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Time to Check In Again on the "Rapture Countdown"
http://kimriddlebarger.squarespace.com/the-latest-post/category/end-times-nuttiness ^ | January 2, 2014 | Kim Riddlebarger

Posted on 01/14/2014 7:48:53 PM PST by Gamecock

Lists are always a big deal around the New Year, so I thought I'd check in to see how "Rapture Ready" I need to be (Click Here).

Since our friends at the "Rapture Ready" website haven't updated yet for 2014 (as of this writing), I can report the good news that the "Rapture Index" stands at 183 on December 30, 2013, down from the year's high of 188.

I know Jesus spoke of famine, wars, and earthquakes in the Olivet Discourse, but I'm not sure he was speaking of distinctly American interests such as unemployment, inflation, high interest rates, and "the economy." Apparently, volcanoes, ecumenism, and anti-semitism are a problem (they are a "5"), while the antichrist and tribulation temple are not (they stand at "3").

I guess I can relax a bit until things crank up back again to 188 or better.

These folks mean well, and granted, Christians should eagerly anticipate the return of the Lord. But do these guys ever have a moment of self-reflection? Might this approach not be so "biblical" after all? Of course not, they are invincibly right. Besides, what do I know . . . I am amillennial, and don't take the Bible seriously.


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1 posted on 01/14/2014 7:48:53 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

“I am amillennial, and don’t take the Bible seriously.”

yikes. I’m a post-tribber and take the Bible very, very seriously! Weird statement or it could be the ice cream causing me to have low blood sugar.


2 posted on 01/14/2014 7:55:39 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: Gamecock

Darby Translation (DBY)

Sgs 2:3
As the apple-tree among the trees of the wood, So is my beloved among the sons: In his shadow have I rapture and sit down; And his fruit is sweet to my taste.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Sgs&c=2&v=3&t=DBY#s=673003

J. N. Darby translated the bible in 1890. This translation of the Bible is in the public domain.


3 posted on 01/14/2014 7:59:57 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (I'm not afraid to say what i mean nor should you be afraid of what you know to be true !)
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To: huldah1776

Anyone who says “I am a millenial probably sits around listening to Justin Bieber all day.”


4 posted on 01/14/2014 8:00:38 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: huldah1776

I can assure you he is speaking tongue in cheek.


5 posted on 01/14/2014 8:05:18 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Gamecock

Time to re read my 88 REASONS WHY THE RAPTURE WILL BE IN 1988 and ON BORROWED TIME.


6 posted on 01/14/2014 8:06:49 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: All

I long ago quit arguing with fellow Christians about these things. Nor do I mock anyone’s viewpoint on millennial or dispensational matters. Christians play into enemy hands when they publicly ridicule each other.


7 posted on 01/14/2014 8:07:03 PM PST by Luke21
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To: Luke21

Actually, Christians play into enemy hands when they develop websites like Rapture Ready.


8 posted on 01/14/2014 8:17:45 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Gamecock

Not disagreeing with you, but the mocking and ridicule I’ve seen of Christians disagreeing on the Lord’s return serves no good purpose.


9 posted on 01/14/2014 8:20:16 PM PST by Luke21
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To: Gamecock

http://www.patburt.com/


10 posted on 01/14/2014 8:25:59 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Gamecock

How so?


11 posted on 01/14/2014 8:49:29 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Gamecock
Since our friends at the "Rapture Ready" website haven't updated yet for 2014 (as of this writing), I can report the good news that the "Rapture Index" stands at 183 on December 30, 2013, down from the year's high of 188.

Do I have time for a cup of coffee?

