Posted on 02/17/2014 9:40:55 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
That kind of response and logic is what RCs often resort to, yet it is RCs who example the most tenacious denial in the light of evidence, including refusing to believe that the recent Vatican survey (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2013/11/vatican-releases-full-text-of-document-and-survey-questions-for-2014-synod-of-bishops-on-the-family/) was real, because the results testify (the subject of a recent caucus thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3123469/posts) to what i have been showing for years, and which RCs often denied as being the work of biased pollsters, or they tried to deny as being RC those whom Rome treats as members in life and in death.
As for the logic that being right on one thing warrants credence on others, that simply is specious, as even a broken clock is correct twice a day, while we also concur with the Jews on many things they handed down to us, but which does not warrant submission to the rest, much less to Rome.
The church simply did not begin on the premise that the instruments and stewards of Scripture were the infallible authorities on it as a body, but it began in dissent from those who, like Rome, presumed of themselves above that which is written, and established their Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, Scripture being the supreme standard for Truth. And this it must do today.
Forgot to ping you to the above.
“If anyone posts anything about the Catholic Church that is undisputed fact ...”
I for one would love to see you post a LOT OF FACTS. If you can post some undisputed facts, even better. I’d enjoy it.
“The protestant guilt of leaving the Church runs deep. There is no other explanation.”
This appears to be “making it personal” in violation of the RF rules.
I think some American Catholics who lived through the Great Depression (a time when many were limiting the size of their families due to economic conditions) developed the attitude that it was expedient to control family size through artificial means. I don’t know how many of the the Depression families managed to limit their number of children to two (generally one boy and one girl).
Nonsense.
Since, by your own admission, you have not read every single post I've ever posted, you cannot make *never* and *except you* statements.
The protestant guilt of leaving the Church runs deep. There is no other explanation.
Sure there is. But your projection is noted.
No guilt because.....
My salvation is by grace through faith in Christ, not by baptism into a church.
The Catholic church is not the One True Church and salvation is not through it.
Scripture rather than the Catholic church is authoritative.
The Catholic church has no claim on me or my soul that it can dictate any aspect of my life to me. I answer to Christ not the pope.
Not to mention, that if I did *feel guilt* about leaving the church, then it would be easily resolved by coming back to it. It's not like leaving it is a permanent decision, at least according to your Catholic cohorts.
Why should I feel guilty about leaving an organization that does not consider the finished work of Christ on the cross enough to secure someone's salvation and adds man-made teaching to Scripture as authoritative and puts men into the bondage of works to merit heaven?
Sure you did. Why did you presume that my comment of They presume to tell married couples how to manage their sex life. meant priests telling married couples not to have sex? (Your comment of "Can you give an example of an occasion a Priest told a married couple they could not have sex? ")
My comment did not say anything about priests telling married couples not to have sex.
Matthew 19:1-13 does NOT say virginity is better than marriage. Just another Scripture twisted to support Catholic doctrine.
When God created Adam, he said that it was not good for man to be alone. Sex was God's idea and He blessed the union and gives a portion of His Spirit in that union.
If virginity were better for man, then why did God make sex necessary for procreation? Why make sex in the first place?
What kind of God to Catholics serve who would create man and woman, give them a strong sex drive, and then tell them that it's better to not have the sex He created them with a desire to have?
How twisted is that?
That alone tells me where the *virginity is better than sex* mentality comes from. It's from the enemy who is constantly out to destroy the human race and destroy the most basic relationship known to man, the marriage one.
Teaching against marriage, forbidding to marry, is a sign of false teaching.
1 Timothy 4:1-3 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
“Sure you did. Why did you presume that my comment of They presume to tell married couples how to manage their sex life. meant priests telling married couples not to have sex? (Your comment of “Can you give an example of an occasion a Priest told a married couple they could not have sex?”
Can you please give your academic credentials that make you an authority on the Catholic Church? To see your postings there is nothing that you don’t think you know about the Church, and everyone else is wrong.
You said yesterday that most priests are now agreeing with artificial contraception. I called you out on it. Told you to show me a source. You of course ignored me because your assertion was false and you knew it when you posted it.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
‘The Catholic church has no claim on me or my soul that it can dictate any aspect of my life to me. I answer to Christ not the pope.’
Fact - the world uses a calendar, the Gregorian calendar, named after a Pope, Gregory.
Solar based calendar is used by the largest and greatest nations, and even the official calendar of the United Nations. Darn near the whole world.. even those who were given the written oracles are using it..
Fact- God has a calendar.. and it isn’t the Gregorian calendar..and it is actually in scripture..
Didn’t know how much of a slave I was to the world system, before it..
As proud as you are of your protetstant doctrines, your world does revolve around a namesake of a pope, regardless of how much input he or the church had, in his namesake calendar..
it runs the world’s business week, the sabbaths for the three major religions of the world and has its very own holy days depending on what nation you live in.. ( USA just had one on the moons day)
And for the record, if it was a protestant namesake, it’d be the same counterfeiting of God’s timekeeping. Daniel 7:25 said it would happen and didn’t start with the gregorian., the julian did the same.
We are fighting powers and principalities that can and has fooled even the very elect..
Biggest fact- His mercy and grace is needed for all of us more than any of us can ever know..
That is very good news. Thank you
I do not see this as third world v/s first world (btw, those terms no longer make sense after the collapse of the USSR) in any way as there are developed nations that have lower birth control than others and developing that have lower etc.
As Brian points out, accepting birth control is a slippery slope to abortion
in conjunction was the pre-marital sex which led to the disregard of marriage and finally in the 90s when people who didn't care about the sanctity of marriage said "we don't follow it, so who cares if hmsxls do it?"
it is causation
We agree on the main point.
But I never thought I’d find disagreement on “what is a third world nation”...but you’re the second poster on the thread that makes the claim that the term “Third World” somehow don’t make “sense”.
If you have ever been to a third world city where thousands of people have sheets of corrugated metal that define their living space, you’ll understand that denying that there is a “third world” would be humorous, if it weren’t for the incomprehensible level of human misery you see when you stand on the edge of one of these shantytowns.
Usually Birth Control isn’t a big part of the residents of such places lives.
There IS a third world, and it is directly relevant to this issue. Sometimes you have to go there (to the shantytown) to understand how absurd your claim is.
Because one is murder, the other isn't.
The pill wouldn’t have taken if there wasn’t a demand for it.
The demand came first.
Sin begins in the heart before it is born in the actions.
You find me a Scripture verse that says it’s immoral to use the current calendar and I’ll consider it a moral issue.
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