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silly boomers
stet ^ | January 10, 2014

Posted on 01/13/2014 6:41:11 AM PST by Gamecock

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Lutheran Baby Boomer,

Hi.

Sir.

Ma’am.

I hear you say a lot of things about people my age in the church, people 30 and under. I hear you say them and I really am listening–mostly–but in my head, I’m usually thinking, ”WHAT?” and “Aw heck.” and “Here we go again.”

That’s because you’re being silly.

It’s silly to say, “Our church needs to cater to the younger crowd.” No, you don’t. You are not the crowd whisperer. The crowd either (a) wants the good stuff, so there’s no need to cater, or (b) isn’t going to like the good stuff whether you cater to it or not. This isn’t grade school. You don’t have to try to be hip and cool so that others will like you. Just be you. Be Lutheran. It’s quite freeing.

Plus, when you start catering, you make yourself inconsequential because you’re just like everybody else. When you don’t cater, you stand out from the crowd. And as a Here-I-Stand kind of Lutheran, I am all about being the salmon swimming against the cultural current. And hey. You’re a boomer. Wasn’t your generation the one that made its name by sticking it to the man?

It’s also silly to say things like, “Churches should be more relaxed. Young people like relaxed.” I don’t. I don’t want my church relaxed. If I wanted it relaxed, I’d go to a spa to worship. Or Applebee’s. Or my couch. I want my church at full attention, because it ought to be, because Jesus is actually there, present among us in the Divine Service, and that is a big.freaking.deal.

It’s silly to say, “Well, that Methodist church down the road does . . .” That’s lovely. Let the Methodists be Methodists and the Baptists be Baptists. Methodists aren’t Baptists, and Baptists aren’t Methodists. Lutherans don’t do what the Methodists are doing . . . because Lutherans aren’t Methodists.

It’s silly to say, “If something doesn’t change, this church is going to close.” It might close. You’re right. But that doesn’t mean anything about the church itself is wrong or needs to change. Why do we always assume the problem is with the church and never with us?

It’s silly, no, it’s really annoying when people say, “You went to the seminary and did all that work, and now you’re not a pastor? We really need more roles for women in the church.” Actually, I went to the seminary to learn about why Lutherans DON’T believe women should be pastors, and I’ll be the loudest proponent of a male-only, biblical model of the Office of the Holy Ministry you’ll ever meet. Women have pa-lenty to do in the church. Just because the jobs may not be flashy or because society says women should be breaking glasses ceilings doesn’t mean we need to create new work that the men really should be doing. And don’t get me started on my rant about how men don’t man up in church. Because that’s silly too.

I know you care about your church; that’s why you’re trying to drum up things to change about it. You want it to do well, to thrive, and you have good intentions.

But if anything is misunderstood here, it’s not hipsters. It’s the Church. The true Church will keep right on doing what she’s been doing for thousands of years–preaching the Gospel, teaching the faith, administering the Sacraments–whether you try to change things or not. She’ll do her forgiveness thing, and she’ll be good at it.

And in the meantime, we’ll just be here . . . being silly. The variable is us. Will we ever stop fretting about change and numbers and youth and AGH! long enough to sit back in the pew, forget about what time brunch at the country club starts, and simply receive what God has to give? We ought to. We better.

The Lord knows what He’s doing. The Church is His. He will safeguard it, guide it, and do with it as He sees fit. So let’s lay off all the unnecessary and silly little fixes, shall we? Instead, let’s go to the spa or Applebee’s, have ourselves a pedicure or a beer, and revel in what our Lord does well . . . because there’s a lot of it.

All of it, really.

You coming?

Sincerely,

A Concerned Millenial


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1 posted on 01/13/2014 6:41:11 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
You don’t have to try to be hip and cool so that others will like you. Just be you. Be Lutheran. It’s quite freeing.

Try this on for size: Just be you. Be [Baptist, Presbyterian, or any other denomination]. It’s quite freeing.

2 posted on 01/13/2014 6:42:35 AM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: lightman

Ping...


3 posted on 01/13/2014 6:42:58 AM PST by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Gamecock

Be anything you want ,

BUT PLEASE!