12 posted on 01/14/2014 8:57:35 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Gamecock
Pastor JD Faraq on Sharon's death
13 posted on 01/14/2014 8:57:53 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Gamecock

Gamecock, I’m sure that you are aware, but others may not be.. even though he’s expressing some silly humor here, Dr. Kim Riddlebarger is the senior pastor of Christ Reformed Church in Anaheim, California; he’s also a part time Professor at Westminster (West) Theological Seminary, and a co host of the nationally syndicated radio show THE WHILE HORSE INN. Dr. Riddlebarger is also a very well respected author of many books, including “THE CASE FOR AMILLENIALISM”. This book is by far the best book I’ve yet read regarding Eschatology, presenting a scholarly defense of the historic Reformed view of Amillenialism. He also DECIMATES Dispensationalism in the process, which is amazing in itself, as Dr. Riddlebarger was a confirmed Dispensationalist before he “saw the light” of Covenentally Reformed theology.

He has made available a 35 part lecture series, titled “Amillenialism 101”, based upon the book, “A CASE FOR AMILLENIALISM”. This lecture series is freely available in Mp3 format, on his Blog, “The Riddleblog”..(scroll halfway down the page, it’s on the right side of the page.) Here’s the link.. =http://kimriddlebarger.squarespace.com/

IF you wish to hear a SOLIDLY Biblical explanation of the Reformed Amillenial view, this is the series to listen to, or the book to read. If you wish to know WHY we do not adhere to Dispensationalism, this is also a good series to hear as well..or better still, read the book, A CASE FOR AMILLENIALISM. You’ll be pretty amazed at Dr. Riddlebarger’s expertise in handling the Biblical evidence in defense of this eschatological viewpoint..


14 posted on 01/14/2014 9:50:38 PM PST by Biblical Calvinist (Soli Deo Gloria !)
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To: Biblical Calvinist

That should be THE WHITE HORSE INN. (Please forgive the typo).


15 posted on 01/14/2014 9:52:31 PM PST by Biblical Calvinist (Soli Deo Gloria !)
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To: Gamecock

unemployment-—

The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat. 1 Thessalonians 3:10

high interest rates-—

If you lend money to one of my people among you who is needy, do not treat it like a business deal; charge no interest. Exodus 22:25

You may charge a foreigner interest, but not a fellow Israelite, so that the LORD your God may bless you in everything you put your hand to in the land you are entering to possess. Deuteronomy 23:20

inflation-—

Then they threw dust on their heads and shouted while crying and mourning, ‘How horrible, how horrible for that important city. Everyone who had a ship at sea grew rich because of that city’s high prices. In one moment it has been destroyed!’ Revelation 18:19

the economy-—

The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore—cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.

They will say, ‘The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your luxury and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.’

The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn and cry out:

“’Woe! Woe to you, great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls! In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’

Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a city like this great city?’

They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out: “’Woe! Woe to you, great city, where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth! In one hour she has been brought to ruin!’ Revelation 18:11-19


16 posted on 01/14/2014 10:19:24 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Gamecock

I want to be surprised, I don’t want to know when Rapture will start.


17 posted on 01/14/2014 11:27:48 PM PST by GraceG
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To: MichaelCorleone
How so?

Ya gotta buy the books to find out...

18 posted on 01/15/2014 2:14:25 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Biblical Calvinist

BFL


19 posted on 01/15/2014 5:10:09 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I cant read that Rapture Ready site myself, I’ve tried, its one of the most spritially closed off, willingly blinded websites I’ve come across relating to bible prohecy,

However, this author is even more in the dark,

Jesus said, “the Law and Prophets were until John” thats farily straightforward for a division,

2 Peter 3:3-11,

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,


20 posted on 01/15/2014 5:18:54 AM PST by captmar-vell
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To: captmar-vell
However, this author is even more in the dark,

Which author? I've lost the back trail. Rev. Riddelbarger?

21 posted on 01/15/2014 8:46:47 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means.")
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To: Gamecock

I believe it’s Talmudic that if you’re pruning a tree and hear that the moshiach is come, first finish the pruning, then go to greet him.


22 posted on 01/15/2014 8:48:15 AM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug
Luther is said to have said something similar.

"Everybody, look busy!"

23 posted on 01/15/2014 9:12:26 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means.")
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To: Gamecock

Either you or Riddlebarger or both need to aprise yourselves of some scientific facts that do comport very well with the Bible. The powers that be don’t like to discuss these facts much though.

