Skip to comments.Christians, Donít Give Up on the Homosexuality Debate
Posted on 02/16/2014 9:10:27 PM PST by ReformationFan
Even as we exercise our voice, we need a generation of Christians who are willing to do even more; willing to be courageous enough to minister with compassion and truth to the homosexual community. We need brothers and sisters in Christ, who know the depths of grace and are deliberate in ministering to others by that grace. We must raise an army of men and women, who are compelled, in all humility, to seek to understand the homosexual struggle and enter into relationships that will challenge, encourage, and hold friends and loved ones accountable.
Even before the Grammy Awards showcased Macklemore singing Same Love and Queen Latifah presiding over a same sex couples wedding ceremony, I had most of this blog written as the topic has been on my mind for quite some time.
I am not a Kuyperian or a Neo-Kuyperian, but there are certain watershed cultural issues for every generation of Christians; issues in which they cannot be silent. For our generation, abortion and homosexuality are key watershed issues. They are watershed issues, because abortion snatches away life and homosexuality reaches out and grabs hold of death.
The average Evangelical Christian continues to believe we should speak out against the acceptance of abortion in our culture. And the pro-abortion forces have been losing ground over the past five years. No doubt, much of that is due to the churchs resolve to stand against this agenda. However, it seems to me that in the past few years, Evangelical Christians in the United States have increasingly and passively grown in their acceptance of homosexuality. This should concern all of us.
I understand the discouragement. Our culture has done a quick about face on this issue. It was just yesterday that the Ellen DeGeneres sitcom announced its main character was homosexual (1997) and a firestorm erupted. Now, it seems almost normal to have Queen Latifah presiding over a wedding ceremony of a homosexual couple. We cannot let it feel normal. Make no mistake, homosexuality may be the issue of the day. It brings secularism to the forefront like few other agendas and it undermines the foundation of family, church, and the Scriptures.
Therefore, it should concern us when Christians throw their hands up and declare with finality that the homosexuality debate in this country is overthe battle has been waged and lost. This agenda has fooled us into thinking it is here to stay and must be adopted and adapted to. It has bullied us into believing we cannot continue to speak out against the acceptance of practicing this sin in our culture. Too many denominations, Christian schools, churches, and individual Christians are raising the white flag. This is something we cannot and must not do.
Homosexuality is a matter of extreme importance to us. Make no mistake, this is a gospel issue. When our culture embraces something that sends people to hell (1 Cor. 6:9-10; 1 Tim. 1:10) then it must matter to us. We cannot roll over and play dead. We cannot give up and just let the issue go. We are compelled to continue to engage our culture on this issue and challenge its wayward course. We are not doing this because we are feverish to return to the 1940′s or 1950′s or because we are a backwards people. Rather, we are a people looking forward to eternity and that is our motivation. Neither are we seeking to engage in this cultural battle because we are haters. We do so because we are lovers of men and God. We do not endeavor to be sticks in the mud, who refuse to change. We, of all people, know the value of change as we have been brought from death to life. However, we are only willing to change where we are freed by the Scriptures to do so. We are a people bound by the Word of God; our conscience is constrained by it, and from this position we cannot move.
We must be bold and courageous in our day. Not rabble rousers, but valiant and resolute according to our convictions. Our starting place, should be to disapprove of homosexual practice, knowing that we do so in the context of our own sexual fallen state. We are not haughty. We are not decrying the sins of others and ignoring our own, but neither are we willing to sit silently when our culture calls that which is evil good.
Let us resolve, that as we continue to speak against homosexuality and its acceptance in our culture, we will do so winsomely and lovingly; yet, we are also committed to doing so clearly. In our pulpits, in our conversations around the water cooler, with our children, or in simple talks over the fence with our neighbors, we will be clear that homosexual practice is a sin. We will not attempt to separate love and truth. A careful guard against the subtle language of gay and gay marriage should be in place. Neither one of those terms should be used in our discourse about the homosexual lifestyle or homosexual union. There is nothing gay or God-honoring about the homosexual lifestyle, and it is not a God-ordained marriage when two homosexuals join together in a state approved marriage, even if it is a monogamous and committed relationship. We, as a people of the Word, know the importance of language and words, and it is crucial we give clear articulation of Gods purpose and plan for sex and marriage.
Even as we exercise our voice, we need a generation of Christians who are willing to do even more; willing to be courageous enough to minister with compassion and truth to the homosexual community. We need brothers and sisters in Christ, who know the depths of grace and are deliberate in ministering to others by that grace. We must raise an army of men and women, who are compelled, in all humility, to seek to understand the homosexual struggle and enter into relationships that will challenge, encourage, and hold friends and loved ones accountable. We need elders and pastors with a vision to establish churches where a person struggling with same-sex attraction or even homosexual practices are lovingly warned, discipled, and given care. We need to continue to declare that homosexuality is not the unforgivable sin, but that repentance is called for. We must be clear in our application of theology that identifying the sinful desire and abstaining from such practices does not negate personhood or necessitate the deprivation of joy.
