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Scientists Claim That Quantum Theory Proves Consciousness Moves To Another Universe At Death
Spirit, Science and Metaphysics ^

Posted on 01/17/2014 7:43:11 PM PST by DaveMSmith

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To: metmom; DaveMSmith; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...
"Biocentrism teaches that life and consciousness are fundamental to the universe. It is consciousness that creates the material universe, not the other way around.

"Lanza points to the structure of the universe itself, and that the laws, forces, and constants of the universe appear to be fine-tuned for life, implying intelligence existed prior to matter.

Whoa! Quite a rich admission there for the "3rd most important thinker" on this subject, isn't it? Materialist evolutionists claim that it's matter first, consciousness later. Materialists create themselves with matter and this guy creates himself with his own consciousness, I guess.

Still, here's where he goes off the rails and effectively strays into Hinduism:

"This means that a dead person while traveling through the same tunnel ends up not in hell or in heaven, but in a similar world he or she once inhabited, but this time alive. And so on, infinitely.

So basically what he's saying is this:

"I have been around from the beginning (whenever that was), because my consciousness (whatever that is) has been there from the beginning, ergo, I am my own creator. I am my own god. And I am as eternal as anything else is. Boom! I'm outta one body and into another!

"So I in my own conceit simply declare that there is no heaven or hell, because I, the Conscious Essence, will it so! I don't have to answer to a higher authority other than myself. I am my creator. I am my authority."

Yet if that is true and he had to contend with the Laws of Nature to engage in all the evolutionary trial and error that supposedly got him here today, who or what was the Law Giver that established those physical constraints inherent within Natural Law and with which he had to contend in order to allegedly create himself?

Who or what designed or deemed into existence this "fine-tuned" universe into which he believes he can serially re-insert his cognitive essence?

But is one who creates himself within these constraints greater than the Laws and by extension the Law Giver that constrains him?

And at the supposed pinnacle of his received wisdom and cognitive awareness he still can't tell one person how or why he willed the physical world into existence so that his consciousness might create himself.

No one disputes that when we leave our present bodies behind we will all be "conscious" of our then present surroundings. I suspect that on that day this guy will be conscious of the fact that his environment has ticked upwards a quite few degrees in a rather uncomfortable direction.

FReegards!

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101 posted on 01/18/2014 4:17:53 PM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Hot Tabasco

That’s easy! There are many mansions ( levels, or realms of consciousness). Reincarnating souls can go to any of them. At least that’s how it was explained to me in my eastern days.

And yes, there are souls waiting for bodies - it is a conscious choice ( some say a fight for, even) the opportunity to reincarnate into a human body. There are no victims in reincarnation - it’s all your choice- God being the absolute gentleman that he is would never put a soul in a body without it’s consent.

When the kids used to complain that they didn’t ask to be born, I used to say - yes, you did, and right here, too. End of victim story.


102 posted on 01/18/2014 5:56:23 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: DaveMSmith

bkmk


103 posted on 01/18/2014 6:10:04 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: DaveMSmith

Robert Lanza on theory of Biocentrism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI_F4nOKDSM

Too bad people always gets bog down in nitpicking instead of allowing their knowledge to listen see where their understanding might fit.

If the Bible is always their benchmark then we are to branch out and see what we can.


104 posted on 01/18/2014 8:16:17 PM PST by restornu
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Atheistic materialism cannot justify knowledge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXgLGa7anJI


105 posted on 01/18/2014 8:41:06 PM PST by restornu
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To: usconservative

Years ago I had a multiple heart operation, in that several parts of my body were being operated on. This was a second time hospital visit for me for life threatening situations, the first being a victim of the illness that was the cause of death for the Muppets originator Jim Hendrix(?). In both cases I had ‘out of body’ visions or whatever such is called. In both situations there was a guiding visionary spirit. I was allowed to view the very bright space that separated me from the distance but I had to make a choice/decision to go beyond the light. In both cases the “spirit’ did not waste time to come to the conclusion I was not ready by personal inclination or by other purpose to go into through the the light. Obviously I recovered from both situations but the second one sticks in my mind like it is still part of me. I have long believed that the body of this time and day is only transitory to another existence because once our atoms are put together an eternal system is created. What and who acts on this system is a personal enigma. I believe a God creator does exist that/which/who has an eternal say.


106 posted on 01/18/2014 9:18:21 PM PST by noinfringers2 ( /*)
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To: Candor7

Sorry, but you weren’t being serious in recommending these 3 guys, were you? The one I suggested people listen to or read up on is an expert in quantum mechanics. He ties it with human consciousness and how the mind operates. These guys seem more like monks or Himalayan gurus.


107 posted on 01/18/2014 10:29:37 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: metmom

.....”It’s all in the name and who’s promoting it. But it gets down to the fact that there’s nothing new under the sun and the Bible had a leg up on it long before scientists even thought of the stuff”.....

Yes indeed!...Reminds me of the verse ...”He sits on the circle of the world”.... Denoting ‘it’s round’,..... while the people of Columbus’s day viewed the world as flat. It was in there the whole time!


