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Posted on 01/13/2014 6:41:11 AM PST by Gamecock
Dear Mr. and Mrs. Lutheran Baby Boomer,
I hear you say a lot of things about people my age in the church, people 30 and under. I hear you say them and I really am listeningmostlybut in my head, Im usually thinking, WHAT? and Aw heck. and Here we go again.
Thats because youre being silly.
Its silly to say, Our church needs to cater to the younger crowd. No, you dont. You are not the crowd whisperer. The crowd either (a) wants the good stuff, so theres no need to cater, or (b) isnt going to like the good stuff whether you cater to it or not. This isnt grade school. You dont have to try to be hip and cool so that others will like you. Just be you. Be Lutheran. Its quite freeing.
Plus, when you start catering, you make yourself inconsequential because youre just like everybody else. When you dont cater, you stand out from the crowd. And as a Here-I-Stand kind of Lutheran, I am all about being the salmon swimming against the cultural current. And hey. Youre a boomer. Wasnt your generation the one that made its name by sticking it to the man?
Its also silly to say things like, Churches should be more relaxed. Young people like relaxed. I dont. I dont want my church relaxed. If I wanted it relaxed, Id go to a spa to worship. Or Applebees. Or my couch. I want my church at full attention, because it ought to be, because Jesus is actually there, present among us in the Divine Service, and that is a big.freaking.deal.
Its silly to say, Well, that Methodist church down the road does . . . Thats lovely. Let the Methodists be Methodists and the Baptists be Baptists. Methodists arent Baptists, and Baptists arent Methodists. Lutherans dont do what the Methodists are doing . . . because Lutherans arent Methodists.
Its silly to say, If something doesnt change, this church is going to close. It might close. Youre right. But that doesnt mean anything about the church itself is wrong or needs to change. Why do we always assume the problem is with the church and never with us?
Its silly, no, its really annoying when people say, You went to the seminary and did all that work, and now youre not a pastor? We really need more roles for women in the church. Actually, I went to the seminary to learn about why Lutherans DONT believe women should be pastors, and Ill be the loudest proponent of a male-only, biblical model of the Office of the Holy Ministry youll ever meet. Women have pa-lenty to do in the church. Just because the jobs may not be flashy or because society says women should be breaking glasses ceilings doesnt mean we need to create new work that the men really should be doing. And dont get me started on my rant about how men dont man up in church. Because thats silly too.
I know you care about your church; thats why youre trying to drum up things to change about it. You want it to do well, to thrive, and you have good intentions.
But if anything is misunderstood here, its not hipsters. Its the Church. The true Church will keep right on doing what shes been doing for thousands of yearspreaching the Gospel, teaching the faith, administering the Sacramentswhether you try to change things or not. Shell do her forgiveness thing, and shell be good at it.
And in the meantime, well just be here . . . being silly. The variable is us. Will we ever stop fretting about change and numbers and youth and AGH! long enough to sit back in the pew, forget about what time brunch at the country club starts, and simply receive what God has to give? We ought to. We better.
The Lord knows what Hes doing. The Church is His. He will safeguard it, guide it, and do with it as He sees fit. So lets lay off all the unnecessary and silly little fixes, shall we? Instead, lets go to the spa or Applebees, have ourselves a pedicure or a beer, and revel in what our Lord does well . . . because theres a lot of it.
All of it, really.
A Concerned Millenial
Try this on for size: Just be you. Be [Baptist, Presbyterian, or any other denomination]. Its quite freeing.
Be anything you want ,
BE SALT AND LIGHT!
It's the attitude we've (our independent, fundamental) congregtion has had since I've been here (18+ years) and we refuse to change.
I can only hope there ARE millrnials that feel/think this way.
He may want to address his comments to a wider audience though. The youngest boomers are 52 years old.
Culture changes. The church needs to change with the culture to relate to the people in the culture. Since they are part of the culture, this should not be a problem. Now, if it violates the bible, that’s different.
I’m sixty and the hymns they sing in my church drive me nuts. I’d like music I could more relate to. And some of those hymns are musically (and lyrically) pretty bad. And there is one hugely miss-translated word in the KJV that has found itself into every third or fourth song in our hymnal: Mansion. I cringe every time I see it.
It’s ok for a church to change within it’s culture, as long as it does not violate Jesus’ commandments. And staying withe the old, just because it’s old, well, Jesus had an interesting attitude about the “traditions of men”.
