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5 Reasons Christianity and Libertarianism are Compatible, Young Evangelicals Say
Christian Post ^ | 02/18/2014 | BY TYLER O'NEIL

Posted on 02/18/2014 5:28:04 PM PST by SeekAndFind

WASHINGTON — Young Evangelicals argued that Christianity and libertarianism are compatible, and some even claimed that Christians should advocate for libertarian causes.

"Christians actually ought to feel outraged that the redemptive power of charity has been taken from us and given to an unfeeling, coercive state," Leah Stiles Hughey declared at a Saturday panel at The International Students for Liberty Conference. She claimed that when government gets involved in giving to the poor it denies the God-given human dignity of both giver and receiver.

Hughey's husband Jason explained that "the Bible is not a book of political theory." Nevertheless, "there are themes we get from the Bible that give a good foundation for Christians to embrace libertarianism or even anarchy," Jason Hughey said.

The Hugheys and three other panelists provided 5 reasons why they believe Christians can be libertarian in their political beliefs.

1. Christianity Celebrates Voluntary Action, Value Creation

Jacqueline Otto Isaacs, a blogger at Values & Capitalism, explained that the Christian worldview also supports libertarianism. "The message of the Gospel, the good news, is that salvation from our sins is offered through Christ — this salvation is voluntary and individual, and this is the core message of Christianity," Isaacs declared.

"Christianity literally starts with the individual, celebrates the individual's dignity and opportunity for salvation, and then grows outwardly into the community and Christ's kingdom," Isaacs said. She focused on the idea that men and women are made in the image of God. "God created everything out of nothing, and we can create economic value out of scarcity," she explained.

Since Christianity is about voluntary action, so much so that God allowed us to sin and fall short of his glory, governments should let individuals make their own decisions, Isaacs argued. "God respects our freedom, even to reject him, so we can respect the freedom of others," she said.

Jeffrey Tucker, CEO of Liberty.me and distinguished fellow of the Foundation for Economic Education, argued that Christianity offered something unique in the world, a universalist ethic. "Christianity should have a universalist, globalist, expansive outlook, always — and that's the free market, too," Tucker told CP in an interview on Saturday. The free market "has this driving force towards globalism, global community, and universal cooperation — in that way, the free market and Christianity totally agree."

2. Big Government Does Not Solve Poverty

Philip Luca, vice president of Social Media at The American Marketing Association, discussed his experience from going up in Eastern Europe. "We really went all in trying to put our goods in a common pot, and letting the state handle distribution and letting there be no poor among us," Luca explained. "What happened is that all of us became poor."

Isaacs cited Federick Bastiat's book The Law, which argues that the best way to bring the poor out of poverty is through free markets. Man in the image of God can participate in the Lord's redemptive work — "God redeems us from our sins and we can work towards redeeming those around us from poverty and ignorance and disease."

3. The Biblical Role of Government

Jason Hughey agreed, citing specific scriptures to argue for a smaller role of government. Hughey pointed to 1 Samuel 8, where the people of Israel asked Samuel for a king. When Samuel went to God, "the Lord was not happy with this – the people of Israel were turning their back on him," Hughey explained. God granted Israel's wish, but warned that their king would conscript their sons, take away their daughters, and tax the people. Hughey ended the reading with the line "and you will be his slaves."

Hughey then pointed to the gospel of Mark, where Christ describes what it means to serve others. "I think it's very interesting that the model of service that Christ points to for the church is stated in direct contrast to the way the political authorities rule and lord it over others," the speaker declared.

Finally, the speaker addressed Jesus' commandment to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's." Hughey argued that the emphasis in this passage is not to dignify government but "about rendering unto God what is God's," since "God is the highest authority, Christ is the highest authority, and not Caesar."

4. The Welfare State Harms Christian Charity

"Christ's example through scripture gives us a model of what charity should look like and government, by stepping in, harms that model and generates tragic consequences for both the givers and the receivers in that situation," Leah Hughey claimed. She emphasized Jesus' declaration in John 18 that no one takes his life from him, but he offers it of his own accord.

Hughey argued that "because his sacrifice was fully voluntary, a bond was established at the cross between Christ the ultimate giver and his people the ultimate receivers." Through charity, Christians partake in this great gift.

But government redistribution ruins this connection, Hughey claimed. "When the government steps in and acts as the giver of what could have been a private gift, instead of having a posture of humility and gratefulness, the receiver actually becomes envious and starts to compare what they have to what the giver has, and feels entitled to the possessions of another human being, which we know from scripture is harmful."

While the receiver feels entitled, the giver becomes angry, Hughey argued. "Instead of getting to decide how their charitable giving is allocated, it's taken from them and redistributed," she said. "They never see where it goes, so they just have a feeling of bitterness towards the welfare state."

