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One Hundred Fifty Reasons I'm Catholic - And You Should Be Too!
http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org ^ | January 23, 2014 | Dave Armstrong

Posted on 01/23/2014 9:29:40 PM PST by NKP_Vet

1. Best One-Sentence Summary: I am convinced that the Catholic Church conforms much more closely to all of the biblical data, offers the only coherent view of the history of Christianity (i.e., Christian, apostolic Tradition), and possesses the most profound and sublime Christian morality, spirituality, social ethic, and philosophy.

2. Alternate: I am a Catholic because I sincerely believe, by virtue of much cumulative evidence, that Catholicism is true, and that the Catholic Church is the visible Church divinely-established by our Lord Jesus, against which the gates of hell cannot and will not prevail (Mt 16:18), thereby possessing an authority to which I feel bound in Christian duty to submit.

3. 2nd Alternate: I left Protestantism because it was seriously deficient in its interpretation of the Bible (e.g., "faith alone" and many other "Catholic" doctrines - see evidences below), inconsistently selective in its espousal of various Catholic Traditions (e.g., the Canon of the Bible), inadequate in its ecclesiology, lacking a sensible view of Christian history (e.g., "Scripture alone"), compromised morally (e.g., contraception, divorce), and unbiblically schismatic, anarchical, and relativistic. I don't therefore believe that Protestantism is all bad (not by a long shot), but these are some of the major deficiencies I eventually saw as fatal to the "theory" of Protestantism, over against Catholicism. All Catholics must regard baptized, Nicene, Chalcedonian Protestants as Christians.

4. Catholicism isn't formally divided and sectarian (Jn 17:20-23; Rom 16:17; 1 Cor 1:10-13).

5. Catholic unity makes Christianity and Jesus more believable to the world (Jn 17:23).

6. Catholicism, because of its unified, complete, fully supernatural Christian vision, mitigates against secularization and humanism.

7. Catholicism avoids an unbiblical individualism which undermines Christian community (e.g., 1 Cor 12:25-26).

8. Catholicism avoids theological relativism, by means of dogmatic certainty and the centrality of the papacy.

(Excerpt) Read more at ourcatholicfaith.org ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic
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"No one in the world can change Truth. What we can do and and should do is to seek truth and to serve it when we have found it. The real conflict is the inner conflict. Beyond armies of occupation and the hetacombs of extermination camps, there are two irreconcilable enemies in the depth of every soul: good and evil, sin and love. And what use are the victories on the battlefield if we are ourselves defeated in our innermost personal selves?" ~ St. Maximilian Kolbe
1 posted on 01/23/2014 9:29:40 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Why do you come here to divide Christian? What is your goal?


2 posted on 01/23/2014 9:32:23 PM PST by DManA
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To: NKP_Vet

“offers the only coherent view of the history of Christianity (i.e., Christian, apostolic Tradition)”


Hehehehehe! Just wait till Catholics actually start to read Christian history! They’re in for a rude awakening.


3 posted on 01/23/2014 9:40:48 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DManA

I was wondering th same. It seems that some protest too much about how great being a Catholic is. I will continue to be Southern Baptist. I am secure in my beliefs and do not need to convince others.


4 posted on 01/23/2014 9:42:16 PM PST by MamaB
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To: DManA

No - I am sure the goal isn’t to divide Christians. The goal is to increase the probability of salvation for non-Catholics by having them come into the Catholic Church.


5 posted on 01/23/2014 9:47:00 PM PST by impimp
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To: NKP_Vet

Sorry but Christ is the savior not a denomination


6 posted on 01/23/2014 9:49:02 PM PST by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: tophat9000

The Catholic Church is the Church that Christ founded for the purpose of salvation.


