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Did the Catholic Church Remove One of the Ten Commandments?
Tim Staples' Blog ^ | February 11, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/12/2014 7:34:09 AM PST by GonzoII

Did the Catholic Church Remove One of the Ten Commandments?

My mother recently sent me an email from a friend who was being challenged by an Evangelical to re-consider her Catholicism. He claimed the Catholic Church had perniciously omitted what he referred to as the second commandment—“You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth” (Exodus 20:4)—in order to keep the Catholic faithful in darkness as to the truth that they should not have statues in their churches. Despite appearances, we know Exodus 20 is not a prohibition against making “any likeness of anything” in a strict sense because we clearly see God either commanding or praising the making of images and statues in multiple biblical texts (see Numbers 21:8-9; I Kings 6:23-28; 9:3). Just five chapters after this so-called prohibition against statues, for example, God commands Moses to make statues representing two angels to be placed over the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant:

And you shall make two cherubim of gold… The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another…. And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark… There I will meet with you (Ex. 25:18-22).

There are five key points to be made concerning this common misunderstanding among Protestants as well as many quasi-Christian sects.

1. Exodus 20:4 is part of the first commandment that begins in verse 3 and stretches through part of verse five:

You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.

Verses 3 and 5 make clear that this commandment is not simply condemning making statues; It is condemning making gods that you bow down to or serve. In a word, this first commandment forbids idolatry, i.e., the adoration of anything or anyone other than God. The Catholic Church condemns this as well.

2. By lifting out part of the first commandment appearing to prohibit the making of “any likeness of anything,” not only do you have God contradicting himself in later commanding the making of statues, but you also end up making the first two commandments repetitive. They are both essentially condemning idolatry.

3. Though the commandments are said to be “ten” in Exodus 34:28, they are not numbered by the inspired authors of Sacred Scripture. If you count the “you shall nots” along with the “you shalls” of keeping holy the Sabbath and honoring father and mother, you end up with 13 commandments. So the actual numbering of the commandments depends upon which “you shall nots” you lump together as one commandment and which ones you separate. And in the end, which “you shall nots” you lump together depends upon your theology.

4. We believe the Catholic Church alone has the authority to give to God’s people an authoritative list of the Ten Commandments. And the Catechism of the Catholic Church does exactly that. At least, it gives us a list as a sure norm for us.

5. The problem with creating a second “commandment” where there actually is not one really comes to the fore at the bottom of the list. The common Protestant listing of the Ten Commandments combines coveting your neighbor’s wife, the Catholic ninth commandment, with coveting your neighbor’s property, the Catholic tenth commandment. And really it just can’t be any other way because you run out of room. I can’t imagine many women being happy with being equated to property! Some may argue at this point: “Well, that is what the Old Testament teaches. We’re just going with what the inspired author teaches.” Are you really? Let’s take a look. Now, it is true that Exodus 20’s version of the 10 commandments appears to place both women and servants in the place of property.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.

I say it “appears” to do so because Genesis 1:26-27 does reveal God himself to have said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness… So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” There is an essential equality between male and female revealed even in the Old Testament, though this revelation is not as clear and unambiguous as what we have in the New Testament. Exodus 20 certainly does anything but add to the clarity of the point. When I say the revelation of this essential equality is not as clear in the Old Testament, we need to understand why this is so. The Old Testament consists of 46 books written over a period of ca. 1500 years, representing a progressive revelation. Hebrews 1:1-2 says, “In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets.” The Greek word for “many ways” is polumeros, which means “in many portions;” God gave his revelation in piecemeal fashion over the centuries, taking an ancient people right where they were and gradually beginning to reveal more and more truth as they were able to receive it and as he gradually gave them more and more grace to be able to receive it, all the while respecting their freedom. “But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son…” (Galatians 4:4) to communicate the fullness of the revelation God willed for his people. For example, the divorce God permitted in Deut. 24:1-4, he later says “[he] hates” in Malachi 2:16. And when Jesus elevated marriage to the level of sacrament eliminating divorce and remarriage absolutely in Matt. 19:5-6, he explained that this allowance by God through Moses was never intended from the very beginning citing Genesis 2:24, “the two shall become one flesh.” God permitted things early that he would not have ever willed in an antecedent sense as he helped his people to grow much like a parent does not treat a four year-old the same as he would treat a fourteen year-old. In a similar way, though God revealed the essential equality of man and woman very early in salvation history (Gen. 1:26-27), this revelation was given by God to an ancient people who did not have the same understanding of the essential equality of man and woman we so often take for granted given the fullness of revelation we have enjoyed in the New Covenant for 2,000 years. God did not expect his people to change immediately, nor did he give them the fullness of the revelation that we have in Christ all at once; rather, he helped them along as we’ve said. In fact, we can see this development of understanding even in the Old Testament itself. We cited the earlier version of the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20, but notice the change by the time God gave his people Deuteronomy:

Neither shall you covet your neighbor’s wife; and you shall not desire your neighbor’s house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox. Or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.

