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Why is Glenn Beck wrong to support abortion in cases of rape, incest? In short: me.
http://www.lifesitenews.com ^ | February 14, 2014 | Monica Kelsey

Posted on 02/15/2014 10:52:59 AM PST by NKP_Vet

Feb. 14, 2014 (MonicaKelsey) - When someone says, "I am pro-life except in the case of rape or incest," they are using an oxymoron to describe themselves. This is in essence describing themselves as pro-choice and shows they have a lack of understanding of what being pro-life is truly about. Glenn Beck, who my husband listens to almost daily, is a good example of someone who is highly intelligent, but lacks the understanding of what it means to be pro-life with no exceptions. Let me explain.

First of all, let me tell you about who I am. I am a medic and a firefighter from Indiana. Four years ago at the age of 37 I reconnected with my birth mother, who placed me for adoption at birth. The information she entrusted me with the day we reconnected has changed the course of my life forever.

My birth mother was brutally raped at 17 and as a result became pregnant with me. But in 1972 my life was protected by a law that said that my life had value. And even though the law was in place, protecting me, my birth-mother succumbed to the pressure of carrying a child conceived out of rape and found herself at a back alley abortion clinic at the advice of her mother.

While standing in front of the man who was going to take my life, my birth mother changed her mind. She left this clinic and never looked back. Her mother hid her from the outside world. She gave birth to me and never even looked at me. But she gave me the greatest gift I have ever received, on top of my life. She gave me an amazing family. And for that I will forever be grateful.

(Excerpt) Read more at lifesitenews.com ...


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Very good article. Why Glenn Beck and others that support abortion in cases of rape and incest are not pro-life.
1 posted on 02/15/2014 10:52:59 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Bump


2 posted on 02/15/2014 10:57:03 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Glenn Beck is morally wrong, and acting against God himself, with his support of Abortion and the Gay Agenda.


3 posted on 02/15/2014 11:01:56 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: NKP_Vet

Five minutes ago, I could’ve seen Beck’s point.

But not now.

She changed my mind.

May she change many more minds with that powerful testimony.


4 posted on 02/15/2014 11:04:10 AM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: NKP_Vet

excellent article. thanks, saved to share


5 posted on 02/15/2014 11:08:21 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: NKP_Vet

Abortion is murder, and not due to the nature of the sex act that precipitated the creation of a unique human life.


6 posted on 02/15/2014 11:08:25 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: NKP_Vet

P.s., what an amazing story.


7 posted on 02/15/2014 11:10:01 AM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Another reason to reject Beck’s ‘gentle’ brand of RINOism. The Guy is an S.E Cupp retread.


8 posted on 02/15/2014 11:10:53 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: NKP_Vet

Anyone who supports abortion with exceptions is a muddle-head.

Aside from the fact that it’s murder, they seem to think that aborting a child conceived in rape or incest is “kind” to the mother, that somehow it’s healing for her, and that giving birth to the child is cruel and horrible. “It’s like repeating the rape,” they say—idiotically.

Glenn Beck is a lapsed Catholic. Sean Hannity, who also supports murdering babies in some cases, is a nominal Catholic who also supports contraception. But I don’t think there’s anyone who thinks he’s a thinker.


9 posted on 02/15/2014 11:20:29 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: NKP_Vet

There is no reason why an innocent third party should be executed for the behavior of one or two others.

Wise up, Mr. Beck.


10 posted on 02/15/2014 11:21:31 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Arthur McGowan
I don’t think there’s anyone who thinks he’s a thinker.

Nicely played.

11 posted on 02/15/2014 11:32:25 AM PST by Tax-chick (The future is not going to take us seriously.)
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To: Viennacon

S.E. Cupp is the stupidest woman on the planet. It’s a miracle that she can tie her own shoes without help.


12 posted on 02/15/2014 11:36:38 AM PST by Psiman (PS I am not a crackpot)
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To: SoConPubbie

Yes. His two flaws——but as he “progresses” and reads and understands that it is NEVER ok to kill innocent human beings or use them as a “Means to an End’-—as sodomy and abortion does. Then he may “change”.

People do evolve over time with education and experience. I used to be where Glenn Beck was in the 90s. It took much reading, philosophy and theology to give me a true understanding of “Good and Evil”.

Once that happens.....everything is a clear as Black and White and you understand the depravity of man and the “slippery slope”. He still has a ways to go before he is truly “out of Plato’s Cave”. He is out more than most though.


