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Let Go and Let God?
Overcoming-Lust.com ^ | February 14, 2014 | Jim Vander Spek

Posted on 02/15/2014 9:08:02 AM PST by EscondidoSurfer

Many groups—including Christians—take the phrase “Let go and let God” to heart. The idea of getting out of the way and letting God take over is appealing and has a spiritual sound to it.

Those who seek to overcome compulsive behavior are often exposed to this thinking. For example, imbedded in the 12 steps in the form that most recovery groups follow are the powerful assertions that one who is overcome by sin is “powerless” and needs to “turn their will and lives” over to God. This letting go allows God to “restore their sanity” and “remove their defects in character.”

Does the Bible teach “Let go and let God”? Not exactly—look for yourself.

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It seems let go and let God may not be scriptural advice
1 posted on 02/15/2014 9:08:02 AM PST by EscondidoSurfer
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To: EscondidoSurfer

“Praise God and pass the ammo” is more popular...


2 posted on 02/15/2014 9:11:07 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: EscondidoSurfer

God gives us the grace we need to reform from bad habits.

But He does not take away our free will and drive us like robots.


3 posted on 02/15/2014 9:12:18 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

If we consciously give up our free will, quit trying to force our will and our way on life and ask God to lead us with His grace....He does.


4 posted on 02/15/2014 9:14:11 AM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: EscondidoSurfer

Pray for a good harvest, and then hoe like Hell.


5 posted on 02/15/2014 9:33:13 AM PST by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: EscondidoSurfer

In my early Christian life I, like so many others, struggled with the correct interpretation of Romans Chapters 6, 7, & 8. It is Paul’s description of how a Christian is to live the sanctified life. There were clearly highly divergent opinions within the Protestant church as expressed by the books available and the writers with their varying opinions all seemed to make at least some sense. My grappling with the issue occurred around 1980. I finally just put my books on the shelf and put it aside.

In 2010 “LET GO AND LET GOD? - A Survey and Analysis of Keswick Theology” by ANDREW DAVID NASELLI was published. It was available through my Logos Bible software and I purchased and read it.

Naselli contends that the phrase “Let go and let God” was popularized and injected into Protestant theology by the Keswick movement. He describes the movement and gives a detailed pedigree of the different proponents of this position. No matter what your viewpoint, the book is great in that it puts all the differing views on sanctification from the Protestant perspective in one place and explains them.

Naselli also contends that the positions are not heretical in that they do not deny the divinity of Christ or the necessity for His atoning grace in order to pay the penalty of our sins. Thus, we should embrace all the different adherents (the ones Naselli deals with) as brothers in Christ. On the other hand, Naselli correctly points out that having an incorrect view of “sanctification” is like attempting to navigate a city unknown to you by using the WRONG MAP! Thus, a flawed view of sanctification will cripple your personal spiritual growth.

I would highly recommend this book to anyone who wants to get a correct view of sanctification. Even if you don’t subscribe to Naselli’s tenets you will get a very good assessment of opposing positions.


6 posted on 02/15/2014 9:55:09 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: ReaganÜberAlles; Cicero

What do you mean by “free will” and can you support your position biblically? Where does the bible teach man’s will is free?


7 posted on 02/15/2014 9:56:27 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: the_Watchman

I will check out Naselli’s work. thanks


8 posted on 02/15/2014 10:27:55 AM PST by EscondidoSurfer
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To: .45 Long Colt

“Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.”

Does this help you? Or do I need to get the crayons out? Jagoff.


9 posted on 02/15/2014 10:43:48 AM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: .45 Long Colt

There are right choices and wrong choices, but God leaves man free to accept His grace or to reject it. The story of Adam and Eve makes that pretty clear.

Or the choice that God sets before the Israelites in Deuteronomy 30:

15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;

18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

20 That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.


10 posted on 02/15/2014 10:50:24 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I asked a serious question and you call me names? Are you twelve?

And no that doesn’t come close to a defense of the proposition that man’s will is free.