Above all, we need to pray. We need to pray for those in our churches who struggle with same-sex attraction, for those who have given into this temptation and sin, and for the salvation of those who are trapped in a lifestyle that leads to death. We need to pray that our society would alter its present course on this issue and never look back.
It may be an uphill battle, but our God moves mountains. We serve a God who can change things in an instant. Does it seem impossible? Our God majors in the impossible. May it take a miracle? There is good news, we serve a God who performs miracles. We cannot roll over and play dead on this issue. It is too important. It is an issue with eternal implications for the souls of men and women. We believe in the power of the gospel, so let us believe it is good news even in the midst of this debate, and declare it without shrinking. May God turn the tide and do a mighty work of change in our generation, for His praise and His glory. He can do it. Never lose hope.
"We, of all people, know the value of change as we have been brought from death to life. However, we are only willing to change where we are freed by the Scriptures to do so. We are a people bound by the Word of God; our conscience is constrained by it, and from this position we cannot move."
We’ve already lost. God will end this by destroying the country and perhaps the world.
Well, actually the freeing is done by the Holy Spirit.
But there are biblically valid ways of moving past sexual sins, homosexuality being only one such sin, but one which has baffled a lot of theologians who never got involved with such issues.
There is a general way of getting the things of the body straight before the Lord. “Offer the members of your body as weapons of righteousness.” Weapons. You fight with weapons.
In the case of dealing with homosexual sinning, it’s not so much “pray the gay away” (pace Michelle Bachmann) as “pray the straight to you.” The Holy Spirit is the experiential tutor in this process. Good theology and good bible knowledge helps, but it’s something that has to actually be done to be understood.
I think the Lord is pretty disgusted with this kind of blues singing. Maybe as far as YOU have been willing to muster yourself before the Lord, it’s a losing game. But anyone with a heart for evangelism should beg to differ.
We have lost the battle over homosexual marriage, because judges have decided that not allowing homosexual marriage is the same as not allowing interracial marriage. Judges have decided that homosexuality is a minority group under civil rights laws, even though there is no such statement regarding homosexuality in our laws. Since judges have decided that’s how it should be, that’s how marriages laws are being interpreted.
Ah waaaaa, we act like we’re lost!
Well, evangelism is needed, and some of it to the nominally saved who don’t know how to avail themselves of God’s promises.
Grrrr... God is angry. I know it. And a lot of it at CINOs rather than frank lost sinners.
There’s nothing to debate on my side: faggots are an abomination, real simple..
A constitutional amendment to prohibit gay marriage or repeal the 14th Amendment.
And you will be an abomination before the Lord until you can reach out to them like Christ.
The Holy Spirit never went anywhere. America just stopped paying Him much attention.
And the gates of hell shall not prevail against Christ’s church.
That indeed is true and encouraging. Eternal security.
What we DO with the platform of that security matters very much before the Lord. We should be calling sinners to the embrace of the Holy Spirit.
And just when did our Republic become a Judiciocracy?
Sadly the courts are taking the gay marriage issue away from us even though we’ve had considerate victories stopping at a state by state level.
I don’t know right now how to get around that. What I do know is that gay marriage is not the only issue on the table. Another front is the forced acceptance of gay culture and behavior, to the point of gays trying to stomp on everybody’s else’s right to impose themselves upon us in every social arena they can especially in forcing businesses to cater to their lifestyle and propagandizing it on our schools.
The other is that LGBTP isn’t just about gay. It’s about gender as well as age. Meaning they are also trying to erase the normally accepted structure of gender (male/female) and enforce in our public bathrooms and locker rooms. Which leads in turn to their desire toward the real goal, which is to get rid of age of consent laws and get at our children.
I think by expanding in to these areas the LGBTP movement is already starting to overreach, and the backlash is coming. We need to position ourselves for that use the backlash to knock them back on their heels. Though we might never get the gay marriage issue back we can at least stop the completely onslaught of the LGBTP movement’s attempt to completely define sexuality and gender in this country.
Our nation, as a whole, has turned it’s back on God. And yes, we all hold some responsibility in this. When a nation turns their back on God, there are always consequences for that nation. It doesn’t mean God stops loving us, or stops saving the lost, but there are always consequences. The Bible is replete with examples from Israel’s past illustrating this. 2 Chronicles 33 is one example. God caused calamity to fall on Israel until they repented of their sin.
Sadly, even some churches have exchanged truth (as contained in God’s Word) for the lie of tolerance. If our nation doesn’t repent, we are in for dark days.
A constitutional amendment to prohibit gay marriage or repeal the 14th Amendment.