108 posted on 01/19/2014 1:04:03 PM PST by caww
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Declare the Universe was created by God – Liberals sneer.

Speculate that life was created by the Intelligence of Aliens from another galaxy – Liberals nod sagely.

Thanks for your beeps.

109 posted on 01/19/2014 1:10:23 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: restornu
If the Bible is always their benchmark then we are to branch out and see what we can.

You MORMONs got a LOT more 'benchmark' than Bible.

Why so QUITE about the beloved Book of ABRAHAM?

110 posted on 01/19/2014 1:56:34 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Red Boots
And yes, there are souls waiting for bodies - it is a conscious choice ( some say a fight for, even) the opportunity to reincarnate into a human body.

Not souls!!

--MormonDude(Spirit Babies!)

111 posted on 01/19/2014 1:57:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Red Boots; restornu; Normandy; teppe; trebb; StormPrepper; Grig
There are many mansions ( levels, or realms of consciousness).

MormonISM has 3 levels of Heaven and not really any Hell.


Most MORMONs will end up on Level Two.


That is if Brigham Young is a False Prophet:

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

Otherwise; they'll end up someplace they didn't think it was POSSIBLE to go!

112 posted on 01/19/2014 2:01:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Too bad people always gets bog down in nitpicking instead of allowing their knowledge to listen see where their understanding might fit.

But...

...I thought that it was a FEELING that convinced you that MormonISM was true?


Enough evidence from LDS, Inc.'s archives has been presented over the years that a person that DID use 'knowledge' would have left JS and the band behind LONG ago.

What's your excuse?

113 posted on 01/19/2014 2:04:07 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ETL; tacticalogic; djf; MHGinTN; hosepipe; YHAOS; Alamo-Girl; TXnMA; metmom; marron; BroJoeK
The barbaric view of reality is mechanistic. It is the easy view of classical science and of common sense. In epistemology mechanism is naive realism, the view that all knowledge is based on unquestionable facts, on apodictically verified truths. In physics mechanism is the view that the universe is clockwork, closed, and entirely predictable on the basis of unchanging laws. In biology, mechanism is the view that all aspects of life, its evolution, our feelings and values, are ultimately explicable in terms of the laws of physics and chemistry. In our legal system, mechanism is the view that the assumption of precise procedural technicalities constitutes perfect justice. In our political system, mechanism is the view that the assertion of finely formulated personal rights constitutes the ideal democracy. In our public administration, it is the view that responsible service manifests itself by the enforcement of finely split bureaucratic regulations. All of these attitudes are the attitudes of barbarians.

Thus the forms that "second realities" generally take nowadays; and the "scientific premises" on which they (fruitlessly!) would like to found their "logic."

One thing this article well underscores is the idea that, if you get your initial premises "wrong," all your following arguments and conclusions will be "wrong," too.

I don't think the author's association of this sort of thing with barbarism is in any way "off the mark.",,,

Thank you so very much for posting this brilliant article, ETL!

114 posted on 01/19/2014 4:19:18 PM PST by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: YHAOS; tacticalogic; djf; Alamo-Girl; TXnMA; MHGinTN; hosepipe; metmom; spirited irish; marron
Declare the Universe was created by God — Liberals sneer. ... Speculate that life was created by the Intelligence of Aliens from another galaxy — Liberals nod sagely.

Not to worry, dear friend! "Liberals" are not the measure of All that there Is, let alone of God Himself.

They just like to"fantasize" that sort of thing....

...And will hit a "dead end" with their irrational speculations everytime, sooner or later....

115 posted on 01/19/2014 4:26:16 PM PST by betty boop (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. —Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Homer1
our bodies and life timeline are really the intersection of our mufti-dimensional selves...

mufti-dimensional selves? Good Lord, don't tell me there's a fatwa involved somewhere...

116 posted on 01/19/2014 4:31:13 PM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: betty boop
"Not to worry, dear friend! "

I am not (as, of course, you know) LOL!

117 posted on 01/19/2014 5:07:18 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS; Whosoever

Declare the Universe was created by God – Liberals sneer. Speculate that life was created by the Intelligence of Aliens from another galaxy – Liberals nod sagely.


Brilliant implications here... not that God is not an alien “itself” from another Galaxy!.. (or some where else)...
The incarnation of life on this planet -OR- the UN-incarnation(so-called death) is at stake..

To think incarnation is all there is... is “the point”..
Some do, others do NOT..

What an image it is from cocoon to butterfly..
Speculation can be fun and profitable..
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118 posted on 01/19/2014 5:41:10 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
From the article: Lanza points to the structure of the universe itself, and that the laws, forces, and constants of the universe appear to be fine-tuned for life, implying intelligence existed prior to matter.
119 posted on 01/19/2014 5:57:10 PM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: cripplecreek

I agree with you. One of the first things they try to teach you in college level sciences is that all things tend towards chaos. But one look around one realizes that it is a false premise...for every thing tends towards chaos...then explain secular evolution?


120 posted on 01/19/2014 5:59:56 PM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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