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My Wife and I are Atheists, but Our Daughter Wants to be Baptised Catholic
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 1/14/14 | James Harrington

Posted on 01/14/2014 8:25:45 PM PST by marshmallow

I'm proud of my daughter, but I can't deny that she stopped us in our religiously disinterested, bleeding-heart liberal tracks

For decades, god and religion have played no part in my life. I was baptised as a baby, but didn't make it as far as first communion. That may officially make me a Catholic in the broadest sense, but if it does, I'm one who's not so much "lapsed" as "stalled before I started".

Apart from morning assemblies and weekly hymn practices at primary school, followed by a couple of years of religious education classes at comprehensive (which I dropped as soon as exam options allowed), I have barely considered my immortal soul, much less the direction it may be heading when I die.

Over the years, when I bothered to think about it at all, I came to the conclusion that I prefer the scientific theory of life and the universe to the spiritual one. I'm most likely an atheist, but one leaning to the agnostic side of the spectrum. I know I'm a sceptic, in the true sense of the word. Or shallow. One of the two.

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TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: catholic; faithandphilosophy; jamesharrington; romancatholicism
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1 posted on 01/14/2014 8:25:45 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Sad story. Not for the daughter...


2 posted on 01/14/2014 8:35:21 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: marshmallow

Just because the parents may not be among the elect, it doesn’t mean that the daughter can’t be. Anyhow, good on the parents for being supportive—even if they don’t understand.


3 posted on 01/14/2014 8:35:48 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: marshmallow

“Over the years, when I bothered to think about it at all, I came to the conclusion that I prefer the scientific theory of life and the universe to the spiritual one.”

What a moronic statement. Completely ignorant of both science and religion.

1) there is no scientific theory of life and the universe

2) she’s just mistaken science for another spiritual view or religion.

Maybe her daughter can teach her some things, but I am not going to click through to read this whole thing.

She starts off talking about herself exclusively and i doubt the self absorption becomes less.


4 posted on 01/14/2014 8:35:50 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: marshmallow

If a Catholic parent had a daughter who announced she was a lesbian atheist, the overwhelming sentiment would be that the parent should embrace and accept the daughter for “who she is.” I guess it doesn’t work in reverse.


5 posted on 01/14/2014 8:35:57 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: marshmallow; Arthur McGowan; mc5cents; RichInOC; Prince of Space; JoeFromSidney; TNMountainMan; ...
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6 posted on 01/14/2014 8:36:09 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: marshmallow
I prefer the scientific theory of life and the universe to the spiritual one.

This is the blindness and rationalization of atheists. That somehow God and science are opposites. That somehow mankind's ridiculously small understanding of "science" will allow complete explanation of the universe. That somehow God can not be "proven."

7 posted on 01/14/2014 8:38:40 PM PST by PGR88
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To: marshmallow

See God working through the child to soften the parents.


8 posted on 01/14/2014 8:39:12 PM PST by freemama
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To: marshmallow

“I came to the conclusion that I prefer the scientific theory of life and the universe to the spiritual one.”

That is probably one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard. The false conflict between religion and science is used by people who want to make themselves seem smarter than people of faith. It is also a justification for their refusal to live by the personal moral code that religion requires.


9 posted on 01/14/2014 8:41:37 PM PST by detective
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To: marshmallow

Episode of M.A.S.H, Guy was asked if he wanted a Priest, said no I am a atheist , Dr said really? Guy says, swear to God


10 posted on 01/14/2014 8:44:35 PM PST by Friendofgeorge ( Palin 2016 or bust)
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To: freemama

Our daughter-in-law became Catholic - from secular Jewish upbringing - because our son shared his faith. They were not engaged. I think the Lord is using her wonderful enthusiasm to reach her entire family - aunts and uncles, cousins, grandparents, parents/ not one of them is really involved in church. Grandparents, maybe, some bit. They’ll all be at the baby’s baptism, though, etc.


12 posted on 01/14/2014 8:46:35 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: ifinnegan

I think the writer is a “he”. Cue title.


13 posted on 01/14/2014 8:47:17 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Digger

I’m glad the story was posted. It is a victory for Kingdom of God that these two atheists couldn’t stop their daughter from finding faith. Who knows—her example and her prayers may someday conquer their stubbornness.