7 posted on 01/23/2014 9:50:36 PM PST by impimp
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To: impimp
Non-Catholics?
8 posted on 01/23/2014 9:51:29 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: NKP_Vet

When the Episcopal Church fell to the dark side, I went without a church, even though I was the senior warden of the oldest Episcopal church in west Tennessee, (1832). After moving to Slovakia, I did, on occasion, attend the very old, beautiful and ornate Catholic church in old town Bratislava.
Now I am in the Philippines where most everyone is Catholic, including my wife and our 3 year old boy. I am amazed at how he has taken to the religion. He frequently comes home, repeating the chants, prayers, and “ahhhmens” that he hears in the 300 year old church. I sometimes wonder if he is going to grow up to be a priest !


9 posted on 01/23/2014 9:51:30 PM PST by AlexW
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To: MamaB
I will continue to be Southern Baptist. I am secure in my beliefs and do not need to convince others.

Roger that. I found a good English speaking Southern Baptist church here. It was originally started by missionaries from Florida.

10 posted on 01/23/2014 9:52:08 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: NKP_Vet

3 reasons the roman catholic church is wrong and so far from the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob:

nancy pelosi
joe biden
You name either cuomo

Any church that keeps them, isn’t for me..


11 posted on 01/23/2014 9:54:20 PM PST by delchiante
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To: impimp

It is well with my soul. Thank you very much.


12 posted on 01/23/2014 9:54:54 PM PST by DManA
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To: NKP_Vet

I’m Christian. I’ve gone to AG, Christian, non-denominational and now Baptist congregations. But I’m not baptist. I’m Christian.


13 posted on 01/23/2014 9:55:38 PM PST by cuban leaf
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To: DManA
Why do you come here to divide Christian?

Christians are already divided. This was the result of Luther, Calvin et alii. The author wishes to reunited them.

14 posted on 01/23/2014 9:59:20 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Just wait till Catholics actually start to read Christian history! They’re in for a rude awakening.”

Really? I’m a Church Historian. What rude awakening are Catholics going to have and why? Be specific. Try.


15 posted on 01/23/2014 10:01:03 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: cuban leaf

You’re a Baptist. That doesn’t mean you’re not a Christian.


16 posted on 01/23/2014 10:01:57 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: cuban leaf

Good point which I should have stated. Thanks.


17 posted on 01/23/2014 10:02:20 PM PST by MamaB
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To: Petrosius

We are united in Christ. Not an Earthly bureaucracy.


18 posted on 01/23/2014 10:03:07 PM PST by DManA
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To: AlexW

“He frequently comes home, repeating the chants, prayers, and “ahhhmens” that he hears in the 300 year old church.”

Cool!


19 posted on 01/23/2014 10:04:00 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Petrosius

There has always been a Christian community outside of Rome. ALWAYS! Rome slaughtered countless Christians long before the Reformation.


20 posted on 01/23/2014 10:04:08 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: tophat9000

“Sorry but Christ is the savior not a denomination”

1) Christ is the Savior.
2) the Catholic Church is not a denomination. Protestants have denomination.
3) Christ, as the Savior, sent His Church, the Catholic Church, into the world to bring the forgiveness He won on the cross to all men (John 20:19-23). Thus, the Church is part and parcel of the way of salvation as established by the Savior.


21 posted on 01/23/2014 10:07:08 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I know of no Pope who was not a sinner - yet no false doctrine was ever taught.


22 posted on 01/23/2014 10:08:01 PM PST by impimp
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To: vladimir998

Not sorry, thankful, salvation is through faith alone.


23 posted on 01/23/2014 10:10:19 PM PST by DManA
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To: impimp

Baloney. Nowhere does it say, become a Catholic and be saved. It says, “for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.”. If I misquoted, blame it on my pain. Caught one of my fingers in the thingy which pulls a storm door closed. Plus my eye hurts. Will see eye surgeon next month to schedule surgery which I am very concerned about. Nite. God bless.


24 posted on 01/23/2014 10:12:10 PM PST by MamaB
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To: DManA

“Not sorry, thankful, salvation is through faith alone.”

No, salvation is through grace alone.


25 posted on 01/23/2014 10:12:49 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Grace comes with faith. Not kissing the bishops ring.


