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Scientists Claim That Quantum Theory Proves Consciousness Moves To Another Universe At Death
Spirit, Science and Metaphysics ^

Posted on 01/17/2014 7:43:11 PM PST by DaveMSmith

A book titled “Biocentrism: How Life and Consciousness Are the Keys to Understanding the Nature of the Universe“ has stirred up the Internet, because it contained a notion that life does not end when the body dies, and it can last forever. The author of this publication, scientist Dr. Robert Lanza who was voted the 3rd most important scientist alive by the NY Times, has no doubts that this is possible.

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The theory implies that death of consciousness simply does not exist. It only exists as a thought because people identify themselves with their body. They believe that the body is going to perish, sooner or later, thinking their consciousness will disappear too. If the body generates consciousness, then consciousness dies when the body dies. But if the body receives consciousness in the same way that a cable box receives satellite signals, then of course consciousness does not end at the death of the physical vehicle. In fact, consciousness exists outside of constraints of time and space. It is able to be anywhere: in the human body and outside of it. In other words, it is non-local in the same sense that quantum objects are non-local.

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He adds: “If they’re not revived, and the patient dies, it’s possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely, as a soul.”

(Excerpt) Read more at spiritscienceandmetaphysics.com ...


TOPICS: Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: afterlife; faithandphilosophy; quantummechanics; scientists; soul; spirituality; uncertaintyprinciple
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To: ETL

I have long believed that consciousness is the key to understanding the natuire of the universe. As a philosophy/theology major with 2 advanced degrees in same I have a substantial interest. I will follow up. Thank you.


81 posted on 01/18/2014 4:29:56 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: DaveMSmith
can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely, as a soul.”

If a body contains a soul at birth, where does the soul come from? Is there like a waiting room for souls in need of a new born body? And if the body dies, does that soul go back to the waiting room?

I've often wondered about people who believe in reincarnation thinking that when they die they're going to come back as another person. How can that be if the population keeps doubling over time?

82 posted on 01/18/2014 4:38:45 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We have always understood that God consciousness is the fundamental reality, not consciousness of God but God’s consciousness.
As His creation we are imbued with His consciousness. This is the key to revealed religion.
Proof of God is not by reason but by accepting the nature of reality. If there is one God there is also a singular unified reality.
Christ demonstrates the consciousness of God in human history.


83 posted on 01/18/2014 4:57:36 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: onedoug

ping


84 posted on 01/18/2014 6:34:09 AM PST by windcliff
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fascination bump


85 posted on 01/18/2014 6:56:14 AM PST by misanthrope (Liberalism; it is not unthinking ignorance, it is malignant evil.)
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To: windcliff

Interesting. But proof. No way.


86 posted on 01/18/2014 7:18:28 AM PST by onedoug
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To: cripplecreek

Amen.


87 posted on 01/18/2014 7:23:01 AM PST by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: ExGeeEye

They get so close to truth sometimes— then the denial of God kicks in and they turn away.


Right.

They also have a form of Godliness but deny the power thereof.

Matthew 10
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

These who deny God but try to use their so called science to try and prove a few points of his rule that appeal to them are no different than people who claim to believe in Christ but deny every thing he told us.


88 posted on 01/18/2014 7:42:14 AM PST by ravenwolf
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To: babble-on

Ping for later


89 posted on 01/18/2014 9:28:27 AM PST by fhayek
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To: ETL
Many Worlds essentially obtains from the Feynman Path Integral formulation, which does indeed require not only an infinite, but an uncountably infinite number of different possible trajectories through phase space, and so in order for the interpretation to match the mathematics and physical theory, I would say the number of "worlds" or realities for all these outcomes must surely be infinite as well. And, if you take that philosophical approach, all of them must "happen" because it is not possible to sum to the correct value which is required by the Principle of Least Action unless "most" of them cancel each other out.

Although I haven't been a very serious student of the philosophy of quantum theory, I'm somewhat intrigued by this other post you have about Popper and his understanding of MWI. It sounds incorrect to me, and as you may know, some of Popper's philosophical requirements for quantum mechanics were similar to Einstein's -- and wrong. I would probably have to read the book carefully, but this excerpt also seems to show that Popper's interpretation of MWI -- if we restrict MWI to mean an interpretation of the Feynman Path Integral formulation -- to be mistaken as well.

As you may know, The Shroedinger Equation is mathematically derivable from the non-relativistic version of the FPI. [This is one of the early exercises you do in a graduate class in Quantum Field Theory.] And with a careful attention to the signs and directions taken along the complex integration path, the FPI has the same time reversal properties as the Shroedinger Equation.