5. Wealth Is Not Inherently Sinful

Leah Hughey also argued that scripture does not proclaim wealth as inherently sinful. She addressed a certain reading of Matthew 19:24 — "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God."

"In scripture Jesus has several interactions with wealthy people, but some of them he didn't encourage to sell everything," Hughey argued. She explained that Jesus' warnings are focused on the "heart issue" of whether someone "puts possessions over Christ," and not a mere attack on the rich.


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1 posted on 02/18/2014 5:28:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think they can be compatible by realizing two distinct concepts. 1. There is an almighty God who created and ruled the Universe and everything in it, a God whose only begotten Son we rely on for salvation from the evil we do, an awesome God with control over everything around us. 2. That God is not you.


2 posted on 02/18/2014 5:33:03 PM PST by freedom462
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To: SeekAndFind
Libertarians? Bah! Should Christians shoot up drugs and allow men having sex with men (or goats for that matter) to marry?

Groovy; however, I don't believe the church has sunk that low.

3 posted on 02/18/2014 5:33:08 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: SeekAndFind

Sodom and Gomorrah was full of libertarians and liberals, but evidently few social conservatives.


4 posted on 02/18/2014 5:34:16 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Stepan12

RE: Should Christians shoot up drugs and allow men having sex with men (or goats for that matter) to marry?

The Libertarian response to the above is — Decriminalizing an act does not mean that one endorses the act.

You can still preach against it openly.


5 posted on 02/18/2014 5:34:29 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: freedom462
Ayn Rand's Libertarian Hero John Galt Was Modeled on Jesus, Christian Panelist Argues
6 posted on 02/18/2014 5:36:03 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

However the majority of libertarians support legal access to abortion and the Libertarian Platform doesn’t disagree, not something that fits with Christianity IMHO.


7 posted on 02/18/2014 5:37:04 PM PST by doc1019
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To: SeekAndFind
Walter Bloch sez that the virtue of Libertarianism is its great diversity. "Only Libertarianism can combine family men with Libertarians for weather. Also, with the homosexual motorcycle gang and the acid dropper concerned with the price of silver."

These Libertarians are crazies with a smattering of Ayn Rand's ideas. After 30 years and god knows how many dollars spent they managed to get about two three people elected to office. Support for child molestation and Arab terrorism figure prominently in their movement.

8 posted on 02/18/2014 5:38:22 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: SeekAndFind

p.s. Ayn Rand detested the Libertarians and said she would vote for Jerry Lewis over those “right wing hippies.”


9 posted on 02/18/2014 5:39:43 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: SeekAndFind

Christianity is the process of growing to know and experience God through His Son, Jesus Christ. In order to surrender within to the process you must first be an empty vessel as otherwise if you are full of yourself you have no room for God.

However, in order to be full of yourself, you must be free and out of attachment or dependency upon others or a government. If your will is not yours, you do not have the authority over it necessary to surrender it and grow.

Thus Libertarians are seeking the freedom of choice that is necessary to choose God. That “freedom of will” also allows individuals to choose other paths that do not lead toward the same destination.


10 posted on 02/18/2014 5:40:15 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: SeekAndFind

We have to decide if we support abortion and and gay marriage, and homosexualizing the military, etc., if we don’t, we vote to maintain a conservative America, if we do, then we vote to end conservative America.

This is just another approach to fight conservatism, with an altered vocabulary.

“I’m not liberal, I’m libertarian”, “I don’t support abortion, I just don’t care”, so “I will vote for the pro-abortion guy over the anti-abortion guy”.


11 posted on 02/18/2014 5:42:39 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Stepan12

Are you stoned or just stupid? Christians won’t do those things BY CHOICE. To assume that you can run someone’s life better than they can and to do it under threat of force is worse than the sin of drug usage or homosexuality or bestiality.


12 posted on 02/18/2014 5:42:53 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Are you stoned or just stupid?

Stoned or stupid? This is funny coming from a Libertarian. Hey man.... Pass the refer. Let's legalize PCP while we're at it /sarc

Libertarians -- The Child Molester's party

13 posted on 02/18/2014 5:49:43 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: ansel12
This is just another approach to fight conservatism, with an altered vocabulary

Libertarians also steal votes from Conservatives, allowing Liberals to win elections.

They are so useful /sarc GIVE ME A JOINT!

14 posted on 02/18/2014 5:53:20 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: Stepan12

God did not put up an electric fence around the TREE of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. He never stopped anyone who insisted they wanted to jump off a bridge.


15 posted on 02/18/2014 5:55:43 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think so. http://www.faithfacts.org/blog/libertarianism-christianity


16 posted on 02/18/2014 5:56:16 PM PST by grumpa
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To: tired&retired
Thus Libertarians are seeking the freedom of choice that is necessary to choose God.