26 posted on 01/23/2014 10:14:33 PM PST by DManA
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To: impimp

The Catholic Church is the Church that Christ founded for the purpose of salvation.
‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’
If only the pope knew that. Based on his recent comments about Islam, I’d say someone needs to educate your leader:

“Sharing our experience in carrying that cross, to expel the illness within our hearts, which embitters our life: it is important that you do this in your meetings. Those that are Christian, with the Bible, and those that are Muslim, with the Quran. The faith that your parents instilled in you will always help you move on.”


27 posted on 01/23/2014 10:14:34 PM PST by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: delchiante

Of course, they are bad people and bad Catholics.

They SHOULD be denied Communion for their support of abortion, gay marriage, and a number of other crimes.

The notorious homosexual, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, refuses to deny Communion to pro-abortion “Catholics” because they could easily end his career by giving the press permission to do so.

Which means that, although I believe the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, it is reasonable for a non-Catholic, in the face of the corruption and weakness of a man like Wuerl, to say: This institution is not a truth-telling institution.


28 posted on 01/23/2014 10:15:38 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: NKP_Vet

Duck call.


29 posted on 01/23/2014 10:16:33 PM PST by Octar
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To: NKP_Vet; daniel1212; boatbums; metmom

Would you like to elaborate on point #4 in the article? Meaning what metrics were used to assert such unity?


30 posted on 01/23/2014 10:20:09 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: vladimir998

“What rude awakening are Catholics going to have and why?”


They’d realize that their doctrines did not exist from the very beginning, that, actually, their doctrine developed over time, even their claims to the Papacy and the primacy of Rome, and that their religion directly contradicts the teachings of many church fathers.

That’s the summary for you.


31 posted on 01/23/2014 10:21:42 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: impimp

“I know of no Pope who was not a sinner - yet no false doctrine was ever taught.”


I think teaching people on camera how to french kiss a Koran is pretty bad doctrine.


32 posted on 01/23/2014 10:22:47 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: MamaB

I heard Robert Jeffress on Fox News recently. Liked a lot of what he said. I think that of all the religions that I am familiar with, I am more aligned with the Southern Baptist Church than any other, and I liked Jeffress’ attitude.


33 posted on 01/23/2014 10:23:50 PM PST by matthew fuller (Our enemy list- http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2004/anti-gun-lobbying-organizations..)
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To: DManA

When a group in a debate on other threads are getting their 4th point of contact handed to them in said debating, they start another thread hoping for better weather:)


34 posted on 01/23/2014 10:24:16 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Pope’s have done much worse. Yet no false doctrine was taught.


35 posted on 01/23/2014 10:29:53 PM PST by impimp
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To: impimp

“Pope’s have done much worse. Yet no false doctrine was taught.”


Are you claiming that the Roman Catholic church does not teach that the path to salvation is open to Muslims, and that the Pope was wrong to kiss a Koran, therefore?


36 posted on 01/23/2014 10:30:57 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

If there was stats that said catholics didn’t vote for pelosi, biden or cuomo, I would have a little more respect for the followers..now I am just guessing but they probably do all right on election days with catholic voters...

I know I don’t really need those stats because we have the liberal northeast, with probably the largest concentration of ‘Catholics’ in the country outside of the major cities with latinos in Texas or California.(just guessing).. and those are deep, deep, blue.. every election... liberals are always liberals first...

So something pelosi, biden and cuomo and the like is selling appeals to catholics...


37 posted on 01/23/2014 10:34:50 PM PST by delchiante
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To: impimp

“No - I am sure the goal isn’t to divide Christians. The goal is to increase the probability of salvation for non-Catholics by having them come into the Catholic Church.”

And what a bang up job some are doing here with that, huh?

FRiendly advice...take the example of the apostles and preach the Gospel (see 1 Corinthians 15). When one does this they are evangelizing not preaching catechism. The former always comes before the latter in the NT.

1 Corinthians 15:1-11 KJV

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.


38 posted on 01/23/2014 10:38:04 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Arthur McGowan
They SHOULD be denied Communion for their support of abortion, gay marriage, and a number of other crimes.

They, the Kennedys, Catholic political leaders from around the nation, they go to the Vatican and take communion, when they die the Catholic church gives them grand funerals and recognition, they meet with their Pope.