BE SALT AND LIGHT!

http://www.saltandlightcouncil.org/


4 posted on 01/13/2014 6:45:17 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Gamecock
I'm a Baptist and with a couple of changes ... I'd like to steal this

It's the attitude we've (our independent, fundamental) congregtion has had since I've been here (18+ years) and we refuse to change.

I can only hope there ARE millrnials that feel/think this way.

5 posted on 01/13/2014 6:46:43 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf
The kid makes good points.

He may want to address his comments to a wider audience though. The youngest boomers are 52 years old.

6 posted on 01/13/2014 6:56:51 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Gamecock

Culture changes. The church needs to change with the culture to relate to the people in the culture. Since they are part of the culture, this should not be a problem. Now, if it violates the bible, that’s different.

I’m sixty and the hymns they sing in my church drive me nuts. I’d like music I could more relate to. And some of those hymns are musically (and lyrically) pretty bad. And there is one hugely miss-translated word in the KJV that has found itself into every third or fourth song in our hymnal: Mansion. I cringe every time I see it.

It’s ok for a church to change within it’s culture, as long as it does not violate Jesus’ commandments. And staying withe the old, just because it’s old, well, Jesus had an interesting attitude about the “traditions of men”.


7 posted on 01/13/2014 7:02:26 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Gamecock
Be anything you want ,

BUT PLEASE!

BE SALT AND LIGHT!

http://www.saltandlightcouncil.org/


Agreed, Paul said to be all things to all people, that's why I don't get worked up over different worship styles, as long as there is no compromise to the Gospel.

8 posted on 01/13/2014 7:04:07 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: cuban leaf

Ouch ... what word ?


9 posted on 01/13/2014 7:04:25 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Mansion. interpretting the original Greek word as “mansion” is like interpreting a greek word for “horseless carriage” as “limosine”. The interpretters had an agenda. It may have benn a harmless one, but the word is a gross stretch of an interpretation. “Room”, or “Dwelling place” would be much more appropriate.

I suppose they just thought that any living space in Heaven would be like a mansion. But they forget that such a concept may actually be completely irrelevant to us once we are there.


10 posted on 01/13/2014 7:08:20 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Bigg Red

mark


11 posted on 01/13/2014 7:30:26 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let the lying lips be dumb, which speak insolently against the righteous in pride and contempt.--Ps3)
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To: Gamecock
If you don't like aspects of the church you're attending don't try to change it. Go find a church you like. So many people today are offended over the tiny-est little things that are foolish to begin with.

Go find that church that challenges you to grow in Christ.

12 posted on 01/13/2014 7:30:28 AM PST by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: cuban leaf

I’m Catholic, and I HATE our liturgy. The music is in keys for castrati, we threw away Mozart and Handel for kumbayah bullshit gay Jesuits from OH-ree-gaan, and don’t even ask me about the “sign of peace” or as I like to call it, the sign of compliance.


13 posted on 01/13/2014 7:51:37 AM PST by steve8714 (New tag line under construction)
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To: Gamecock

My wife’s been telling me the Catholic Church has been going to you-know-where in a hand-basket ever since they dumped the Latin and started the Guitar Masses.


14 posted on 01/13/2014 7:58:08 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: steve8714
I love our liturgy because so much of it comes from the Bible. Here's a book you might read, and then talk with the pastor and/or music director to slowly get things changed.

I've gone through this process and put in my two cents worth (and more), and lo and behold, we have a new music director. The priest was already outstanding.

A Biblical Walk Through the Mass by Edward Sri (Book Review) [Ecumenical]

A Biblical Walk Through the Mass (Book): Understanding What We Say and Do In The Liturgy

15 posted on 01/13/2014 8:04:17 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: steve8714

Few of the songs in our hymnal are from Mozart or Handel. I think the music in the church during any time or culture needs to be in harmony with the music of the culture to at least some degree. I’m not talking about the lyrics here.

BTW, having been the music director at one church and involved in music in every church I’ve attended, I can tell you that the most contentious thing in church is the music. And rightly so.


16 posted on 01/13/2014 8:06:28 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: Gamecock

The purpose of the church isn’t to serve the congregation - it’s the duty of the congregation to serve the Church. Thus, both ultimately serve God. You’re there to serve not be served.