13 posted on 02/15/2014 11:37:53 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: NKP_Vet

I’ll make an observation here.

People who come from pro-life families tend to be pro-life (as this woman here, whose mother chose to let her live despite the horrific circumstances of the conception).

People who come from “pro-choice” families (I include those who practice artificial birth control in this number and ESPECIALLY those parents who tell their children how they deliberately “planned” or “spaced” the births in the family) tend to be “pro-choice.”

Of course, people may change their minds and you might find the contrary opinion within each group. Still, this seems to be the case, generally.


14 posted on 02/15/2014 11:41:01 AM PST by thecodont
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To: Psiman

And she makes some of Glenn’s other staff look smart!


15 posted on 02/15/2014 11:53:58 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: NKP_Vet
Thanks for posting. I sent a link to Beck.

Only about a month ago, Glenn interviewed a woman who went to have an abortion and changed her mind at the clinic thanks to pro-life activists assembled outside. This young lady brought her new born twins on to Glenn's the show that day, there little lives having been saved. Anyone else on television doing interviews like this???

The Almighty only knows how many more may have been saved from that one interview Glenn did, thanks to him.

While I completely agree that all abortion is murder of an innocent person, unless a decision must be made to either save the mother's life or the babies'. I disagree that Beck and others who support (if he actually does) aborting in the cases of rape and incest are not pro-life. They're just not 100% pro-life and it's incumbent on us to change their thinking through education and stories such as this.

16 posted on 02/15/2014 12:01:33 PM PST by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Glenn Beck is a lapsed Catholic.

Glenn Beck, along with Harry Reid and Mitt Romney, is an extremely devout Mormon, with a temple recommend, all three are temple Mormons.

17 posted on 02/15/2014 12:02:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: NKP_Vet

Not trying to be mean but do you know woman who has been raped?
I know 2


18 posted on 02/15/2014 12:03:16 PM PST by Zathras
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To: NKP_Vet

Youre either pro-life or youre pro-abortion..

Glenn Beck and his good buddy Willard are both pro-abortion...


19 posted on 02/15/2014 12:03:19 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: NKP_Vet

Abortion in all it’s forms is murder. There is no space for an “exception”. Adoption is the answer.
The difficult moral choice is when the developing, growing child is a physical threat to the life of the mother. Ectopic pregnancy, chemo treatments, massive trauma from car accidents and other grave circumstances create impossible choices. Who lives, who dies? What morality do you follow?
You, your spouse and your child in a lifeboat. Boat cannot hold three, only two (disregard body size for this mental exercise). Sharks will devour anything that goes in the water. You must choose one to go in the water and perish. Who goes in? You swore fidelity to your spouse, your spouse swore fidelity to you. The kid is the odd-one out. But who among us would throw the kid over? Impossible choices we all hope to never face.

In the same spirit, death sentences within capital punishment schemes are also murder. Life in prison is the answer.

Not sure which one I get more grief for. Both are pro-life stands, one is more popular than the other.

The Lord above gives life. It is not for man to take away.
Defending your own life or that of others is not murder. It is self defense. Armed conflict is not murder, it is also self-defense.


20 posted on 02/15/2014 12:06:44 PM PST by Macoozie (1) Win the Senate 2) Repeal Obamacare 3) Impeach Roberts)
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To: NKP_Vet
What a great article. I remember the day I heard Glenn Beck say that he didn't know what he'd do in cases of rape and incest. I lost all respect for him immediately. From then on I've taken everything he has said with a grain of salt.

In his review of the movie Monument Men he chided FDR for not having the courage to bomb the train tracks to Nazi concentration camps. I guess in his world view children who were and are conceived as a result of rape or incest are inconsequential. At least he should be consistent...why should he care of past innocent victims but not care about present day innocent victims?

Being Pro-Life means no exceptions...either all of the innocent lives count or none of them count.

21 posted on 02/15/2014 12:06:47 PM PST by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: Zathras
Not trying to be mean but do you know woman who has been raped?

Not trying to be mean but what are you asking here? Why is that important?

22 posted on 02/15/2014 12:15:35 PM PST by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: Macoozie

There are just some situations where it’s no body’s business but the people directly involved and the Dr’s. Clearly there are difficult decisions needing to be made in these situations, which if we’re aware of need to pray with these folks.

Life is not always black and white...and none of the solutions are favorable to what is hoped for.


23 posted on 02/15/2014 12:16:25 PM PST by caww
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To: Salamander
It is wonderful to read your comment.

