Posted on 02/17/2014 2:47:09 PM PST by SeekAndFind
It proves my point. He could have just refused. Onan instead lied to the entire Nation. Why did YHvH slay Er ? Why did YHvH punish Judah ? How did YHvH continue the progeny ?
Thank you for the link.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Why did Judah kept back Shelah
from providing progeny ?
This despite Judah's sin of not providing
Shelah to Tamar to provide progeny ?
But in those cases they’re still reproducing heterosexually, i.e, a sperm from a male with an egg from a female.
because it tears the rectal wall?
because it doesn’t bring forth life?
because it spreads disease?
wow
I think that you make a good point and to be fair, the text may not be all that clear. Here’s another explanation for why the ‘death penalty’ was incurred in this instance. The shaming that you refer to as addressed in Deuteronomy 25: 9 and 10 is for the man who refuses to do his duty at all….He essentially makes it clear right up front that he wants to have no part of it. However, I think that we can all agree that scripture makes absolutely no provision for a brother to be boinking his sister-in-law or for that matter, anyone who is not one’s lawful wife with this one very narrow exception of Levirate marriage which comes into being after a husband’s death for the purpose of raising an heir. To be clear about it, that is not what Onan did….there is no record of him standing up and saying “I want no part of this Levirate marriage. I refuse to go along with this law”….In essence, what he did was far worse. He decided that he would make it LOOK like he was doing his duty by going along with the Levite marriage, he did in fact boink his sister-in-law but by then by pulling out at the last minute, he would still avoid the consequences of his sister-in-law getting pregnant. This is in fact a case where disobeying the law is a sin but making it look like you are obeying the law when all the while you are purposing to boink your sister-in-law with no consequences AND a scheme to circumvent the outcome, is a far worse sin. Onan was not killed for ‘performing a perverted act of contraception. He was killed for many many other reasons…. You could even say that adultery was one of the reasons. Why? Because since he had purposed in his heart to negate the express reason why the Levirate law was created, he was simply committing adultery with one exception…. Normally it takes two for adultery but in this case, it only took one since Tamar was innocent. You could even say that this was a form of rape since there is no record that Tamar agreed to have sex with her brother in law except for this one specific purpose of being impregnated as allowed by the law. What this story shows above all is how God views sex….. in a word, a holy act that has to be done his way. But this story is not a statement or lesson about contraception at all.
Here’s a similar case for you in scripture…. Acts 5: 1 to 10 is the story of Ananias and his wife Sapphira who sold a bunch of land. They gave the money to the apostles and claimed that they had given it all when in fact they kept some back for themselves. Both of them were killed. What was the sin? Was it the fact that they kept some back? Absolutely not…. if they had of gone to the apostles with the money and said right from the outset that “here is all we can give you… we need to keep some for ourselves for one reason or another”, everything would have been fine. The sin wasn’t in what Ananias and wife Sapphira did… it was in the pretences and sin that were involved with how they executed it.
Yes, but talking about the fact that there even possibly could be drug use issues, STD issues, etc. is considered hateful. Yet it’s totally fine for me to criticize religious beliefs that are statistically harmless. That’s the real problem I have, not neccessarily with people who are homosexual, per se, but the people with power who push around that it’s all about the threat of some Christian bomber, when the threat of a jihadist, especially overseas, is a lot worse. Or when people talk about how much I should be worried about the threat to my health from eating some fatty food, when, should I do something improper sexually, it could hurt me,and/or could hurt others seriously if an STD spread, but then again, people don’t want to talk about improper copulation that can cause bleeding, because that would be offensive to homosexuals as hateful. It’s pretty much nowadays you live a lie, or get relegated to the garbage bin.
Good point. In fact, if some other form of intimacy was used, a good majority of the health risks would be eliminated.
Only problem with this argument is that
1) Those who are homosexual can either donate sperm or receive an artificial insemination.
2) Only really comprise 2 percent of the population, so the remaining 98 percent should still be mostly capable of reproducing anyways.
The real problem is that it is all treated like there’s nothing wrong with certain behaviors, or that problems do not exist within the homosexual community, when in fact, aside from political correctness, even admissions from such individuals as Andrew Sullivan convey a different picture.
Exactly. It’s like the left endorses every sexual activity they can think of but folks “better not smoke a cigarette afterwards!” It makes no sense.
Importantly, homosexuality is not unique to the human species
There is very little sodomy in animal species. Most of what they have observed is in imprisoned animals, not in their natural environments.
And even if taking that argument as valid that “animals practice same sex sodomy so it’s natural for humans”, animals also often eat their young, abandon their young if they want to, eat or abandon old or sick animals, only mate for life in certain species, and on and on. “Animals do it so humans should” is not a valid argument for any behavior unless you want humans to sink to the level of animals in every way.
And unfortunately on the gay issue we don’t have much of a non religious argument.
Are you serious?
Homosexuals suffer from a host of terrible illnesses and conditions.
Homosexuals have a shorter lifespan.
They suffer from drug abuse and alcoholism at a higher rate.
They molest children at a higher rate.
They commit suicide at a higher rate, and mental illness in general.
The entire gamut of the “gay” agenda is destroying our freedoms of speech, religion and assciation.
Homosexuals in the miltiary are harming morale.
Children raised by homosexuals have many more problems than those raised by a mother and father.
And on and on an on.
Here’s another way to look at it…. God has created His commandments that govern how people are to have sex and there many consequences that go up to and include death for those who fall outside of those commandments. Now within those commandments exists this very narrow exception…. Even though this sexual relationship would normally be prohibited, the exception exists for the honourable purpose of producing an heir. Now we have a guy who wants to essentially do an end-run around the exception. If the penalty for adultery is death, wouldn’t the penalty for attempting to do an end-run around God’s narrow exception be death too? I seem to remember another Bible verse written years after Onan….Galatians 6:7 “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
Hardly. Promiscuity is promiscuity, straight or gay. And God has far greater concerns than sins of the flesh. Which does God care about more? My Saturday night fling? Or the day I was short with my father? My hour of lust? Or my ongoing hatred of my next-door neighbor? The glance I gave to the hot woman who walked past me on the sidewalk? Or the third finger I extended to a passing motorist?
Good article. Thanks for posting.
I completely agree with you on the first part and maybe you've got the second part right. Still, who are any of us to decide what's in God's mind?
Amen to that! Stay out of our schools and away from our children, stop making laughing stocks of yourselves with your "gay parades", and keep your sex lives to yourselves.
Homosexuals apparently lack the sense to be embarrassed by their behavior.
“That’s a terrible counter-argument.”
Several countries are heading into unrecoverably low reproduction rates, Japan included. Recruiting the otherwise reproductively healthy into impotent relationships doesn’t help.
Maybe not a winning argument in the short term, but only cultures which promote breeding will survive.
The issue has a core objective point few want to address: heteros breed, homos don’t. The difference cannot be viably ignored.
“Still, who are any of us to decide what’s in God’s mind?”
We don’t have to “decide” what’s in God’s mind when He has *told* us what’s in His mind.
That “who are you to judge” crap is just so much Satanic deception.
“Hardly.”
Or rather, undoubtedly.
“Promiscuity is promiscuity, straight or gay. And God has far greater concerns than sins of the flesh...Or the third finger I extended to a passing motorist?”
Get a Bible and a qualified spiritual advisor. You understand absolutely none of that correctly.
“It’s pretty much nowadays you live a lie, or get relegated to the garbage bin.”
Yup. Even here there’s enough bad theology to float the Bismarck.
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