BE SALT AND LIGHT!
Agreed, Paul said to be all things to all people, that's why I don't get worked up over different worship styles, as long as there is no compromise to the Gospel.
Ouch ... what word ?
Mansion. interpretting the original Greek word as “mansion” is like interpreting a greek word for “horseless carriage” as “limosine”. The interpretters had an agenda. It may have benn a harmless one, but the word is a gross stretch of an interpretation. “Room”, or “Dwelling place” would be much more appropriate.
I suppose they just thought that any living space in Heaven would be like a mansion. But they forget that such a concept may actually be completely irrelevant to us once we are there.
Go find that church that challenges you to grow in Christ.
I’m Catholic, and I HATE our liturgy. The music is in keys for castrati, we threw away Mozart and Handel for kumbayah bullshit gay Jesuits from OH-ree-gaan, and don’t even ask me about the “sign of peace” or as I like to call it, the sign of compliance.
My wife’s been telling me the Catholic Church has been going to you-know-where in a hand-basket ever since they dumped the Latin and started the Guitar Masses.
I've gone through this process and put in my two cents worth (and more), and lo and behold, we have a new music director. The priest was already outstanding.
Few of the songs in our hymnal are from Mozart or Handel. I think the music in the church during any time or culture needs to be in harmony with the music of the culture to at least some degree. I’m not talking about the lyrics here.
BTW, having been the music director at one church and involved in music in every church I’ve attended, I can tell you that the most contentious thing in church is the music. And rightly so.
The purpose of the church isn’t to serve the congregation - it’s the duty of the congregation to serve the Church. Thus, both ultimately serve God. You’re there to serve not be served.
The purpose of the church isnt to serve the congregation
The Church members are to serve the Church, the Church is to preach the Gospel to the congregation.
I certainly have no objection to that - I agree. I also believe that the Church is also a corporate opportunity to worship God and gives the members (who ARE the church) an opportunity to lift up each other. How will we know which of our Christian brothers and sisters need our help and prayers if we don't fellowship with them?
I’ve hated the “sign of peace” since it first appeared in 1969. Phony, unsanitary, & interruptive of the flow of the holy liturgy.
Would so like to return “peace be with you” with “go f*** yourself”. More sincere & heartfelt.
Now our local church that looks like a converted basketball gym askss us to “turn around and greet your fellow worshippers before Mass begins, to make them feel more at home!”
Ask me what I think of applause and laughter during the homily or announcements.
I also believe that the Church is also a corporate opportunity to worship God and gives the members (who ARE the church) an opportunity to lift up each other.
The congregation, to the extent they are Christians, are the church.
You'll get no argument from me on that.
Christ is in our midst!
unfortunately, the caveat: as long it isn't elcan.
I like it. Just that I’m GenX, and I don’t think it’s just Boomers doing this.
I should say, as mentioned the other day in a similar thread, we’ve left our LCMS church because it has become all hipster doofus and tech-self-conscious. This just happened.
Hoping the next-closest LCMS is consistently good and not kow-towing.
Thanks for the ping. The LCMS congregation we attend is very much like the one I grew up in during the 50s and 60s. I’m happy being a member of that church. Not the usual services like the mega churches, with the big screens to display the songs and sermon texts.
Years ago, someone told us that if you find a Lutheran church within 100 miles of your youth, there will be someone who is kin to you in that church. Sure enough, I have several 2nd cousins attending that church.
What churches are using so-called peace signs? That definitely would make ME rebel! Even my last hipster church didn’t do that!
Personally, I prefer the victory sign to that stupid hippie sign.
I’m hoping I can find a true conservative LCMS. I hope the few others we have don’t cave to this overwhelming trend. Rock music belongs in church like it belongs at a funeral (no comments from the peanut gallery, please). It’s inappropriate, and no, you apologists, I love rock music. Does not belong in church.
You almost have to find an area that is heavy German descent to find that type of church. Our congregation is probably over 90% of German descent. We have no special service with rock or contemporary music like the large congregations in Austin.
Baltimore area used to be very German, as is my family from here. We have many Lutheran churches, but not many of the MS or WI synod. However there are some quite close to us.
I liked our last church for the people. Funny thing was it was VERY “diverse”, which actually makes me proud because it seems to connect to many people, not just white Germans going to their pre-determined church. However, the pastor is not Lutheran in background, he chose it, but he is changing the church to his hipster guitar outlook. He is very nice but I just don’t approve of this approach.