It restores my belief that the Truth has power, and will prevail.

Never give up; never stop telling the truth. It is the seed that falls on fertile ground.

24 posted on 02/15/2014 12:22:55 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: NKP_Vet
Video at Link:

Young Mother Tears Up Recalling How Close She Was to Aborting Her Twins – Meet the Woman Who Helped Change Her Mind


25 posted on 02/15/2014 12:23:15 PM PST by Errant (Surround yourself with intelligent and industrious people who help and support each other.)
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To: garybob

Because what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist matters.


26 posted on 02/15/2014 12:25:05 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: ansel12

He’s still a lapsed Catholic.


27 posted on 02/15/2014 12:25:47 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: NKP_Vet

Wow, very powerful!


28 posted on 02/15/2014 12:27:03 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: caww

When people are planning to murder a baby, it’s “nobody’s business”?

Life IS sometimes “black and white.” Example: Murdering a baby is EVIL. It’s unjust. Nobody should be permitted to do it.

Is that “black and white” enough for you.


29 posted on 02/15/2014 12:28:21 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: caww

When people are planning to murder a baby, it’s “nobody’s business”?

Life IS sometimes “black and white.” Example: Murdering a baby is EVIL. It’s unjust. Nobody should be permitted to do it.

Is that “black and white” enough for you.


30 posted on 02/15/2014 12:28:21 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: chris37

Of course it matters. She may need therapy.

But if what you mean by “matters” is that she should be permitted to murder her baby, then what she thinks does not matter. It is a crime. It is evil. It is unjust to the baby.


31 posted on 02/15/2014 12:30:13 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: chris37

Of course it matters. She may need therapy.

But if what you mean by “matters” is that she should be permitted to murder her baby, then what she thinks does not matter. It is a crime. It is evil. It is unjust to the baby.


32 posted on 02/15/2014 12:30:13 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

That sounds like you and his religion have a lot in common, he believes that Pope John Paul II is a Mormon.


33 posted on 02/15/2014 12:31:02 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

Harry Reid is pro-abortion. He’s also a crook. Does he still qualify as a “devout Mormon.”

Of course, Cardinal Wuerl believes Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic, so who knows?


34 posted on 02/15/2014 12:33:26 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: ansel12

Harry Reid is pro-abortion. He’s also a crook. Does he still qualify as a “devout Mormon.”

Of course, Cardinal Wuerl believes Nancy Pelosi is a Catholic, so who knows?


35 posted on 02/15/2014 12:33:26 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: chris37

Because what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist matters.

And the murder of another innocent child doesn't matter, is that it?

36 posted on 02/15/2014 12:34:12 PM PST by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: Viennacon

Glenn Beck’s done a great job of exposing the commies like Van Jones, ValJar, 0, Anita Dunn, Soros, etc. He definitely needs to wake up on this and other (homo) issues, though.

I wonder if he’s seen this powerful letter/article. I’d love to hear him read it and hear his response, on air.

He could also read other stories of result of rape, but not aborted survivors. There are so many miraculous, remarkable stories out there. EVERY life is precious.


37 posted on 02/15/2014 12:37:38 PM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

No, it matters as such.

Her decision as to whether or not to bear the child and either raise it or adopt it or abort it is what is going to determine the outcome.

That’s why it matters. In fact it’s the only thing that matters.

What doesn’t matter is your opinion of her decision.

Now if you wanted to actually have a practical effect on the outcome, you may want to advise her and convince her that bearing the child and either raising it or adopting it is the right thing to do.

But attempting to force her to do what you want is folly for any number of reasons.

Reason 1, you won’t have a lot of support for that, certainly not a majority.

Reason 2, you would first need a vehicle to advance your agenda, and the GOP is incapable of selling or advancing anything. Evidence Todd Akin.

Reason 3, even if you did muster majority support, a federal judge would toss it.

Reason 4, suppose you did get it passed into law, and a judge didn’t toss it, how exactly would you enforce it?

Would you incarcerate the raped mother for the length of the pregnancy to ensure that she didn’t abort it herself?

I really do not think you have thought through the implications of what you are proposing.

So, if you want to save those innocent lives, I suggest you get to selling the mothers on your position as effectively as you can, because their decision is the only thing that matters.


