Skip to comments.Who’s ‘Godless’ Now? Russia Says It’s U.S.
Posted on 01/29/2014 7:11:20 AM PST by marshmallow
MOSCOW At the height of the Cold War, it was common for American conservatives to label the officially atheist Soviet Union a godless nation.
More than two decades on, history has come full circle, as the Kremlin and its allies in the Russian Orthodox Church hurl the same allegation at the West.
Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.
In his state of the nation address in mid-December, Mr. Putin also portrayed Russia as a staunch defender of traditional values against what he depicted as the morally bankrupt West. Social and religious conservatism, the former KGB officer insisted, is the only way to prevent the world from slipping into chaotic darkness.
As part of this defense of Christian values, Russia has adopted a law banning homosexual propaganda and another that makes it a criminal offense to insult the religious sensibilities of believers.
The law on religious sensibilities was adopted in the wake of a protest in Moscows largest cathedral by a female punk rock group against the Orthodox Churchs support of Mr. Putin. Kremlin-run television said the groups demonic protest was funded by some Americans.
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I have never cared what Russia thinks of this great Nation.
Effing Ruskie perverts. You did everything in your power to subvert the country only so you could crow that you’re better.
I think the cold reality is that any person with an eye and ear for History realizes that decadence is the start of the decay of any society or nation.
Putin realizes that...even China. We’re on a very quick spiral downward. Aside from a few voices in the Catholic Church and some local pastors, no takes on the Gay and Lesbian lobby in this country.
But what nice about Capitalism, all things shake out. Homosexuality was considered a medical illness, with tons a research to back this up. The Gay lobby was successful in making in a normal lifestyle no longer with an ICD9 Code.
I’d like to think that Putin is sincere, but I think he simply realizes that he can rally his country thru the church better than he can otherwise.
Russia is making a valid point.
Russia is on its own, a relatively hostile nation, and we should in no way forget their history.
But yet, we have sent American industry to a still-communist nation which now exports more than we do.
Times change. Our side needs to open our eyes, and start to pay attention that we have a new challenger.
We need to pay close attention to Russia, but we also need to pay close attention to China, yet I see absolutely zero evidence that (either) of our political parties is paying attention to China yet.
China is now the largest exporter on earth.
And China is a massive communist nation.
Wake up people. Bring back American jobs.
Great nations don’t do what this nation is doing now.
Even if said accusation does not apply to those of us in most of flyover country.
Even a significant portion of self-professed Christians are all to happy to put their religion in the back seat and surrender to the godless ACLU homosexual mafia in exchange for extracting more free stuff from their fellow Americans. And that includes many in the GOP as well.
Why not? He was brought up surrounded by the effects of godless society without hope. My mother was Russian Orthodox, and it seemed that the religion is much more spiritual and connected to its values than the RC church has become.
I can believe that it has influenced Putin. He's an intelligent, accomplished man who cares about his country. We should be so fortunate.
You nailed it!
Correct, but that doesn’t mean Russian attitudes aren’t changing. The fact that Putin appeals to these ideals says something about how the Russians identify with them.
And mentioning China in all this is important. Nowhere is religious feeling growing faster than in China, and there is a large segment in the communist party who know their country is plagued by degeneracy because of the vacuous hole left in the culture after Mao demolished Confucianism. It will be a slow and gradual change of course, but the recent rhetoric surrounding the one-child policy indicates China may be leaning more toward Russia’s trajectory than ours.
I look around and see this reject basketballer Collins at the SOTU, I see unadulterated debauchery at the Grammy awards from the digusting pig that is Madonna, I see the crap they put in kids shows and the crap teachers spew in classrooms.
Whether we want to admit it or not, we are being Europeanized... and that will be devastating for America.
Maybe we should be looking at ourselves and that we will find we are falling apart as a moral conservative Constitutional nation. Look at the Hollywood trash and most of the movies are blood and spilled guts. One hard look at King Obama and his communists organization is enough to make a sane person cry. We are decaying at a rapid pace. I hope someday we will find someone like a Regan and pull us back. Rome was once a great nation and it fell in some ways like we are heading.
By the way, miss Romney yet?
Yet China is into free markets bigtime.
.....But safe to say, it has an important point.
I would be interested in an analysis of how the Catholic Church has lost so much influence in its homelands of Italy, Spain, and Portugal, but the same has not happened in Russia.
How do the operations of these churches change the outcome they produce?
To hell with that commie KGB slime ball Puke-in. Who cares what he thinks? His KGB subverted our nation through useful idiot commie Americans and now he dares lecture us? He is attempting to persuade even traditional minded Americans to view our own govt disdainfully.
As long as we have patriotic Americans, that will never happen. What will happen...God willing...is that Russia and its perverted ideology gets cast upon the “ash heap of history” and that communism is given its rightful place in history...as a godless, life killing, freedom restricting, death loving ideology that has no place among people who would be free.
You think China’s markets are free?
Foreigners cannot truly participate in China’s markets. Not as true, majority owners.
China is a communist nation. Still. Communist. They are a pro-Chinese, aggressively competitive nation, but they are communist.
We need to look very clearly at the nation we are building up so quickly.
I think we very much, need to stop sending US money to China, and start to build up America.
....But SAD to say, even those who are NOT our friends, often God DOES speak to us via them.
This great nation is filled with sinners who will not repent. The truth is the truth, as much as it hurts.
