Skip to comments.‘FANTASY’ FRANCIS?
Posted on 01/23/2014 4:54:43 PM PST by ebb tide
While some of the medias claims about Francis are excessive, at least one is dismayingly real, one which Coppen never allows: that Francis is more liberal than his predecessors. Indeed, not a week passes without some new papal statement or action to puzzle conservatives and embolden liberals.
(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...
So far, claims of Francis’ liberalism are proven false and he shows himself to be a traditionalist, and an ardent one at that.
Attempts to pigeonhole Francis are doomed to fail because the voice he follows is not one heard by any of the secular. He simply follows God as he understands Him, and that’s enough.
I like this Pope. I also like the way he confounds people who think they know what he’s thinking.
The author of the article should perhaps not have fallen for the liberal snipping, never mind perpetuating it; he fell right into the liberals’ trap.
To me, he sounds a lot like his role model, Francis of Assisi, who was definitely different and always thought “outside the box.” Some even said Francis of A. was crazy. But he got things done.
He’s a JESUIT! What part of that do you NOT UNDERSTAND?
SHEESH, and I’m not EVEN catholic anymore.
Yo! The only thing Francis of Assisi and this pope share, is the name “Francis.”
Francis of Assisi was NOT a Jesuit. And THAT is a significant difference.
My friends at church and I are excited about Pope Francis. Not that we didn’t like Pope Benedict - we did, he was a good man and a good Pope - but we’re following all the rules and doing everything we should do and we’re tired. Beaten down and TIRED.
Pope Francis is talking about getting close to Jesus, taking a quantum leap above “doing everything you should do,” and really making Christianity vibrant and life-giving. I think it’s very necessary. How can you invite people to give their lives to Christ when the message is, “You can work your tail off for people and get nothing out of it and feel like a total failure, like me. Oh, what fun!”?
Er, you can’t. The martyrs didn’t die for “Put yourself last until finally you don’t care if you even eat, because you just want it to be over.” They died because Jesus Christ loved them, and they really, REALLY knew it.
Hah! Tell that to the Franciscans of the Immaculate. Tell it to Cardinal Burke.
St. Francis converted muslims to Catholicism. Pope Francis does the opposite; he urges muslim children to follow the “faith” of their parents.
Pope Francis never talks about this to his pro-abortion, pro-homo marriage buddy, Rabbi Skorka.
Francis was about as far away from the Jesuits as possible in lifestyle and theology!
He founded his order (1209) more than 300 years before the Jesuits came into being (1534).
You mean as the liberal media reports it?
How about Greg Reynolds? You remember what he was excommunicated for, right?
How does the new cardinal of Spain fit into this picture? You know, the fellow who publicly spoke against homosexuality?
Ain't that the truth! And that's a crying shame.
And I repeat it here. Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place", Pope Francis.
How do you know what Pope Francis talks about to anyone, other than what’s published? I read the sermons posted here, links from Vatican Radio.
How about Monsignor Battista Ricca? You remember who promoted him to his current position, right?
If you are a baptized Catholic, you will always be a Catholic, because that indelible Baptismal mark on your soul does not go away.
Sit down with a priest and get your questions answered.
I doubt you’ve ever read a full sermon of Pope Francis. Every one I’ve seen has been heavily redacted and editorialized. Do you have a source to his full sermons? If so, could you share it?
As far as the relationship between Francis and Skorka, read the book the two co-wrote together. “Two paths up the same mountain” comes to mind.
I’ve read what’s available from the daily Mass comments - it seems there is not a stenographer or publication of every word - as well as full texts of documents. I think I read the book with Skorka, too. I’ve read several books about/with Pope Francis since he was elected. They’re on the shelves in the county library.
Do you not think we and the Jewish people are in a relationship with the one God?
How about him? Again, do liberal media insinuations become the be all and end all?
I seem to recall that Cardinal Burke is still president of the Apostolic Signatura.
What do you mean by you think you read the book? Did you or didn’t you? Do you remember Francis urging Skorka to convert to Catholicism in the book? If you do, you’re mistaken.
I mean that I read a lot of books, and they don't all stick in my mind. It's not unknown for me to check out a book, start reading, and realize partway through that I've read it before.
I'm not a young woman.
You are absolutely right.
American Spectator is liberal media? You have not addressed one point in the posted article; you have just posted your own personal opinions about Fantasy Francis, regardless of the facts in the article.
Unfortunately he was replaced by Wuerl in the Congregation of Bishops.
I'm really disappointed that you would ask such a question. Do you think St. Stephen, the first martyr, and Caiphas were in the same relationship the one "God"?
When a Spectator contributor collects several snippets from the liberal media and thus behave in the same manner as the liberal media, they turn the vehicle that publishes their material into a de-facto liberal media outlet, do they not? That therefore is the problem with uninformed editorializing. (Of course, some people would never imagine that Fox News turned liberal, but they absolutely did.)
One typical example is the “who am I to judge” quote taken out of context all the time w.r.t. homosexuals. That was uttered in the context of homosexuals repenting of their behavior; it’s not hard to find online.
Relativism run riot.
That’s informative, thanks.
You equating Caiaphas with all of the Jewish religion and Jews that subscribe thereof?
There is a phrase from the Second Vatican Council that is essential: it says that God showed Himself to all men and rescues, first of all, the Chosen People. Since God is faithful to his Promise, He did not reject them. The Church officially recognizes that the People of Israel continue to be the Chosen People. Nowhere does it say, You lost the game, now it is our turn. It is a recognition of the people of Israel. That, I think, is the most courageous things from Vatican II on the subject.
I recommend you read the article below by John Vennari to see how wrong the above statement is:
Caiphas, Foxman, Skorka: take your pick.
They represent all of Judaism to you?
Whoever John Vennari is, bless his heart, I’m not going to have anything to do with anti-Semitism. One thing an observant person notices about all the Wrong People is that they have a gripe on about the Jews.
“Wrong People” - cute term. Did you learn that from Obama? Resort to insults when you have no logical rebuttal.
There is no mention of any need for conversion to Christ and His ChurchSomeone is looking for another Charlemagne, methinks?
The same Jesus Christ who said, " Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me." John; Chapter 14
What part of this Gospel do you all not understand?
Venarri is not an anti-Semite. I challenge you to prove your accusation.; otherwise please retract it.
That's not true. Who taught you that nonsense?
How do you think Lucifer ended up in Hell? Do you think he’ll be forgiven?
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
So far, claims of Francis liberalism are proven false and he shows himself to be a traditionalist, and an ardent one at that.
Lucifer is not a human. He isn’t capable of repentance like humans are. Jesus did not die for him, remember.
Caiphas, Foxman, Skorka: take your pick.
Horribly broad brush, which is, of course, illogical.
Okay. Find the finest brush you can and show me a Jew that believes Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Nor was Jesus' Blood shed for "all". Remember?
Ever hear of a completed Jew? AND...even if the person is not a completed Jew and is a good Jew, then he believes in the same God as we do despite his lack of understanding.
Yes, St. Peter comes to mind.
Will he go the Heaven?