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German Bishops Tell Vatican: Catholics Reject Sex Rules
Reuters ^ | 2/3/14 | Tom Heneghan

Posted on 02/03/2014 7:38:38 PM PST by marshmallow

Germany’s Catholic bishops, responding to a worldwide Vatican survey, said on Monday that many Church teachings on sexual morality were either unknown to the faithful there or rejected as unrealistic and heartless.

They said the survey, drawn up for a synod on possible reforms in October, showed most German Catholics disputed Church bans on birth control and premarital or gay sex and criticized rules barring the divorced from remarriage in church.

The results will not be news to many Catholics, especially in affluent Western countries, but the blunt official admission of this wide gap between policy and practice is uncommon and bound to raise pressure on Pope Francis to introduce reforms.

Bishops in Germany, one of the richest and most influential national churches in the 1.2-billion-strong Catholic world, have been pressing the Vatican to reform, especially over divorce.

(Excerpt) Read more at uk.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Theology
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"New evangelization" anyone? It can start right here. This is what 50 years of "renewal" has brought us. The rest is just a pipe dream while this elephant is in the room.
1 posted on 02/03/2014 7:38:38 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

If the church wants to follow the Lutheran Church into a shallow grave, its free to do so. Hope they don’t.


2 posted on 02/03/2014 7:43:46 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: marshmallow

While almost all German Catholics approved artificial birth control, the “vast majority are against abortion”

Well, that’s weird. No Pelosi or Biden equivalents there?


3 posted on 02/03/2014 7:45:18 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: marshmallow

“most German Catholics disputed Church bans on birth control and premarital or gay sex and criticized rules barring the divorced from remarriage in church.”

IOW, they dispute ANY sexual morality. Anything goes...hedonism....no surprise, though.

(sigh)


4 posted on 02/03/2014 7:49:55 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: marshmallow

The German bishops haven’t been doing their job.


5 posted on 02/03/2014 7:51:55 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: marshmallow

Many are called. Few are chosen.


6 posted on 02/03/2014 7:52:07 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: marshmallow

Well then, let’s take a vote and we’ll let God know in the morning what the new rules are.


7 posted on 02/03/2014 7:52:49 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: All
The results will not be news to many Catholics, especially in affluent Western countries, but the blunt official admission of this wide gap between policy and practice is uncommon eand bound to raise pressure on Pope Francis to introduce reforms. Bishops in Germany, one of the richest and most influential national churches in the 1.2-billion-strong Catholic world, have been pressing the Vatican to reform, especially over divorce.

PFL

8 posted on 02/03/2014 7:55:23 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: marshmallow

If the Catholic Church properly enforced its rules, it would still have about 250M members. Realistically, that’s what it has now, the rest are just warming the pews and taking Communion in vain.

Satan does not want his own church, he wants The Church. He’s almost there, and completely owns some denominations, but he will never prevail. Satan is instrumental in separating the goats from the sheep.


9 posted on 02/03/2014 8:03:38 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: marshmallow

The new Protestants. If they don’t like it they can leave. Or have they just been willfully UNeducated to the Faith. Makes me think of Martin Luther for some reason.


10 posted on 02/03/2014 8:04:40 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: bboop
The new Protestants. If they don’t like it they can leave.

If there's one thing that the Catholic Church is good at, it's "splintering".

11 posted on 02/03/2014 8:14:52 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: bboop

“The new Protestants. If they don’t like it they can leave. Or have they just been willfully UNeducated to the Faith. Makes me think of Martin Luther for some reason.”

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12 posted on 02/03/2014 8:15:41 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Would you care to give a sentence or two of overview of those videos before I commit the rest of the evening to them? Thanks.


13 posted on 02/03/2014 8:20:51 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: bboop
Makes me think of Martin Luther for some reason.

Yeah, Luther was an UNeducated Catholic as a Doctor of the church, Leo X a paragon of papal virtue.

14 posted on 02/03/2014 8:42:18 PM PST by xone
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To: steve86

David Wilkerson received a Vision in 1973 regarding the future of the United States. He published the book entitled “The Vision.”

“Wilkerson saw “Worldwide recession caused by economic confusion”; “Nature having labor pains”; “A flood of filth and a baptism of dirt in America”; “Rebellion in the home”; and “A persecution madness against truly Spirit filled Christians who love Jesus Christ”.