The inspired author of Deuteronomy now makes the distinction between wife and property sharper by using two different Hebrew words for “covet” and “desire” and by only using the word “covet” with regard to the wife. The two separate commandments now become undeniable. We’ll leave the discussion of the status of the servants for another blog post!

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"The inspired author of Deuteronomy now makes the distinction between wife and property sharper by using two different Hebrew words for “covet” and “desire” and by only using the word “covet” with regard to the wife. The two separate commandments now become undeniable. We’ll leave the discussion of the status of the servants for another blog post!"

1 posted on 02/12/2014 7:34:09 AM PST by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII
"We believe the Catholic Church alone has the authority to give to God’s people an authoritative list of the Ten Commandments. "

That's balderdash... actually it's more like heresy.

2 posted on 02/12/2014 7:46:07 AM PST by alancarp
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To: GonzoII

He’s definitely in violation of the Tenth Commandment with his wealth redistribution naivety, which, by extension, leads to breakdowns about bearing false witness (9) in conjunction with the admonition not to steal (8).

Yes sir, the Pope’s on a tear. Which will be next?


3 posted on 02/12/2014 7:46:55 AM PST by onedoug
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To: GonzoII

Simple answer — NO!


4 posted on 02/12/2014 7:47:02 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GonzoII

Then there is the issue of the commandment to observe THE (not “a”) Sabbath. Extensive research by Samuele R. Bacchiocchi and published by Pope Gregorian University in his book From Sabbath to Sunday, shows that the Roman Church demonstrated its authority by moving the commanded Day of Rest from the seventh day of the week to the first. But he also shows this was done on cultural and political authority, but not on any Scriptural authority.

In a lecture he gave shortly before his death, Dr. Bacchiocchi noted that the vast majority of Christians today do not even observe the Commandment in that they have changed the concept of a Day of Rest into an hour of fellowship, and even then it is easy to give themselves a psss and not even observe that, at least when important personal or family business intrudes.

If we can ask what happened to the second Commandment, we should also ask what happened to the fourth one as well, and not only for Catholics but for everyone who attends a Sunday-keeping church.


5 posted on 02/12/2014 7:49:33 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: GonzoII

The other point, often missed when discussing “graven image”, is the fact this is about idol worship, not carving.

To make that point, it is important to notice this commandment is on the same page as the instructions for CARVING THE ARK OF THE COVANENT!!


6 posted on 02/12/2014 7:50:50 AM PST by G Larry
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To: GonzoII
This is an old and tired argument. The Catholic Church has been safeguarding the Decalogue for over 2,000 years; throw in a couple more millennium for the Jews watching over it. And this minister recently decides that the Catholic Church is throwing out Commandments like Luther reduced the number of Sacraments from 7 to 3 in 1517?

Sounds like an Alinsky tactic - accuse your opponent of what you yourself are already doing.

Which one of the heresies is it again?

7 posted on 02/12/2014 7:56:37 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: GonzoII

All these new converts to Catholicism have the same trait - they were formerly from another denomination/religion or two or three, before settling upon Catholicism after much trial, tribulation, and heartache. They believe they found a home, but their search for a spiritual home never included NONE OF THE ABOVE. They searched inside a box, all religions, and never entertained the fact that maybe all could be wrong, but that all might have some characteristics of the Holy Spirit. Scott Hahn was the same. In Catholicism, he found his artificial, human construct that most resembled something real. Catholicism was the perfect box, no other religious box could measure up to the Catholic box and so they join and sing its praises with all its endless rules, regs, dogma. sacraments, and gobbledeegook. It is wonderful for people who love boxes.


8 posted on 02/12/2014 8:03:07 AM PST by Boanarges
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To: Boanarges

Agreed. People in general like rules and lines.


9 posted on 02/12/2014 8:07:25 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Slyfox

3? I thought it’s only communion and Baptism. What’s the 3rd?


10 posted on 02/12/2014 8:08:54 AM PST by MNDude
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To: MNDude

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran_sacraments


11 posted on 02/12/2014 8:12:50 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: Slyfox

That’s funny, Christ said there were just 2 Commandments....
and said he had come not to overthrow the Law, but to fulfill it.