They aren't in trouble, they are the image of the denomination, they represent the party of most Catholics.

39 posted on 01/23/2014 10:40:25 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Leading Catholic and non-Catholic theologians have done just that for over 2000 years and have come to the same conclusions that Protestantism has pawned a “cluster of heresies” and accounts of the 35, 000 different brands of Protestants sects and cults from David Koresh to Jim Jones to Rev. Moon to the Billy Grahams, Schullers, Osteens, and Rev. Jeremiah Wrights of our time.


40 posted on 01/23/2014 10:43:34 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

“Leading Catholic and non-Catholic theologians have done just that for over 2000 years”


Weird, I don’t remember Calvin or Luther or any of those “leading non-Catholic theologians” making such a stupid concession.


41 posted on 01/23/2014 10:44:58 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: impimp

“The Catholic Church is the Church that Christ founded for the purpose of salvation.”

Modifiers are important. The example we have in the NT is of the apostles and disciples preaching the Gospel (see 1 Corinthians 15) and those who believed went down in the water and were added to the Body of Christ-church. The Gospel is not the catechism. Salvation comes from the shed Blood of Christ for the remission of sins. The church is not the object of salvation but the body of the saved believers.

Put differently, the church does not justify, sanctify or glorify a believer. That is the Work of Jesus Christ as each who are called by the Father and convicted by the Holy Spirit.


42 posted on 01/23/2014 10:48:50 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter

Matthew 18:15-17
New International Version (NIV)
Dealing With Sin in the Church

15 “If your brother or sister[a] sins,[b] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Sometimes catechism might take primacy over evangelization.


43 posted on 01/23/2014 10:49:10 PM PST by impimp
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To: DManA
I agree DManA -- there is no point in this divisory tactic -- and I'm a Catholic.

I am happy and truly believe in what I believe, but provoking other Christians this way will not get you or others to agree with me, rather it will only cause hatred and shut ears

44 posted on 01/23/2014 10:52:54 PM PST by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: DManA

nor a city-state.


45 posted on 01/23/2014 10:54:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: redleghunter
The example we have in the NT is of the apostles and disciples preaching the Gospel (see 1 Corinthians 15) and those who believed went down in the water and were added to the Body of Christ-church. The Gospel is not the catechism. Salvation comes from the shed Blood of Christ for the remission of sins. The church is not the object of salvation but the body of the saved believers.

Put differently, the church does not justify, sanctify or glorify a believer. That is the Work of Jesus Christ as each who are called by the Father and convicted by the Holy Spirit.

What are you? I like how you teach.

46 posted on 01/23/2014 10:56:11 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

All salvation is through the Catholic Church, which Christ founded. Non-Catholics, and non-Christians, have the possibility of salvation if they cooperate with the grace that God has given them. There is also the concept of invincible ignorance. The possibility of salvation exists if someone is not a Catholic because they never really learned what it was through no fault of their own(e.g. lived in a jungle, or even a Christian who doesn’t fully understand Catholicism).

I think kissing the Koran was a bad idea. Again, popes have done worse and may very well do worse in the future.


47 posted on 01/23/2014 10:57:38 PM PST by impimp
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To: vladimir998

justified by faith alone , not works

saved by grace alone, not earned

for determining our Christian beliefs and any disputes about our faith, it’s the bible alone, above man’s traditions or separate writings


48 posted on 01/23/2014 11:00:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Petrosius

Julius II and Leo X had absolutely no part I am sure.


49 posted on 01/23/2014 11:01:29 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: vladimir998
>>>Christ, as the Savior, sent His Church, the Catholic Church, into the world to bring the forgiveness He won on the cross to all men (John 20:19-23). Thus, the Church is part and parcel of the way of salvation as established by the Savior.<<<

The Church sits on heavenly mount Sion, not in a dusty old city in Italy:

"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant. . ." (Heb 12:22-24)

There is no chain-of-command in the Church.

Where is the part that says we should call our church leader "Father?"

Philip

50 posted on 01/23/2014 11:04:02 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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