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Pastor defends Obama comments
Baptist Press ^ | Jan 10, 2014 | Bonnie Pritchett

Posted on 01/11/2014 7:05:20 PM PST by Graybeard58

DALLAS (BP)-- Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress defended statements he made in his forthcoming book charging President Barack Obama's policies have "paved the way" for the coming usurpation of religious liberties and moral law by the Antichrist.

Critics balked at naming Obama and the Antichrist in the same sentence. But noted theologians said Jeffress' example, when read in context, properly frames end-time prophecies in light of current events.

"I don't sit around in my office thinking up controversies. But I do use controversy to shine the light on Jesus Christ," Jeffress, the pastor of the 11,000-member First Baptist Church of Dallas, said Thursday (Jan. 9).

Jeffress knew the quotes issued by the publishing company for his new book, "Perfect Ending: Why your eternal future matters today," would be provocative, but he approved their use in the press release. No stranger to controversy, Jeffress drew attention during the 2012 presidential elections when he referred to Mormonism as a cult. And, on the eve of the election, he warned his congregation against voting for Obama. Jeffress stands by his comments, arguing each ensuing media eruption allowed him to share the Gospel from a national platform.

With the Jan. 6 release of a press statement by Worthy Publishing, Jeffress has come under fire yet again. Using current events to illustrate how a future world ruler could easily subvert moral law, Jeffress named names.

"Although President Obama is certainly not the Antichrist, his policies are paving the way for the Antichrist," Jeffress stated in the book.

President of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary Paige Patterson said, "I understand what Jeffress is saying."

Agreeing with the overall message, Patterson said he would have couched it in broader terms. As Western governments grow in power and influence -- beyond the limited authority intended by God -- there is a corresponding decrease in individual freedom.

"To exceed that has always been dangerous and portends a day when government will be irresistible and totally corrupt," Patterson said. "Is the Obama administration guilty? Yes, and so are almost all Western governments."

Craig Blaising, a Southwestern Seminary professor of eschatology and theology and member of First Baptist Dallas, said the pastor's comments are nothing new or out of character. Jeffress preached a similar sermon series in 2013.

"Dr. Jeffress was not identifying the Antichrist and he emphatically said so," Blaising said.

In the book and from the pulpit Jeffress revealed a pattern of influence that allows a leader to overturn religious and moral laws. Using a current president as an example is acceptable and prudent, Blaising said.

Patterson said, "If mentioning present sitting politicians in an effort to identify them with someone in Scripture, that is a failed policy and a hermeneutical mistake.... But as I understand it, Pastor Jeffress did not make that mistake. He simply pointed out that some of the policies of the Obama administration were clearly [contrary to] the Bible and set the stage for the coming of a world ruler."

In researching the book Jeffress questioned how the Antichrist would be able to thwart political and personal resolve, forcing people to subjugate their will to the collective will of government with so little opposition. He found the answers in recent U.S. legislation.

"Jeffress describes how our current political leaders are enacting laws and issuing court orders that offend or trespass against God's Law as shown in the Book of Daniel -- such as the baker in Colorado who was ordered, against his religious convictions, to create a cake for a gay wedding or face punitive fines," the press release stated.

Jeffress told Baptist Press that for too long pastors have neglected to speak authoritatively and accurately about biblical eschatology. Failed attempts by end-time prognosticators in the 1970s and 1980s to name names and predict the coming of Christ embarrassed many pastors and theologians into silence. But in that void has risen more false teachings, Jeffress said.

The pastor said he wanted to enlighten and engage Christians, not forecast the coming apocalypse.

"I am not Harold Camping reincarnated," Jeffress quipped, referring to the widely popular radio Bible teacher who predicted the world would end May 21, 2011. Camping died last year on Dec. 15.

Blaising said, "There are a whole lot of people saying a lot of things that are not supported by the Bible. They may have a little bit of truth with a lot of imagination."

Pastors need to speak the truth about end times and can do so as an effective apologetic approach to witnessing. But Blaising said there will be increasing pushback from an increasingly secular society.

"There is a great effort underway to control public discourse and silence Christians," he said.

The only "acceptable" speech is that which gives recognition to select groups the society deems worthy of promotion. Christians are not among that group and so their speech is disallowed regardless of the truth or merit of its content, Blaising said. And it is that context into which Jeffress' statements were cast.

But that reality should not stymie Christians, Jeffress said.

"The truth is always provocative," he added. "The desire for political correctness should not trump the message of truth."

Patterson concluded, "To single out the leader of the Western World and call attention to the unbiblical policies of his administration is certainly no different than what biblical prophets did including John the Baptist. Policies have promoters and simply to act as though this were not the case is also a mistake."