Most delusional post ever.
1. The conservative movement has no power.
2. None of those things will ever happen.
I realized this year that the conservative movement is absolutely dead as a major political force. The liberal movement has been so spectacularly successful it's breathtaking. Liberals control literally everything now.
Rand Paul said the other day that the GOP won't win the White House again in his lifetime, and I believe him.
Apart from that, we still have our spending $$$. Avoiding companies that support leftist causes would be a good use of that weapon, assuming we still have the will to do so.
God has already won and has told us what is to come. We need to be more concerned with our own behavior than what others are doing. Witnessing with the Truth of the Good News and setting good examples are probably the best we can do. We are incapable of defeating evil - that's His job. We can only do our best to resist Evil in our own lives and lean on Christ as He intended.
Most of the states that have legalized gay marriage have done so either via the legislature or in the case of three states, via referendum. I do believe that it will be nationalized by the courts, however.
The Gates of Hollywood have.
Oh, rubbish. Are you going to stand there waving your little white hankie and saying, "I have not yet begun to fight--- and deary me, I'm not going to, either!"?
This isn't the honorable OR dishonorable end of the battle: this is just a preemptive surrender.
Most of us have NOT so much as
We've done NOTHING but wring our hands and say, "Oh, we lost the race" when we haven't even gotten off the starting block.
They're coming for our children's bodies and souls, and we're bending over and saying, "Schtup me."
Please. No more.
Man up and fight.
This is very accurate.
I think the cornerstone of addressing this will be in blazing a faith trail for people finding themselves in homosexuality but who want something better instead. Thanks to the loud mouths, a lying spell has been cast over the country that this is impossible. Now even secular counselors who have stuck to their guns have proven it’s NOT impossible. The wonderful people at www.NARTH.com. But when the power of God is called upon, frank miracles can be seen to happen over and above what secular psychology can help.
Get rid of the excuse, and the support for this kind of sinning will collapse. Ex-gays need to come out of the closet, and Christendom needs to stop being squeamish about the issues that are encountered as gays become ex-gays. It will actually need to talk about sex. In public.
... and yes, evangelicals and Catholics (and Orthodox for that matter) will differ on some methodologies. But from what I have observed, I am beyond persuaded that all may successfully call upon the same Christ, and that it is Christ that brings the blessings and makes the blessings flow. Christ died on one cross for all, not on three of them.
Let’s pray to the Lord and then see if there is an erring brother or sister that we can guide, in some manner, back to the truth and healing power of the Lord. That is the manner of Christ.
First, I am a lot more likely to head out with a shotgun than a white flag.
Second, you are conflating "surrender" with acceptance of reality. I have accepted reality. The reality is that queer 'marriage' and its concomitant harassment of straights (e.g. Arlene's Flower Shop One mile from me) is LAW in my state -- it's not going back, short of major societal upheaval (war; natural disaster). Anyone who thinks it is is delusional. State after state is falling, with or without the concurrence of the voters.
Third, you have no idea of what I have done to "fight". This would include personally escaping from police pursuit after a certain "protest", and letters to the editor, and being harshly sanctioned at work for putting up a pro-family poster, etc., etc. The other people you're addressing probably have done similar things (excepting maybe, the pursuit). And, of course, the prayers. Lots of prayers, every day.
Finally, and most importantly, many of you refuse to believe that we are in the end times. The country, society, world, have been given over to the devil for a period of time. You can't change this, overall. Prayer and personal persuasion can still change an individual outcome (e.g. a woman considering going for an abortion), but to rid the country of evil -- or to go back to "normal" times -- isn't going to happen any time soon.
And my pastor already preaches against faggotry, but thanks for the suggestion. And my kids/grandkids have heard all about the issue, and probably wish I'd shut up about it.
They're coming for our children's bodies and souls, and we're bending over and saying, "Schtup me." Please. No more. Man up and fight.
This part is too asinine. I'm not going to respond to it.
Agree with all of that. And add lots of prayer.
WE’VE LOST WHEN THIS KIND OF STUFF HAPPENS. But the part about broken-up “couples” getting married without their consent is funny!
Domestic Partnerships to Become Marriage in Washington State in June
Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 2:18 PM EST Updated: Monday, February 17, 2014 2:18 PM EST
SEATTLE, WA - Washington state plans to convert thousands of same-sex partners into married couples on June 30, if they haven’t gotten married on their own or dissolved their union by then.
This change is the final piece of the state’s same-sex marriage law.
But it’s a provision many couples are unaware of and some may not even like. Some couples may have broken up years ago and are now married - illegally - to other people. Some live in other states where their partnerships are not recognized and dissolution is not possible.
By mid-to-late March, the Secretary of State’s Office plans to send out notices to those in the domestic-partnership registry, alerting them to the pending change.