12 posted on 02/12/2014 8:14:43 AM PST by Nabber
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To: GonzoII

Anything that divides the believers of Jesus Christ is the work of Satan.


13 posted on 02/12/2014 8:16:46 AM PST by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.r)
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To: alancarp

Amen.

For all the debate over the Catholic Church, and what our current Pope may or may not intend, the Church is NOT going to retreat on basic tenets of Faith that come from the Gospels.

It is NOT going to abandon it’s Pro Life stance.
It is NOT going to embrace “gay marriage”.
It is NOT going to ditch any or all of the Ten Commandments.


14 posted on 02/12/2014 8:25:20 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: GonzoII
4. We believe the Catholic Church alone has the authority to give to God’s people an authoritative list of the Ten Commandments. And the Catechism of the Catholic Church does exactly that. At least, it gives us a list as a sure norm for us.

Whoever wrote that might want to look into Scripture and God's plain and terrible warning to those who would change or alter HIS Word. His authority in His Word is His alone. This is God 101.

15 posted on 02/12/2014 8:26:17 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Nabber

The two commandments to love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself. Yes.

But, he also instructed the Apostles in Sacramental duties, because his Church needed to be in the position of dispensing his graces and blessings.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13295a.htm


16 posted on 02/12/2014 8:31:16 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: theBuckwheat
"If we can ask what happened to the second Commandment, we should also ask what happened to the fourth one as well, and not only for Catholics but for everyone who attends a Sunday-keeping church. "

- - - - - - - - - - - - -

If I may ask, are you a Seventh-day Adventist?

For another book that discusses that question Bacchiocchi raised (as well as the question concerning the commandment against worshiping statues, and many other related questions), I urge you to read "Where is That in the Bible?" by Patrick Madrid

17 posted on 02/12/2014 8:32:15 AM PST by Heart-Rest (Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal 6:7)
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To: GonzoII
I say it “appears” to do so because Genesis 1:26-27 does reveal God himself to have said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness… So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.”

Just occurred to me image there were women in Heaven too!

18 posted on 02/12/2014 8:35:47 AM PST by restornu (My eyes of underestanding when reading the Bible has open because of reading the Book of Mormon....)
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To: GonzoII
The Wikipedia article on the Ten Commandments has a chart showing how the different religious groups number the commandments, and has the text of the two versions (Exodus and Deuteronomy) conveniently alongside.

According to that article, the Catholic Church's numbering goes back to St. Augustine. The Lutheran count agrees with the Catholic count.

19 posted on 02/12/2014 8:40:38 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: alancarp
Please educate yourself with the truth.

Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 10 Commandments
The Catholic Church Changed The Ten Commandments? [Ecumenical]

The Essentials of the Catholic Faith, Part Three: The Will of God, Christian Morality
The Essentials of the Catholic Faith, Part Three: The Will of God, The Ten Commandments
The Essentials of the Catholic Faith, Part Three: The Will of God, First Commandment
The Essentials of the Catholic Faith, Part Three: The Will of God, Second Commandment
The Essentials of the Catholic Faith, Part Three: The Will of God, Third Commandment
The Essentials of the Catholic Faith, Part Three: The Will of God, Fourth Commandment
The Essentials of the Catholic Faith, Part Three: The Will of God, Fifth Commandment
The Essentials of the Catholic Faith, Part Three: The Will of God, Sixth and Ninth Commandments
The Essentials of the Catholic Faith, Part Three: The Will of God, Seventh and Tenth Commandments
The Essentials of the Catholic Faith; Part Three: The Will of God, Eighth Commandment

Catechism of Aquinas |SUMMARY OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS| THE OUR FATHER & FIVE QUALITIES OF PRAYER
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 34: The First Commandment
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 35: The Second Commandment
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 36: The Third Commandment
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 37: The Fourth Commandment
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 38: The Fifth Commandment (w / special prayer request)
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 39: The Sixth and Ninth Commandments
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 40: The Seventh and Tenth Commandments
A Brief Catechism for Adulst - Lesson 41: The Eighth Commandment

20 posted on 02/12/2014 9:18:42 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Heart-Rest

Good reference.


21 posted on 02/12/2014 9:23:44 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All

Just one? Keep My Shabbat, keep it holy, through all your generations.


23 posted on 02/12/2014 9:33:38 AM PST by veracious
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To: Slyfox
like Luther reduced the number of Sacraments

Luther reduced nothing. The ones instituted by God have a visible element to which God has joined His Word of promise and offers gives and seals forgiveness of sin that was earned by Christ.

