, muttering about "no respect" when he hears that comparison.

29 posted on 01/12/2014 3:18:21 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Clump

Sounds to me like he’s not scared to tell it the way it is.


30 posted on 01/12/2014 3:32:55 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: presently no screen name
That is reading into something that simply is not there!

It's called the internet. People say things to make a point. We don't have tone of voice, facial expression or body language. So we emphasize our point in any way we can. My point (as several other posters had no trouble seeing) was that the headline seemed to imply that a pastor was coming to Obama's defense and was perhaps explaining that Obama's comments (on some unknown topic) were worthy of defense by a pastor. I say it was an ill-chosen headline.

The internet -- eventually you'll get used to it.

31 posted on 01/12/2014 5:57:46 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: presently no screen name

You can look up Robert Jeffress on YouTube.
Ever since he got hired as head pastor of First Baptist Dallas he has been more and more visible on the national scene.
He is the real deal.
It was nice to have him at church for lots of reasons. But my favorite was that the few libs we had left because they couldn’t handle him telling the truth.
He really is a terrific preacher too. And he never backs away from talking about politics and what is going on in society.


32 posted on 01/12/2014 6:16:40 AM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Graybeard58

Good for Jeffress, I applaud him for saying this...and for what he said previously about Mormonism.
Obama’s socialism and antichristianism is indeed paving the way for antichrist. There is a reason satan’s antichrist one world system is painted in red, the color of commmunism/socialism (Rev. 12).

Why the false title of this thread, Graybeard?


33 posted on 01/12/2014 6:34:32 AM PST by sasportas
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Why the false title of this thread, Graybeard?

I didn't author the title, I just copy and paste. It could have been better written but:

"Pastor defends Obama comments" is close enough, I only had to read a few lines to understand what the head line writer meant.

"Pastor defends Obama's comments would have meant something entirely different.

"Pastor defends his comments about Obama", would have been much clearer.

34 posted on 01/12/2014 8:05:56 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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