American culture is 90% filth and pride.
Yes China is still communist, but why did they permit free markets? Have you not seen their cities in pictures, they have high rise towers that would surprise you.
Not that there isn’t something to this, but if it was as black and white as this then wouldn’t the abortion rate reflect that? It doesn’t, yet. Russia has come waaaay down since the horrific 230+ abortions for every 100 live births in the early 90s, but it is still higher than the US, at least so far.
In any case I’m not sure any nation can proclaim itself civilized and Christian when the murder of unborn people is legal, and that includes both the US and Russia.
China today is more Fascist than Communist.
I've always understood that my mother's generation, brought up Russian Orthodox, were more connected to the spiratual. Some of my cousins, in fact, returned to the Orthodox faith of their parents.
Please see post number 17. Thank-you.
Well, I certainly can’t argue with a fact. America is becoming a Godless, degenerate cesspool. Awash in a culture of homosex, dope and deviancy. No longer the country I spent my life pledging allegiance to.
Solzhenitsyn predicted, the West would fall apart once the Soviet Union fell.
I would submit something else is speaking through him. He and his comrades devote their lives to the communist cause and worked diligently to bring America to the point where we are. He then seems to be mocking us as “godless”. He’s done this before. While I agree that we are a nation that has lost faith in the God of our fathers, I reject his words as I would reject the words of a demon mocking someone who lost their faith.
I completely understand that China is now the world’s biggest exporter.
Bigger than America. Biggest anywhere.
What I am saying is that huge, increasingly assertive nation is COMMUNIST.
They are a closed society. Foreigners cannot participate, except as minorities.
Foreigners cannot buy land there.
China is a massive, closed society. Republicans need to bring American money back to America.
China is no longer developing. (well they are developing, but they are completely developed at the same time)
America needs to manufacture things.
The sad reality is that after 70+ years of godless Communism, the Russian people today are less rooted in their religious traditions than the West and therefore more vulnerable/sensitive to outside influences.
The Orthodox church in Russia deserves credit for sounding a warning about the expansion of a corrupt and decadent western culture, regardless which political figures co-opt the message.
Here is what I have found, it will floor you:
Shanghai then and now.
Yes is is pretty incredible that the entire globe has sent money there, to build up a huge manufacturing nation.
I know China is huge. I know America is sold out.
That is what I am afraid of.
America needs to return American industry, right here.
We brought ourselves to were we are all by ourselves.
The tower that is going up on the right side, will be second to the one in Dubbi, UAE I believe.
I have to not agree with you, even those who mock, like it or not, often the Lord speaks to us.
What I am pointing out, is that China’s miracle economy is attained by a closed communist nation.
China is not America.
China is closed. Communist. China is now the world’s largest exporter.
China is winning.
We are helping them. American conservatives, are now on the side opposing America.
We are on the wrong side.
Ultimately we are responsible, I agree. But the process of ideological subversion and psychological warfare is powerful. It can only be defended against if a critical number of people targeted for subversion are AWARE of what is occurring. It’s similar to hypnosis or Neuro-linguistic programming. One is less likely to be influenced by such methods if they are aware of the process.
It was all that trade.
Great nations don’t allow foreign owned corporations to influence government policy.
When your enemies speak really bad of you, you know you are in trouble.
Russia is not perfect but it's emerging from a most profound darkness and moving slowly towards the light. We, on the other hand, are heading in the opposite direction.
I wonder if it was the Lord speaking through Putin when he also offered Russia as an example of a defender of traditional values. Putin is engaging in subversive techniques and inactive measures by first, criticizing us, then offering his nation as an example and alternative to the “evil” of America. I wonder what the souls of the 20-50 million Russians murdered by Putin’s Russia would agree.
We do not have “trade” with China.
We sell China something in the range of 100 billion in a year.
China sells America 400 billion.
That is not trade. That is a huge, massive inbalance. 4/1 is not trade. It is an unacceptable sell-out.
Go in any American store now. Pick up anything. Anywhere. In any department.
“Made in China”. Meanwhile our own unemployment rate is now unacceptably high.
America is sold out. Bring back American manufacturing.
That is why they the money that come from the USA.
In the book Disinformation, which I am currently reading, the former head of the Romanian Police, then a soviet bloc, claims that even the so called collapse of communism was by design. He claims that Russia today is run by former KGB agents and they are the same communists. Russia is not headed in the direction of faith and freedom..that is a lie. They are still on the path of tyranny. The only difference now is that they are leading us down that same path. Don’t make the mistake of thinking they are moving towards freedom. That is a lie.
Yet for some reason the Orthodox Church is being treated with kid gloves................Hmmmmmmmmm.
Considering the opposite directions America and Russia seem to be heading, I often wonder of the potential of a future scenario in which Russia will be the last man standing in fighting for Christianity and Western values, coming into direct conflict with America, which has devolved into a genuinely evil empire which celebrates depravity and decadence.
Besides the reversal of the old Cold War dichotomy, it also sounds like a sort of dystopian sci-fi novel... but in many ways, it no longer strikes me as all that far-fetched.
Especially when I see how America has so distinctly changed. Everything in the culture that was once regarded good and virtuous is now viciously attacked and maligned, while everything once regarded vile and debased is praised and celebrated. America has become a real mirror-universe to all that it once stood for and the greatness it once represented.
BTW, who wrote book, “Disinformation” ?
I am wondering too myself.