24 posted on 02/12/2014 9:45:29 AM PST by xone
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To: Salvation

Beautiful! Just 10 do’s and don’ts on stone tablets no less. Kind of makes man made Catechisms on endless pages of parchment look silly.


25 posted on 02/12/2014 10:01:17 AM PST by Boanarges
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To: namvolunteer

So Protestantism is a work of Satan. Agreed.


26 posted on 02/12/2014 10:25:19 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: Salvation

27 posted on 02/12/2014 10:38:09 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: xone
Luther reduced nothing. The ones instituted by God have a visible element to which God has joined His Word of promise and offers gives and seals forgiveness of sin that was earned by Christ.

Luther got rid of four of the Sacraments and kept three. Please show me your evidence that contradicts history.

28 posted on 02/12/2014 12:21:44 PM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: Slyfox

God didn’t have seven sacraments in the Bible. Where is forgiveness of sins in marriage? Catholics had them by accretion.


29 posted on 02/12/2014 12:52:24 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

Please read the link at post # 16.


30 posted on 02/12/2014 1:34:26 PM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: Slyfox

Had already read it, where is the scriptural proof of forgiveness of sin?


31 posted on 02/12/2014 1:46:46 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

You are ignoring Tradition and for that we have no more to talk about.


32 posted on 02/12/2014 1:52:31 PM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: Slyfox
You are ignoring Tradition and for that we have no more to talk about.

And for the sake of Tradition, you ignore scripture Matt 15:9.

33 posted on 02/12/2014 2:29:16 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

Baptism

Acts 2:38-39; Acts 16:15, 16:33, 18:8; 1 Cor 1:16 ... suggests baptism of all, incl. children. Jn 3:5; Rom 6:4; Mk 16:16 ... necessity of baptism. Col 2:11-12 ... circumcision (normally performed on infants c.f. Lk 2:21; Gen 17:12) replaced by baptism. Acts 22:16 ... baptism removes sin. 1 Pet 3:21 ... baptism saves by water.

Eucharist

Mt 26:26-27; Mk 14:22,24; Lk 22:19-20; 1 Cor 11:24-25 ... this is my body ... this is my blood. 1 Cor 11:26-30 ... sinning against the body and blood. Jn 6:32-58 ... long discourse on Eucharist. Gen 14:18; Ps 110:4; Heb 7:1-17 ... Melchizedek. Acts 2:42 ... breaking of bread. Ps 14:4; Ps 53:4; Is 9:18-20; Is 49:26; Micah 3:2-3; Rev 17:6,16 ... symbolic interpretation of Jn 6 inappropriate. Ex 12:8,46 ... paschal lamb has to be eaten. Jn 1:29; 1 Cor 5:7 ... Jesus is lamb of God, paschal lamb. Jn 4:31-34; Mt 16:5-12 ... Jesus speaks symbolically of food.

Forgiveness of Sins

Jn 20:22-23 ... “if you forgive ... they are forgiven.” Mt 18:18 ... binding on earth and heaven. 2 Cor 5:18 ... ministry of reconciliation. Jas 5:14-16 ... forgiveness of sins, anointing of the sick, confession.

Priesthood

Acts 1:15-26; 2 Tim 2:2; Tit 1:5 ...unbroken succession. Acts 15:6,23; Acts 14:23; 1 Tim 4:14, 5:22; 1 Tim 5:17; Jas 5:13-15 ... presbyters/elders (priests) were ordained, preached and taught the flock, administered sacraments. Jn 8:56; Lk 16:24; Rom 4:1,16-18; 1 Cor 4:14-15; Acts 7:2; 1 Thess 2:11; 1 Jn 2:13-14 ... “call no one father”? 1 Cor 7:7-9 ... Paul unmarried. Mt 19:12; 1 Cor 7:32-33, 1 Tim 4:11-12 ... celibacy. Gen 14:18; Ps 110:4; Heb 7:1-17 ... Melchizedek. 1 Cor 12 ... different roles of members of body.


34 posted on 02/12/2014 2:58:46 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Your list shows priesthood as a sacrament?


35 posted on 02/12/2014 3:01:01 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

Haven’t you ever heard of the Sacrament of Holy Orders?

Three steps in it.
Deacon
Priest
Episcopate (Bishop)


36 posted on 02/12/2014 3:02:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

There is no forgiveness of sin that incurs by becoming a priest. Not a biblical sacrament. The other three you listed are sacraments.


37 posted on 02/12/2014 3:05:41 PM PST by xone
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To: xone

Christ breathed on the apostles and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.”

That power is passed on the each and every priest when they are ordained by a Bishop.

Straight from the Bible. Why don’t you believe it?