11 posted on 02/15/2014 10:57:39 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: Cicero; All

The 12 steps are a simple and practical process of repentance mostly derived from the book of James. ‘Let go and let God’ refers to our will (ego) - which if you have completed step work you will seek His will always. ‘Self will run riot’ is used in the 12 step literature as what we are trying to avoid.


12 posted on 02/15/2014 11:32:36 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: EscondidoSurfer

Today I had a situation that was troubling to me. I sat quietly and Prayed for God’s resolution. Resolution came in an hour with no more effort on my part. I thanked God for this perfect outcome.

I am a follower of Jesus and participate weekly in the Celebrate Recovery Program.


13 posted on 02/15/2014 11:37:43 AM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: EscondidoSurfer

Just another piece of Evangelical lingo that sounds good, but isn’t really scriptural.


14 posted on 02/15/2014 11:42:40 AM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: Cicero
but God leaves man free to accept His grace or to reject it. The story of Adam and Eve makes that pretty clear.

Adam and Eve knew God. By nature there offspring don't. Man in his natural state cannot accept anything spiritual from God, he is an enemy of God, as scripture teaches. In Deuteronomy, the Israelites knew God.

15 posted on 02/15/2014 11:51:38 AM PST by xone
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To: Gamecock
Psalm 55:22 Cast your burden on the Lord, And He shall sustain you; He shall never permit the righteous to be moved.

1 Peter 5:7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.

Philippians 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

16 posted on 02/15/2014 12:15:48 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: .45 Long Colt

I can’t get through the lead in between your ears.


17 posted on 02/15/2014 12:22:46 PM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I asked a very clear and simple question and you call me names and insult me. It’s not lost on me that so far you haven’t defined what you meant, let alone defended your belief from the Bible. Instead you resorted to churlish and childish behavior.

See, when people make claims supposedly based on the Word of God I know that I am to compare that claim to Scripture to see if it is true (see Acts 17). I rather doubt this claim of man’s free will, but I asked you to explain yourself to see what that phrase means to you. Perhaps I actually agree with your understanding.


18 posted on 02/15/2014 12:39:01 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: Cicero

Thank you for being cordial. I totally disagree that’s what Scripture teaches, but I appreciate your attitude. Maybe I will have time later to explain my position.


19 posted on 02/15/2014 12:41:58 PM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

You are very long winded.


20 posted on 02/15/2014 1:28:23 PM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: DaveMSmith

Not reading those as the same.

The quote is trite.

The verses are rich in meaning.

If these verses are the origin of the quote it is no wonder there is such a shipwreck being made of the church in America.


21 posted on 02/15/2014 3:05:54 PM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: .45 Long Colt

I am curious why you do not believe scripture teaches free will.


22 posted on 02/15/2014 4:34:26 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Gamecock
Funny, I see the 'shipwreck being made of the church worldwide' coming from judgmental elders who would throw someone in need out rather than deal with issues in their community. Belief, rather than doing.

We all sin and one sin is no worse than any other.

I have only seen 'Let go and let God' in 12 step rooms. It's in a frame and on the wall sometimes. Trite maybe, but it's something a newcomer who was never exposed to the Bible can remember when they feel like giving up. See, these folks have lost God or more likely, never knew Him. In meetings, we WITNESS the power of God in our lives.

Alcoholics, drug addicts, compulsive over-eaters, gamblers, sex addicts, etc all have a God sized hole that is killing them and their souls. We don't send people away to seek help - we're the last house on the block. Without us, it's jails, institutions and death. We've 'been there, done that' and can communicate like no ordained clergy can.

We do the real work of repentance and regeneration. For me, I came to know God and sanity through the 12 steps - not any church.

Luke 6:47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.

23 posted on 02/15/2014 4:56:21 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

There is not enough sin preached today to back up your claim. People are fed a steady diet of Joel Osteen like garbage.

There is no robust Christianity in America, and that is the problem.


24 posted on 02/15/2014 5:14:41 PM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: Gamecock
There is not enough sin preached today to back up your claim.