That is an obscene statement, freedom to choose God is already there, libertarians are a political movement to elect politicians and make legislation to create Sodom and Gomorrah, to erase the Christian culture and it's influence over centuries of America, and to destroy America economically and through ending national borders.

Social liberalism makes it impossible for conservative economics to survive, impossible.

17 posted on 02/18/2014 5:56:23 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Stepan12

Read my tagline. I guess you haven’t lost enough freedoms yet.


18 posted on 02/18/2014 5:58:13 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: rovenstinez

God did not tell people to VOTE to create a ruined nation.

This is about VOTING, making political choices, choosing politicians, making party platforms.

We economic conservatives know that broken families, broken communities, broken people, don’t support conservative economics, they vote for instant gratification, and to take.

Don’t use God to sell Satan.


19 posted on 02/18/2014 6:00:38 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: SeekAndFind

A government has a “Justice System” which enshrines Objective Truth—in the US Constitution, we acknowledge God-Given Individual Rights. Justice is a Virtue only——the Queen of Virtue, and as such, there is ONE ethical system built into our idea of “Just Law” which HAS to promote Virtue ONLY (if there is a law at all).

Now, all “evil” law is Null and Void. IOW, laws which promote Vice/evil/dysfunction, etc. are unconstitutional. The Classical understanding of Law (which is ours) is based on Natural Moral law and the teleological ends of human beings-—what makes them “flourish and free and exceptional” and God’s Laws (the Designer of Nature) which makes the Decalogue relevant and in our courts.

Laws need to promote the Natural Duty of people in keeping Social contracts which encourage them to be “virtuous” and do their duty to society-—which includes the marriage of the two people who produce offspring. It is the Natural Duty of people to care for their own offspring until adulthood.

Libertarians have to have some type of organization with a “Rule of Law” which always means a “Higher” Law, than man-made up “rules” which are irrational or give special rights to some over others.

There can be no promotion of sodomy in “Just” laws-—or an undermining of the Natural Rights of children to be raised by their biological parents. It makes children into slaves to be bought or sold and women into breeders if the Marriage Contract is not between a male and female (and it is irrational if it is “two” men).

Right Reason is ALWAYS necessary for all “Just” Law. Libertarians should at least believe in Reason which requires a belief in Natural Law Theory (where Science originated).


20 posted on 02/18/2014 6:06:19 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ansel12

So you ARE saying that a good Christian today would take a chain saw and cut down the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil..and make people eat of the good trees... Why did God put it there then?


21 posted on 02/18/2014 6:06:45 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: SeekAndFind

What the article does is describe everyday, ordinary, conservatism and pretends that it is libertarianism, totally avoiding what is so vile and disgusting about the anti-God leftism of libertarianism.


22 posted on 02/18/2014 6:08:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

“That is an obscene statement, freedom to choose God is already there”

Not when you are addicted to some other person or government entity for your personal security. If you are not free, your ability to choose God is very limited. It takes a very strong soul who can choose God while the physical body is shackled. When the soul is shackled it is impossible to choose God.

This is why it is often easier for the prostitute or thief to enter the kingdom when they repent.


23 posted on 02/18/2014 6:13:22 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: rovenstinez

This is about politics and voting, is the only reason you vote against the left, only because you agree with our economics?

Is all of your life so religion and God oriented as you are posting on this thread? You really want us to vote against what is good, and right, and traditionally Christian American and replace it with the God hating left’s goals, and do it in the name of God?


24 posted on 02/18/2014 6:16:02 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: tired&retired

What in the world was that about?

That didn’t make sense, and it sure wasn’t enough to switch me to being a pro-abortion voter, try again.


25 posted on 02/18/2014 6:17:29 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Stepan12

Real life does not now and never has consisted of only two factions.
I don’t have to ally myself with child predators to protect my freedoms.

Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is merely my other enemy.


26 posted on 02/18/2014 6:33:38 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

What do child predators and Christianity and the end of the WOD have to do with each other.


27 posted on 02/18/2014 6:42:27 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: MrEdd
Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is merely my other enemy

Precisely!

28 posted on 02/18/2014 6:46:40 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: Stepan12
Libertarians also steal votes from Conservatives, allowing Liberals to win elections.

Those votes didn't belong to the other candidate. The other candidate didn't earn those votes. It shouldn't be hard to figure out that if you keep calling people child predators and othe bulls*** like that, they aren't going to vote your way. libertarians are by and large through being abused housewives.

29 posted on 02/18/2014 6:48:19 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

What, you are so addled you can’t read the topic or the article?
The topic is whether libertarianism is compatible with Christianity.

Libertarianism has become connected to removing age of consent restrictions as the post quoting past official party platforms points out.

Everything does not revolve around drugs.