101 Evidences for a Young Age of the Earth...And the Universe
http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth

Center for Scientific Creation - In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html


24 posted on 01/15/2014 9:45:40 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: huldah1776

Are you equating post-tribber with ammillennialism?


25 posted on 01/15/2014 9:56:08 AM PST by sasportas
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To: Luke21

So, are you saying it is important that we speak truth when it comes to the first coming, such things as the incarnation, deity of Christ, his resurrection, but on the second coming, different case there. Truth has no place there, we can believe just any old way our fancy takes us, it’s just fine.

Some claim Christ’s second coming, the resurrection, and the end of the world took place in 70 AD (preterism), others claim things the world is getting more Christian by the day, things will improve until we bring in a wonderful Christian golden age for a thousand years, after which the second coming takes place (postmillennialism). All same-o to you, right?

By the way, I subscribe to neither of the aforementioned eschatologies above.


26 posted on 01/15/2014 10:10:51 AM PST by sasportas
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To: Biblical Calvinist
THE CASE FOR AMILLENNIALISM

There is no case for Amillennialism...period. It is nothing but a theory of man read into the word of God. Origen and Augustine's theory read into the 19th and 20th chapters of Revelation. The official doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. Another Romanist lie, which should have no place in Protestantism.

27 posted on 01/15/2014 10:28:34 AM PST by sasportas
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To: sasportas

Tsk. The PROTESTANT REFORMATION was about REFORMING the ROMAN CATHOLIC Church. The REFORMED are not ROMAN Catholic.. (but we ARE small “c” catholic in the sense that the word “catholic” means universal.)

Just because the Roman Catholic Church embraces Amillenialism, does not mean that Amillenialism is unbiblical.

The Roman Catholics also embrace the doctrine of the Trinity..does that mean that the doctrine of the Trinity is unbiblical? I would not think so.

The Roman Catholic Church embraces MANY doctrines that the Protestant Church has historically also embraced.

Just because ONE denomination may advocate a certain doctrine, does NOT mean that that specific teaching MUST be unbiblical.

This is true of Amillenialism, as well as many other viewpoints that the Church Universal has ALWAYS embraced.

We who are Reformed may NOT always agree with the Roman Catholic Church, and we most certainly do NOT agree in the area of Soteriology, or Sola Scriptura or, well.. many other things..but we do agree with them when any doctrine (IE. The Trinity) can be shown to be Biblical.

Amillenialism can be shown to be grounded in the Bible. You don’t believe this to be true? Fine. Listen to Dr. Riddlebargers series (referenced above), or read his book on Amillenialism. He gives good and sufficient reasons, demonstrating that Amillenialism IS Scripturally based, and BIBLICAL through and through. If you do listen to the series, or read the book, you may even be led to change your mind regarding Amillenialism.


28 posted on 01/15/2014 11:00:43 AM PST by Biblical Calvinist (Soli Deo Gloria !)
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To: Gamecock
While the rapture index may not be a useful tool, the theology behind Raptureready.com is Biblically sound supports the work of the most well respected eschatology theologians in the World (e.g. Dr Arnold Fructenbaum, etc.)

God always makes a way of escape for his people (e.g. Noah, Lot, Jews to Babylon, Christians to Pella, etc.) As Jesus said in Luke 17, Judgment is coming on this sodomite world. I mourn when I think about my many Calvinist friends who mock like Lot's sons in law (and sons) and will not escape those things that are coming... ;-(
29 posted on 01/15/2014 11:28:34 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Biblical Calvinist

I don’t need to listen to Riddlebarger, I’ve heard it from many others just as adamant about it as he is. Luther, Zwingli, and the Reformed did not “come out of Babylon” far enough. In my opinion and in the opinion of many evangelicals; you folks came out dragging Romanist things with you...such as their Amillennialism.


30 posted on 01/15/2014 11:48:34 AM PST by sasportas
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To: sasportas

no.


31 posted on 01/15/2014 2:33:06 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

Thank you.


32 posted on 01/15/2014 3:51:32 PM PST by sasportas
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