38 posted on 02/15/2014 12:46:18 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
We cannot know the particulars of a situation where the life the mother and or child are in jeopardy....that is a decision which should be private between the Physicians and those concerned. It's nobodies business but theirs and Gods.
39 posted on 02/15/2014 12:48:10 PM PST by caww
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To: NKP_Vet

I don’t understand how people arrive at the idea that these exceptions are moral.

The child is still an innocent life, no matter how it was conceived.

Carry the child to term and put the baby up for adoption if you don’t want it.


40 posted on 02/15/2014 12:48:56 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: garybob

Did I say that?

Let’s address what I said, which was-

“Because what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist matters.”

That is my position. I see that you want to attack that position, so please do.

Explain to me in practical reality how what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist doesn’t matter.

Go.


41 posted on 02/15/2014 12:48:57 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Convince them that your solution is best.

Otherwise, how exactly to do you intend to force them to do so?


42 posted on 02/15/2014 12:50:07 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

I am Catholic and completely pro-life. My only consideration is the mindset of a woman raped and traumatized making a decision to abort. She is not of sound mind to be making that decision. It is awesome that this young woman carried her baby to term and gave life to this precious one. To all those who want to abort strictly out of convenience, what are you thinking? It’s cold-blooded murder.


43 posted on 02/15/2014 12:51:49 PM PST by tioga (Every knee shall bend, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Harry Reid is pro-abortion. He’s also a crook. Does he still qualify as a “devout Mormon.”

Of course, read the post, I described him as being a temple Mormon, like Beck and Mitt Romney, that means they are all of the holiest and most devout Mormons, and they are examined separately by a Bishop and the stake president every two years to prove it, and are then issued official ID which they must renew annually to enter the secret and holy Temples which are forbidden to average Mormons and partake in the secret ceremonies of the elites, (such as converting Catholic Popes).

44 posted on 02/15/2014 12:56:23 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Jane Long

I do not believe a child should be aborted in an unwanted pregnancy regardless of how it occured in the first place. However, there are circumstances where we cannot judge those decisions made when the outcome is unfavorable either way they go...and their are many variables to those decisions.

I was in the hospital when a young mother of 12 yrs old delivered her child. The father was her sisters boyfriend of 25 yrs. old. The grandparents would help her raise the child...and the father would support monetarily. So this was a good ending to a very hard situation for the entire family.

But when it’s a life and death situation between mother and baby...it’s something where all manner of difficulty is involved and no easy answers for those who must make decisions.


45 posted on 02/15/2014 12:59:57 PM PST by caww
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well, reading the rest of this thread, I guess I’m now in the it’s-black-and-white faction.

:)


46 posted on 02/15/2014 1:03:42 PM PST by Salamander (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: ansel12

Harry Reid, Glenn Beck and Mitt Romney are pro-abortion and the official Morman stance for abortion is exceptions for rape, incest and “life of the mother”. That should tell anyone how “devout” the Morman faith is. It is OK to murder babies if you don’t like who the father is. And all three of these mormans support sodomite “marriage”, which by the way is not the official position of the Morman Church, but it is their position, so they go against the teachings of their faith.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_abor.htm


47 posted on 02/15/2014 1:04:29 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: chris37
Explain to me in practical reality how what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist doesn’t matter.

Please explain to me in practical reality two things:(1) Why did you chose to answer a question that I posed to another FReeper? I was unaware you were appointed to answer questions posed to someone other than yourself... I don't care what you think as I wanted to hear the answer from the original poster as I doubt you have the ability to read minds...and (2) Since when does me asking a question constitute an "attack"? I suggest you grow a thicker skin.

Go.

48 posted on 02/15/2014 1:06:54 PM PST by garybob (More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
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To: NKP_Vet

You cannot be a certified holy Mormon as those three are, and go against the teachings of Mormonism.

Read post 44.


49 posted on 02/15/2014 1:16:00 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: garybob

I see that I’ve asked you a question that you can’t answer.

That’s all right, I knew you couldn’t.

But I’ll answer your questions since my skin is thick.

1) You posted your question in an open forum. Anyone can respond to your question including me.

2) You certainly aren’t agreeing with what I stated even though it’s an obvious fact.

I never said “the murder of another innocent child doesn’t matter”, you did. That is your attempt to put your words in my mouth, because clearly that is not what I said.

What I said was “Because what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist matters.”

So go ahead and tell me how what a raped woman thinks about bearing the child of her rapist doesn’t matter.

Really, I’m very interested in how it doesn’t matter. Please explain it to me.


50 posted on 02/15/2014 1:18:20 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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