David Wilkerson was first known for his New York Ministry to troubled youths (Teen Challenge) and wrote the Sword and the Switchblade

I was the targeted age of that sermon in the 70s. It would be wise to heed what Wilkerson says. Jesus is coming soon.


15 posted on 02/03/2014 8:42:58 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

OK, thanks, I’ll bookmark those and watch in the next few days.

I vaguely recall his name but not many specifics.


16 posted on 02/03/2014 9:02:14 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86
“I’ll bookmark those and watch in the next few days.”

I revisited the Vision this evening. (I'm on Part 4) It is an audio sermon. You will listen to it in its entirety because it is so riveting and so now.

17 posted on 02/03/2014 9:06:12 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: stars & stripes forever
Jesus is coming soon.

Can't be soon enough.

18 posted on 02/03/2014 9:06:37 PM PST by xone
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To: marshmallow

“most German Catholics disputed Church bans on birth control and premarital or gay sex and criticized rules barring the divorced from remarriage in church”

Then they need to find themselves another faith because the doctrine of the Catholic Church is not changing. Would be willing to bet that 90% of these cafeteria catholics show up for Mass at Easter and Christmas and that’s it.


19 posted on 02/03/2014 9:21:42 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: marshmallow

The fruit of the Spirit of Vatican II: Dutch and Belgium churches in collapse and Germany full of this.


20 posted on 02/03/2014 9:39:59 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Cicero; daniel1212; boatbums; metmom; CynicalBear

Poor catechism? Maybe so.


21 posted on 02/03/2014 10:00:09 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: bboop

LOL, Dr. of theology Luther has to always be mentioned when things are arwry in Roman Catholicism:)

Maybe the German Catholics are staying because the Protestant churches won’t have them. There an assertion for an assertion.


22 posted on 02/03/2014 10:04:15 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter

LOL It has to be. It’s the only explanation.


23 posted on 02/03/2014 10:04:22 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: xone

Don’t forget that “wonderful” pope Julius before Leo.


24 posted on 02/03/2014 10:09:06 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: marshmallow

Bishops are supposed to teach their flocks not take public opinion polls in the pews. These results are quite sad.


25 posted on 02/03/2014 10:11:26 PM PST by faithhopecharity (C?)
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To: NKP_Vet

A majority of an entire nation of Catholics with a whimsical view of morality? How did that happen?


26 posted on 02/03/2014 10:17:03 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter
Maybe the German Catholics are staying because the Protestant churches won’t have them. There an assertion for an assertion.

And a darn fine one at that! ;o)

27 posted on 02/03/2014 11:32:37 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: redleghunter; xone

And Alexander VI (Rodrigo Borgia) was right before them.


28 posted on 02/03/2014 11:34:34 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: marshmallow
bound to raise pressure on Pope Francis to introduce reforms.

...or to reignite teaching efforts.

Why do seculars always assume the Catholics, or any other church, should change doctrines to fit society's views, when what matters are God's views?

(An) Answer: the seculars believe God was created in their image, and doesn't really exist except as a concept.

29 posted on 02/04/2014 12:30:20 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: SampleMan

Ha ha... now God laughs!


30 posted on 02/04/2014 12:36:09 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: marshmallow
They said the survey, drawn up for a synod on possible reforms in October

There will be no reforms. The survey was taken to find out how clergy is handling these issues.

31 posted on 02/04/2014 4:23:54 AM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: redleghunter

“A majority of an entire nation of Catholics with a whimsical view of morality”.

You mean sort of like protestants, who go their merry way, believing whatever they feel like believing, and most never going in the front door of a church. The devil has been winning for years.......in all forms of Christianity.


32 posted on 02/04/2014 5:50:51 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: marshmallow
I think it is more illustrate of what is going on in Germany.
I suspect a similar poll would give the same results taken among the State church.

I would also expect that a poll taken among the Free Church members, and among daily mass goers and older liturgy folks, would show a higher dedication to the Christian mores.

33 posted on 02/04/2014 6:13:37 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Correct I believe.

Many self identify as “Catholic” or “Lutheran” without any understanding of what they believe.

34 posted on 02/04/2014 6:15:00 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Interesting defense.


35 posted on 02/04/2014 12:19:39 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter
Interesting defense.

The same one offered with the sex scandal: "Well what about you guys?"

36 posted on 02/04/2014 3:57:44 PM PST by xone
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