As of Friday, an estimated 6,500 same-sex couples remained in the state registry.
Nope, you have waved the cheese eating surrender flag.
It is you who are spouting the rubbish.
Loss... well that’s between you and God.
Nobody expects that “Christians are going to save the whole world.”
Some will refuse.
However if the will to answer the call for harvesters is there, we could see something astoundingly good.
You are conflating being unable to save the whole world with being unable to be a part of a remarkable revival.
Some of us are boycotting, to the best of our ability, the companies that promote this and other leftists causes. I recently did so at the expense of my beliefs in buying American while making a major purchase. That left me with some buyer's remorse, but seeing what I avoided supporting helped me get over it.
We can't out vote the entitlement crowd, but we still have one weapon, and that's our $$$. Do we still have the will to use it?
Amen to that. I try to vote with my dollar whenever I can.
You make excellent points.
To which I can only add that we face many more political fights in the near future, fights we may also lose if we refuse to learn from our failures. If we are strong enough to take an honest look at where we lost this one (even to admit that), we might be better prepared for the next.
Read the Bible and listen to God/Jesus/the Apostles. We will not win that fight - God has won it. I vote and I speak of Biblical Truths to try to carry the Word. I do my best to love and trust in Jesus and to allow Him to do the final justice. I don't bend over and say "Schtup me" and relinquish my children to the evil - I tell them the good news of the New Covenant and teach them what is right and wrong. I tell them to bolster their own relationship with Christ and to do their best to resist the temptations of the Evil One. I tell them that when temptation wins, to redouble their efforts and turn back to Jesus and beg Him to help them resist evil - as many times as it takes.
What would you consider a plan to do what God said He would do and maybe make it so He doesn't have to send Jesus back to do it? Of course, that would make Him a liar and the Bible irrelevant because He has already told us of the cesspool the world will become. he said it and we can't stop it - we can tend to our own relationships and teach others so they can develop their relationships. We can vote against evil when we are i n position to do so, but we will not defeat it - it has been prophesied and I believe the prophesy.
Please enlighten me of a plan that you think would erase the evil that the Evil One visits upon his realm. What do your spiritual leaders/priests/pastors/bishops/popes say you should do to defeat evil? I'm all ears.
1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of the faith; take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you
1 Peter 5:8-10
Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experience of suffering is required of your brotherhood throughout the world. And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, establish, and strengthen you.
The point is not that we will win the final victory, expel the Devil, and redeem the world by our own virtue or our own strategy. Far from it. Jesus Christ is our Redeemer. His is the victory.
We shouldn't go around announcing defeat, repeating "It's useless, give up, give in," as those who follow the Beast will say, according to Revelation:
Men worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?
No. Let's not give up. Trust God. Resist and fight.
Bingo. Homosexuality is now an ethnic group. That's probably one reason for the "rainbow" flag, homosexuality now being one of the "colors" of the human race.
But how did this come about? Once upon a time, not too very long ago, some chrstians decided that racial identity superseded religious identity. J*sus was their "kinsman redeemer" and they were his holy race, and they insisted marrying a co-religionist with a different skin color was forbidden by G-d. There were chrstians who disagreed and said otherwise, of course, but unfortunately secularists co-opted them completely and the overturning of jim crow and anti-miscegenation laws was portrayed as a liberating secular liberation from irrational theocratic tyranny.
Now opposition to every explicitly forbidden abomination is compared to jim crow and religion is branded as inherently oppressive and immoral(!). Only a secular moral/ethical system(!!!) can free mankind of the evils of irrational and oppressive Divine decrees.
This is what happens when you add to the Commandments of G-d (as Adam and Eve found out). Religion is now a tool of oppression to keep "people of color" (which somehow includes homosexuals) down, and it is the "duty" of secular ethics(!!!!!!) to "liberate" these poor downtrodden slobs.
Another result of all this has been the turning of a formerly Fundamentalist Protestant community (Black Americans) into a militant secularist bloc. The people everyone used to make fun of for their simple-minded religious beliefs (sound familiar?) are now enthusiastic secular materialists and leftists. Black "chrstians" have done far more than liberal Jews to secularize the American culture for the simple reason that there are so many more of them and so much secularization has been done in their name.
And incidentally--another result has been that Blacks are now the racists, the "holy chosen race" of their "kinsman redeemer" J*sus, who doesn't want them marrying white trash.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
We must never condone the evil others do, but when we put on the armor of God, we are protecting ourselves from evil and allowing ourselves to be good examples and purveyors of the Word:
Ephesians 6:10-18 (New International Version)
The Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power.
11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devils schemes.
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.
14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place,
15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.
16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lords people.
Our "sword" is the word of God and we should wield it always.
At any rate, I believe we had a bit of miscommunication on both our parts and it didn't go very well. Getting into the Bible is always useful and rewarding.