38 posted on 02/12/2014 3:13:23 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I believe that the clergy has the right and the duty to forgive sins in the stead and by the command of Jesus. Thre question is does being a priest incur for the priest forgiveness of sin? If not, then it is no sacrament.


39 posted on 02/12/2014 3:16:15 PM PST by xone
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To: Salvation

Pfft. The truth is that the Catholic Church has no exclusive authority to distribute/interpret the Word of God. To say otherwise (as this author clearly did) establishes a barrier to salvation. All of these writings of/from the Catholic Church do is to reinforce that point.


40 posted on 02/12/2014 4:27:39 PM PST by alancarp
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To: Slyfox; xone
Please read the link at post # 16.

From your link:

Almighty God can and does give grace to men in answer to their internal aspirations and prayers without the use of any external sign or ceremony. This will always be possible, because God, grace, and the soul are spiritual beings.

Grace is a spiritual being???

I highly recommend that no one anywhere trust nor believe anything put out by the Catholic religion when it pertains to scripture...

Grace is a spiritual being??? That's nuts...Don't trust anything but God's words...

41 posted on 02/12/2014 4:37:55 PM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Slyfox

I still would really like to know how tradition trumps the written Word.


42 posted on 02/12/2014 4:45:54 PM PST by alancarp
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To: vladimir998
So Protestantism is a work of Satan. Agreed.

That's okay - Protestants think that the Papists lost their way quite a while ago.

43 posted on 02/12/2014 4:46:56 PM PST by alancarp
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To: alancarp

Coming up on 500 years now.


44 posted on 02/12/2014 5:03:58 PM PST by xone
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To: alancarp

“That’s okay - Protestants think that the Papists lost their way quite a while ago.”

Yes, but since they follow a work of Satan their opinions can be ignored.


45 posted on 02/12/2014 5:13:54 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: alancarp

“I still would really like to know how tradition trumps the written Word.”

I still would really like to know how you make things up about tradition trumping the written Word.


46 posted on 02/12/2014 5:15:31 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

You want a list? Start w/post #33 above.
Then let’s move to the tradition that Jesus was an only child.
Then the tradition that Mary was sinless.
Then the immaculate conception (of Mary).
You really don’t wanna go there... there’s innumerable examples.

Yes: Catholic traditions very often supercede the written Word.


47 posted on 02/12/2014 5:21:44 PM PST by alancarp
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To: theBuckwheat

***Extensive research by Samuele R. Bacchiocchi***

A member of the Seventh Day Adventist church. While appearing on several SDA religious TV broadcasts, his SDA membership was not mentioned, making it look like he was just a scholar who found out the Seventh Day doctrine by his own personal study, and not that he had been raised in it from birth.


48 posted on 02/12/2014 6:06:16 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: alancarp

“You want a list?”

Yes.

“Start w/post #33 above.”

It doesn’t say anything about tradition trumping scripture. Try again.

“Then let’s move to the tradition that Jesus was an only child.”

You think there were other Sons of God? Scripture says Mary was a virgin and implies she intended on staying that way; Scripture says Joseph was a righteous man. A righteous man would not touch what had been given to God. Scripture says Jesus was THE son of Mary. Scripture says those who modern Protestants think of as the brothers of Jesus were the sons of Alpheus/Cleopas and another Mary. Scriptures says Jesus gave Mary to John for her care while he died on the cross. If He has siblings that would be a violation of all law and custom.

“Then the tradition that Mary was sinless.”

Doesn’t trump scripture. Nothing in scripture says Mary was sinful, for instance. Verses about “all” being sinful are not statements about Mary but instead hyperbole. And Luke’s use of kecharitomene: http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a116.htm

“Then the immaculate conception (of Mary).: Ditto: http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a116.htm; http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/ImmaculateConceptionMaryJuniperCarolMariology.htm

“You really don’t wanna go there...”

Absolutely.

“there’s innumerable examples.”

So far you haven’t presented even one. When will you start?

“Yes: Catholic traditions very often supercede the written Word.”

No, but let’s try something different. Show me, using scripture alone, where it says either of the following:

1) Matthew wrote a gospel.
2) Matthew’s gospel is inspired.


49 posted on 02/12/2014 6:24:37 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I cannot speak to how the SDA’s introduced Bacchiocchi. He was on the faculty of one of the universities. However, he was admitted to be a researcher at the Vatican and he was awarded a gold medal by the pope for his scholarship, and his book was given the imprimatur of that church, so I accept that the Catholic Church accepts what he wrote in the book.

I am not an SDA because I disagree with them on several points. However I do observe all the Commandments, including the Fourth.


50 posted on 02/12/2014 7:02:49 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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