In the relativistic case you can show that once you include anti-particles, FPI has the same time reversal and Lorentz invariance as the Dirac Equation. [I'm not aware of anyone deriving the Dirac Equation from the path integral in full generality. Some special cases have been done over the years.] Whatever ... the point is, if MWI means FPI it does not have different time reversal properties from the Shroedinger [non-relativistic] or Dirac/Klein-Gordon equations [relativistic version].

The interesting thing about FPI, and why physicists take it seriously in some philosophical sense, is that thanks to Dirac [who first suggested it], and Feynman who actually made it work, we get an understanding of something that had been bothering physicists since Newton in various forms. Even in classical physics there were these glimpses at the Principle of Least Action. [Fermat's Principle, which I'll get to in a moment, is one example.]

As it turns out, once Newtonian mechanics is properly formulated [Lagrangian/Hamiltonian dynamics instead of, but equivalent to the Three Laws, F=ma, etc] you can derive a Principle of Least Action as well.

Now that is interesting for several reasons, but the most important of them is that it essentially says that an integration over an infinite number of points in phase space is actually required even in classical physics. It isn't just a "weird" property of quantum mechanics. It's also interesting, because in the path integral formulation, you can show how the classical version of the Principle of Least Action comes about. That is, you can rigorously show how classical physics is just an approximation of quantum physics. Before the FPI, this was simply accepted on faith. It had to happen because over a broad range of physical phenomena, classical physics works. The Copenhagen version of this was essentially a hand-waving axiom called The Correspondence Principle. After Feynman, we understood why. And we also understood for example [just the simplest example that comes to mind off the top of my head] why light always travels the shortest time distance from one point to another -- even when it bends through glass, or reflects from a mirror. Before the FPI, the metaphysics of just something as simple as that required teleological interpretations that were highly unsatisfying, and indeed thoroughly rejected by most physicists who cared about philosophy at all.

90 posted on 01/18/2014 10:23:30 AM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: DaveMSmith; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; betty boop; ...

Scientists are just promoting the same thing Christianity has taught for millennia but in a relabeled package.

Call it alternate dimensions. That’s cutting edge physics.

Call it heaven and hell and it’s just mythology.

Call life outside the earth extra terrestrials, and it’s funded by the government under the auspices of SETI.

Call them angels and demons, and it’s figments of people imaginations and mythology.

Call it singularity and it’s the latest in theoretical physics.

Call it creation by God and it’s mythology and folk tales of bronze age goat herders.

It’s all in the name and who’s promoting it. But it gets down to the fact that there’s nothing new under the sun and the Bible had a leg up on it long before scientists even thought of the stuff.


91 posted on 01/18/2014 11:33:47 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

You have hit the thumb on the nail...

Science as re-invented the arguments, redefined the topics and sanitized them for their own purposes. This is the same thing Stephen Meyer faces when he debates “scientists” about intelligent design. Call it cellular encoding and its genetic biochemistry; Call it God directed and it is cheap dogma.

Their blindness is deep and widespread. But, I suspect that this may be part of the “...deluding influence so that they might believe what is false.” Paul wrote about in IIThess. Great post.


92 posted on 01/18/2014 12:28:28 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: metmom; Dutchboy88
Good post metmom.

One of the net effects of all this is that much of society no longer sees the need for any 'referee' in the game of life.Imagine what would happen in the Superbowl should the players regard the umpire as irrelevant (after all,everyone knows the rules and is smart enough to know what works and what doesn't)

It would descend into chaos in very short order.So goes society.

93 posted on 01/18/2014 1:35:09 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: TigersEye

Tashi Deleg , Tiger.


94 posted on 01/18/2014 1:42:00 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: ETL; TigersEye

Sorry, but this guy, Mipham Rimpoche, is one of the top minds and voices on the subject of post mortem mind, spirituality, consciousness and the human mind. If you’re seriously interested in the topic, I strongly recommend you hear him speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTpKL88oH3k

Also Here, Dr. Jeremy Hayward:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3D3pdDWO38


95 posted on 01/18/2014 2:36:00 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: ETL; TigersEye

Or you can try this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8UnvlYzJ0I

He is just about the best ever on the subject.


96 posted on 01/18/2014 2:45:21 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: DaveMSmith

Hello!

‘Theory’ proves NOTHING!!

That’s why it’s called theory!!!


97 posted on 01/18/2014 2:48:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: spokeshave
April 25    2011
 
 
 
Now THAT is cool!!

98 posted on 01/18/2014 2:52:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Candor7

Can’t we all go back to counting the pinhead dancing angels???


99 posted on 01/18/2014 2:54:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DaveMSmith

It is so hard for some to think beyond their sphere or allow the Lord to lift them to greater understanding of his universe.


100 posted on 01/18/2014 4:06:43 PM PST by restornu
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