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I didn't know whether to put this in news, chat or religion, so I flipped a three sided coin and here it is in religion.
1 posted on 01/11/2014 7:05:20 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: BwanaNdege

Re: our recent chat. I thought this article might be of interest to you. If not, forgive the ping.


2 posted on 01/11/2014 7:06:57 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Graybeard58
The headline is clear: The pastor likes Obama, defends the president, and hopes for a third term.

The article itself ... slightly different.

3 posted on 01/11/2014 7:07:44 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: Graybeard58

Why would he have to defend it?

it’s already happening


4 posted on 01/11/2014 7:08:02 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Graybeard58
Pastor Jeffress nailed it in all but one respect. Obama is not clearing the way for the Anti-Christ, he is verily the spawn of Satan himself!





"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

5 posted on 01/11/2014 7:11:00 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yes, I had trouble with the head line too but I just copy and paste.


6 posted on 01/11/2014 7:15:24 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: ClearCase_guy

That is one of the worst headlines ever.
He was my pastor at First Baptist Wichita Falls, TX for about fifteen years.
He is one of the most courageous, intelligent, and vocal evangelical leaders in the country.
God bless Dr. J.


7 posted on 01/11/2014 7:18:09 PM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Clump; Graybeard58
The headline got to me as well, until I read the article. God Bless Pastor Jeffress - he is truly doing the Lord's work!



"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

8 posted on 01/11/2014 7:21:11 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Mlichael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Graybeard58

I’m not a fundamentalist, but, yes, I do believe Obama’s Double-Header election to the presidency portends and confirms the majority character of our country is in a lethal war with it’s self. May the best civilization win. I consider the traditional civilization, openly inspired by the bible and the torah to be the potentially the best civilization there has ever been. We will get through this period of having our president trying to destroy all that is good and constructive in America. We needed this time of reckoning. He, Obama, is a reflection of how far we have fallen. Not in every little aspect of his life, no, but in the ideals he espouses, and in the manner he strives to ignore or take away our individual voices on how to live our own lives.


9 posted on 01/11/2014 7:27:09 PM PST by lee martell
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To: Graybeard58

The pastor said he wanted to enlighten and engage Christians, not forecast the coming apocalypse.

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Well that’s not what the old time Southern Baptists used to preach. This Pastor is trying to be too PC for me. Call the devil out or stop talking.


10 posted on 01/11/2014 7:29:47 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Graybeard58

seems to me that Jeffress has made some valid points.


11 posted on 01/11/2014 7:30:12 PM PST by Nifster
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To: ConorMacNessa

amen and amen


12 posted on 01/11/2014 7:30:50 PM PST by Nifster
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To: ClearCase_guy

Bonnie Pritchett wrote the article. Her editor wrote the headline. I expect Bonnie isn’t happy with the headline. The editor is likely your garden variety 0bamunist.


13 posted on 01/11/2014 7:33:35 PM PST by shove_it (old Old Guardsman 1962-63)
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To: Graybeard58

I think this is appropriate.

Sounds like an interesting book.


14 posted on 01/11/2014 7:36:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: JouleZ

This pastor is exactly the opposite of “PC”. He tells it like he sees it with no consideration for “PC”.


15 posted on 01/11/2014 7:47:07 PM PST by slouper
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To: Graybeard58
Jeffress knew the quotes issued by the publishing company for his new book, "Perfect Ending: Why your eternal future matters today," would be provocative, but he approved their use in the press release. No stranger to controversy, Jeffress drew attention during the 2012 presidential elections when he referred to Mormonism as a cult. And, on the eve of the election, he warned his congregation against voting for Obama. Jeffress stands by his comments, arguing each ensuing media eruption allowed him to share the Gospel from a national platform.

With the Jan. 6 release of a press statement by Worthy Publishing, Jeffress has come under fire yet again. Using current events to illustrate how a future world ruler could easily subvert moral law, Jeffress named names. "Although President Obama is certainly not the Antichrist, his policies are paving the way for the Antichrist," Jeffress stated in the book.

PFL

16 posted on 01/11/2014 7:48:24 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: ConorMacNessa

According to scripture, the devil is the master of all lies and deceptions. Obama is just a warm up act for the Anti-Christ. He has learned well from his master.


17 posted on 01/11/2014 7:49:06 PM PST by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: Graybeard58

Obama doesn’t have the work ethic needed to be Anti-Christ.


18 posted on 01/11/2014 7:55:37 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: slouper

He’s PC if he won’t call a demon what it is. He skirts calling Obama a demon or the devil...that’s his opinion. My opinion is he is being PC.


19 posted on 01/11/2014 8:06:38 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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