14 posted on 01/14/2014 8:51:07 PM PST by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: freemama

I agree. Their child is a blessing to them from our Father.


15 posted on 01/14/2014 8:52:54 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Digger

The Left wins by us reading and tearing apart the stupidity of an atheist author? Should we only post material that meets your ideological standards?


16 posted on 01/14/2014 8:53:21 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: House Atreides

“Just because the parents may not be among the elect....”

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None of us are among the elect until that moment when our divine Judge, at our death, deems us worthy of entry into his realm.

In the meantime, let’s not be too presumptious.


17 posted on 01/14/2014 8:53:50 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: marshmallow

“We enrolled our little girl at a local Catholic school, selected purely on the recommendation of a colleague for the quality of its education”

What did you expect?

Our son is in a Catholic school, and if he says he wants to be Catholic, it’s no skin off my nose. I would not be shocked, since we sent him there. Happened to his grandmother, at the same school.

Why do people put children in such a situation if they are going to have a problem with possible consequences? How dumb is that?


18 posted on 01/14/2014 8:53:50 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: marshmallow

Don’t scroll down to the comments. Guardianistas are some of the most vile fascists I’ve ever had the displeasure of hearing from and they don’t disappoint here. Let’s hope the British Muslims pay them a visit.


19 posted on 01/14/2014 8:53:54 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: marshmallow

The daughter will lead the rest of them back home


20 posted on 01/14/2014 8:54:07 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: vladimir998; Digger
Should we only post material that meets your ideological standards?

As someone who's been asked to do this on multiple occasions, you don't want to go there.

21 posted on 01/14/2014 8:55:34 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Digger

I don’t follow you. Explain.


22 posted on 01/14/2014 8:58:36 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

You’ll be surprised at how many Muslims send their children to Catholic schools strictly for the quality of education.

Never heard of a conversion because the children know what dire consequences await them if they did.


23 posted on 01/14/2014 8:58:38 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: yldstrk
The daughter will lead the rest of them back home

She has as her mission to pray for her parents. They are very, very fortunate.

24 posted on 01/14/2014 8:59:59 PM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: marshmallow

*8For me, it means regular trips to the presbytery for extra “Catholic lessons”. It means going to church for family mass on Sundays and not knowing when to sit or stand; **

Good for this dad. May the daughter bring him and her mother to the Catholic Church.


25 posted on 01/14/2014 9:00:58 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Digger

Catholicism is very conservative at it roots. It’s just that everyone does not know those roots.


26 posted on 01/14/2014 9:02:47 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Slyfox

They are indeed


27 posted on 01/14/2014 9:04:50 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: PGR88

Good post! :-)


28 posted on 01/14/2014 9:14:08 PM PST by Bobalu (The true secret to genius is in creativity, not in technical mechanics - Richard Feynman)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Old Woody Allen joke.

A hypocrite is a guy who writes a book extolling atheism and then prays that it does well.


29 posted on 01/14/2014 9:16:43 PM PST by Bobalu (The true secret to genius is in creativity, not in technical mechanics - Richard Feynman)
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To: marshmallow

As C. S. Lewis might put it, an atheist couple who wants to pass atheism on to their children really cannot be too careful of their schooling.


30 posted on 01/14/2014 9:17:21 PM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: Salvation

When I was a confirmation teacher, back in the 90s, we had one girl sign herself up for confirmation. Her parents were indifferent about it, but didn’t stand in her way. When her younger brother was old enough, she brought him to class and they both ended up confirmed. I never met her parents. I wonder if they had the faintest idea what a remarkable daughter they had.


31 posted on 01/14/2014 9:18:55 PM PST by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: PGR88

Great minds think alike. See post #9.


32 posted on 01/14/2014 9:23:22 PM PST by detective
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To: 353FMG
“You’ll be surprised at how many Muslims send their children to Catholic schools strictly for the quality of education.

Never heard of a conversion because the children know what dire consequences await them if they did.”

I helped out at a recent first communion in my parish. One of the boys receiving his first communion was named Mohammad.

I assume it was a conversion.