Claim of what? The elders? I was just speaking from what I've heard. That and 'ooooooo, you're going to HELL'

'Robust Christianity' can be found in 12 step groups... really, I'm serious. I've seen so many lives changed it's nothing short of a miracle. Real people with real problems.

I used the Ten Commandments when I did my 4th step... and I'm going through the steps again in another fellowship to root out things I didn't get to the first time.

If we don't clean house, we have obstacles to seeing God and doing his will.

Osteen isn't on my radar and is off topic here. I will say I have friends who watch and will share something he says... one has 20+ years of sobriety and I respect what she finds insightful...

25 posted on 02/15/2014 5:41:48 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

A church that doesn’t preach about sin doesn’t need a Redeemer.


26 posted on 02/15/2014 7:29:39 PM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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To: Gamecock
A church that doesn’t preach about sin doesn’t need a Redeemer.

Your right about that, but I really don't see what you are reacting to from what I've posted.

I dislike 'preaching'. More often than not, I've found the 'preacher' to be a sanctimonious hypocrite who would never admit their own sin or struggles. I can read for myself. Someone condemning my faults does not help me.

The people I trust honestly SHARE their own experience, strength and hope. I can relate and identify because I have been through the same things. Like I said, it's witnessing. It's spiritual, not religious. I desire what others have... serenity. And, there's no one there to deny me membership.

I've talked about repentance on this thread... the Ten Commandments, which I understand to encompass every evil. My church preaches about sin but I found salvation in working the 12 steps.

27 posted on 02/15/2014 8:09:29 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith
My church preaches about sin but I found salvation in working the 12 steps.

If so, then the scope of it will be limited.

28 posted on 02/15/2014 9:31:44 PM PST by xone
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To: xone
If so, then the scope of it will be limited.

The scope of what? I've been attending weekly Bible Study and working the steps has given me new and deeper insight. I feel true compassion for all. My entire life has changed and I'm no longer afraid of self-examination to see why a situation or person is upsetting to me.

Churches that preach sin tend to lead by fear. I respond to love, because love lasts. If a church illustrates that the Ten Commandments are to make us happy, then I can accept that. Same with the Seven Deadly Sins.

I'm in a good place now - withOUT anger, fear and hatred. I have no idea where you get a Christian inspired program is limiting.

29 posted on 02/15/2014 9:57:34 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith
Christian

Therein lies the rub. The root of that word, the idea of the word is Christ, through Him only is salvation. The Ten Commandments show us our sin, but cannot save, because they cannot be kept by man, they show only the wages of sin. Christ kept the Law for man, in Christ we are reconciled to God, in Christ there is forgiveness, without faith in Christ (a gift of God given by grace)there is no forgiveness of sins.

30 posted on 02/16/2014 10:33:46 AM PST by xone
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To: xone
I believe Jesus Christ is the one true God of heaven and earth. Monotheism. We accept that everyone has their own concept of God and we do not waste the process of repentance on any sect or denominations particular teaching.

Most folks I know were so burned and traumatized by bad religious teachings they will probably only realize in the next life what God is all about for them. I'm sure He understands.

31 posted on 02/16/2014 11:16:02 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: xone
And, the Lord's Prayer is said at every meeting I attend. In it, we learn if we forgive then we will be forgiven.

Keep it simple.

32 posted on 02/16/2014 11:21:01 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith
I'm sure He understands.

He does indeed, but He has revealed the process to man in scripture. While Jesus died for the sins of the world, the salvation attained by that sacrifice is only obtained by faith in Christ's redemptive work.

Most folks I know were so burned and traumatized by bad religious teachings they will probably only realize in the next life what God is all about for them

More's the pity, the time of grace is now. First death, then the judgement. Hebrews 9:27-28. Seek the Lord while He may be found. Is 55:6-9.

33 posted on 02/16/2014 11:27:55 AM PST by xone
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To: DaveMSmith

I found salvation in Jesus, not a manmade program.


34 posted on 02/16/2014 11:43:19 AM PST by Gamecock (Grace is not opposed to human activity. It's opposed to human merit. MSH)
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