17 posted on 01/13/2014 8:36:08 AM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

The purpose of the church isn’t to serve the congregation


My take on it is a little different.

The Church members are to serve the Church, the Church is to preach the Gospel to the congregation.


18 posted on 01/13/2014 8:59:18 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf
"My take on it is a little different. The Church members are to serve the Church, the Church is to preach the Gospel to the congregation."

I certainly have no objection to that - I agree. I also believe that the Church is also a corporate opportunity to worship God and gives the members (who ARE the church) an opportunity to lift up each other. How will we know which of our Christian brothers and sisters need our help and prayers if we don't fellowship with them?

19 posted on 01/13/2014 9:06:00 AM PST by circlecity
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To: steve8714

I’ve hated the “sign of peace” since it first appeared in 1969. Phony, unsanitary, & interruptive of the flow of the holy liturgy.

Would so like to return “peace be with you” with “go f*** yourself”. More sincere & heartfelt.

Now our local church that looks like a converted basketball gym askss us to “turn around and greet your fellow worshippers before Mass begins, to make them feel more at home!”

Ask me what I think of applause and laughter during the homily or announcements.


20 posted on 01/13/2014 10:15:24 AM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: circlecity

I also believe that the Church is also a corporate opportunity to worship God and gives the members (who ARE the church) an opportunity to lift up each other.


Sounds right to me.


21 posted on 01/13/2014 10:35:52 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: circlecity

The congregation, to the extent they are Christians, are the church.


22 posted on 01/13/2014 12:19:06 PM PST by Wicket (1 Peter 3:15 , Romans 5:5-8)
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To: Wicket
"The congregation, to the extent they are Christians, are the church."

You'll get no argument from me on that.

23 posted on 01/13/2014 2:43:20 PM PST by circlecity
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (LCMS) Ping!

Christ is in our midst!

24 posted on 01/13/2014 6:00:24 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Gamecock
Be Lutheran

unfortunately, the caveat: as long it isn't elcan.

25 posted on 01/13/2014 6:48:17 PM PST by xone
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To: Gamecock

I like it. Just that I’m GenX, and I don’t think it’s just Boomers doing this.


26 posted on 01/14/2014 6:19:52 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Gamecock

I should say, as mentioned the other day in a similar thread, we’ve left our LCMS church because it has become all hipster doofus and tech-self-conscious. This just happened.

Hoping the next-closest LCMS is consistently good and not kow-towing.


27 posted on 01/14/2014 6:23:33 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: lightman

Thanks for the ping. The LCMS congregation we attend is very much like the one I grew up in during the 50s and 60s. I’m happy being a member of that church. Not the usual services like the mega churches, with the big screens to display the songs and sermon texts.

Years ago, someone told us that if you find a Lutheran church within 100 miles of your youth, there will be someone who is kin to you in that church. Sure enough, I have several 2nd cousins attending that church.


28 posted on 01/14/2014 6:33:43 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: steve8714

What churches are using so-called peace signs? That definitely would make ME rebel! Even my last hipster church didn’t do that!

Personally, I prefer the victory sign to that stupid hippie sign.


29 posted on 01/14/2014 6:39:38 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I’m hoping I can find a true conservative LCMS. I hope the few others we have don’t cave to this overwhelming trend. Rock music belongs in church like it belongs at a funeral (no comments from the peanut gallery, please). It’s inappropriate, and no, you apologists, I love rock music. Does not belong in church.


30 posted on 01/14/2014 6:42:39 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

You almost have to find an area that is heavy German descent to find that type of church. Our congregation is probably over 90% of German descent. We have no special service with rock or contemporary music like the large congregations in Austin.


31 posted on 01/14/2014 7:13:07 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Baltimore area used to be very German, as is my family from here. We have many Lutheran churches, but not many of the MS or WI synod. However there are some quite close to us.

I liked our last church for the people. Funny thing was it was VERY “diverse”, which actually makes me proud because it seems to connect to many people, not just white Germans going to their pre-determined church. However, the pastor is not Lutheran in background, he chose it, but he is changing the church to his hipster guitar outlook. He is very nice but I just don’t approve of this approach.


32 posted on 01/14/2014 9:19:27 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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