33 posted on 01/14/2014 9:30:20 PM PST by detective
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To: Bobalu
Old Woody Allen joke.

Woody IS a joke. Funny you would pick such a pervert to prove your point. What's next, you're going to quote the pedophile priests?

34 posted on 01/14/2014 10:03:29 PM PST by Veggie Todd (I don't always talk to Obama voters, but when I do I ask for Large Fries.)
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To: married21

Wow, what a story!


35 posted on 01/14/2014 10:06:57 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

There is a children’s book on this topic. I cannot remember the title.
It is about a teenaged girl who is expelled from a high dollar private because of something she didn’t do. The only school that will take her is a Catholic one that has a very strict dress and discipline code. She is upset at her secular, atheist parents for not standing up for her and making her go to that school. She decides that the best way to get back at them for putting her in Catholic school is to pretend to become religious which will mortify her parents. After a while she discovers that has stoped pretending.

It was a pretty well written book for teenagers


36 posted on 01/14/2014 10:10:47 PM PST by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: ifinnegan
there is no scientific theory of life and the universe

Wrong!

Here are the final words in both Darwin's "Origin of the Species" and its modern eye-opening update "Darwin's Ghost" by Steve Jones.

There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one, and that, whilst this planet has gone on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

37 posted on 01/14/2014 10:36:34 PM PST by OldNavyVet (Robert's revenge lies in our getting rid of Democrat control in House, Senate and Preisdent.)
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To: OldNavyVet

“...life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one...”

Quite a “scientific theory”.


38 posted on 01/14/2014 10:48:21 PM PST by ifinnegan
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>> Over the years, when I bothered to think about it at all, I came to the conclusion that I prefer the scientific theory of life and the universe to the spiritual one.

Atheists are idiots.


39 posted on 01/14/2014 10:54:09 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ifinnegan

exactly. Science is about what you can prove by experimentation. When you get into speculation, it’s then a religious thought...


40 posted on 01/14/2014 11:35:18 PM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: ifinnegan

I always think these Guardian CiF stories are made up. They are always too glib, too perfect, too pat. This fits right in the mold.


41 posted on 01/14/2014 11:49:31 PM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: PGR88

They NEED to believe that people who believe in God necessarily oppose science — that science and religion are mutually exclusive. It makes them feel superior, because a lot of science is provable. Therefore, they’re clearly right and obviously intelligent — and believers in God are clearly wrong and laughably stupid.


42 posted on 01/14/2014 11:51:48 PM PST by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: babygene
The parents have no basis in truth, they are "fools." (Ps. 14:1)

So they don't have anything to teach their child. (Dt. 6:7)

Their sin is visited on the next generation. (Ex. 20:5)

. Pray that someone who knows the gospel will tell them all God's plan for them:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

And

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith –and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God– not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."

43 posted on 01/15/2014 12:14:11 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: OldNavyVet

Funny that Darwin steals his ‘breathed’ metaphor straight from Genesis 2:7 and John 20:22.


44 posted on 01/15/2014 1:18:44 AM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: marshmallow

God Bless the daugther. May she become a bright shinning light for her parents.


45 posted on 01/15/2014 2:58:47 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: marshmallow
...prefer the scientific theory of life and the universe to the spiritual one...

I'm curious. Where does the author believe there is a conflict?

46 posted on 01/15/2014 3:44:46 AM PST by kidd
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To: marshmallow

sounds like this lapsed cradle Catholic is innately leary of atheism and covers the options with “the God of Spinoza”


47 posted on 01/15/2014 4:05:44 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Alex Murphy

Oh, yes I do.


48 posted on 01/15/2014 4:39:09 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: ifinnegan
Actually, there is a scientific theory for life in the Universe. In fact there is more than one, but at least one which seems most plausible. BUT that theory (Panspermia) still does not exclude the very real Hand of The Creator in forming the Universe and the system by which Panspermia happens. Chandra Wickramasinghe has an excellent, detailed video available on Youtube explaining the process: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5lFeW1FWfo
49 posted on 01/15/2014 4:49:45 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: marshmallow

Irresistible grace. It doesn’t matter who your parents are, if you are elect you will believe.


50 posted on 01/15/2014 4:56:02 AM PST by circlecity
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