30 posted on 02/18/2014 6:50:42 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Orangedog
It shouldn't be hard to figure out that if you keep calling people child predators and othe bulls*** like that, they aren't going to vote your way.

LOL, I guess we just shut down freerepublic since we don't want to expose and discuss those who oppose our conservative, pro-God agenda, because it hurts their feelings and will make them support the politicians who support their liberalism.

I think the post on how libertarians will vote to give elections to democrats was a reasonable thing to post, and it is accurate.

31 posted on 02/18/2014 7:29:34 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Christians actually ought to feel outraged that the redemptive power of charity has been taken from us and given to an unfeeling, coercive state," Leah Stiles Hughey declared at a Saturday panel at The International Students for Liberty Conference. She claimed that when government gets involved in giving to the poor it denies the God-given human dignity of both giver and receiver.

Amen. Amen, AMEN.

32 posted on 02/18/2014 7:36:01 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: SeekAndFind
FYI, A Catholic Showdown Worth Watching
33 posted on 02/18/2014 7:39:03 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis

They are not compatible at all

Libertarianism is the opposite


34 posted on 02/18/2014 7:39:47 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Stepan12

definitely incompatible


35 posted on 02/18/2014 7:41:12 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Christians won’t do those things BY CHOICE. To assume that you can run someone’s life better than they can and to do it under threat of force is worse than the sin of drug usage or homosexuality or bestiality.

THANK YOU.

I call myself a "limited government Christian conservative." The political philosophy that guides is "Reduce government, reduce the ailment."

36 posted on 02/18/2014 7:42:02 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: ansel12

The worst Christian bashers I have “met” online are all avowed libertarians


37 posted on 02/18/2014 7:42:57 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Orangedog
There is no “calling” here. The Libertarian Party official platforms from past election years was posted. It is what it is.

There isn't just some allegation here, children as sexual beings has historically been part of the platform.

People can choose to be part of that, or they can choose not to.

Don't harbor any irrational notions that other people will be okay with that part of the libertarian party, or that they won't know.

38 posted on 02/18/2014 7:45:10 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: ansel12

There are certain freedoms that only are arrived at by following God’s Laws. To violate those laws will only shackle a soul. And “Thou Shall Not Kill” is pretty self explanatory.

If someone wants to take their own life, that is pro choice, but as soon as they choose to take the life of a fetus, that is murder.


39 posted on 02/18/2014 7:52:09 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Man, what are you talking about, we are discussing liberal politics, libertarian politics and them trying to get voters to start voting like lefties and anti-God voters.

When I vote, I don’t suddenly turn anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-God when it comes to choosing candidates and platforms and political positions.


40 posted on 02/18/2014 8:01:32 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Finny
I call myself a "limited government Christian conservative." The political philosophy that guides is "Reduce government, reduce the ailment."

What we conservatives know, is that social liberalism leads to larger, more intrusive government, it imports, breeds and creates, liberal voters.

41 posted on 02/18/2014 8:07:54 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

Most Libertarians are for individual rights, but also for individual responsibility. Redefining them as something other than what they are in order to demonize them is a straw man logical fallacy argument that lacks merit.

It would be similar to defining Christians as people who believe in drinking Jesus’ blood and eating His flesh so they must all be cannibals... The logic is faulty....


42 posted on 02/18/2014 8:09:57 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

In the real world of politics which will become law first, the radical leftist social and immigration agenda of the libertarians, or the conservative parts about ending welfare and food stamps etc?

If you want me to renounce God and support the left/libertarian social agenda, then let’s wait until we get in the conservative, limited government first, then we can talk about it.

Instead we have 60 years of history proving that the more liberal socially we become, the more people are sucked into liberal voting, not right wing voting.


43 posted on 02/18/2014 8:15:04 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: tired&retired

The official past Libertarian Party Platforms supporting children being open for sexual relationships under the law has been linked to in this thread.

That’s not demonization, that’s the party’s historical record.

You can personally choose to be part of that party or not.
What you cannot do is silence criticism which that party has fully earned.


44 posted on 02/18/2014 8:17:12 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Christianity: Slavery to Jesus

Libertarianism: Slavery to Self (Sin)

Socialism: Slavery to State

Christianity: Love is the law of liberty

Libertarianism: Consent is the law of liberty

Socialism: The will of the State is the law.

45 posted on 02/19/2014 3:42:25 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: MrEdd

See, the big hurdle you big government lovers have is, like your liberal brothers and sisters, you can’t get outside of groupthink. Frankly I’m tired of having to explain what a small “L” libertarian is to people too dim to operate outside of the fake left/right paradigm. Get 100 libertarians in a room and maybe one or two of them care that there even is a Libertarian Party platform, let alone support it. Most libertarians know that party platforms are 100% bulls***. But if you want to use one or two loons who want to call themselves “Libertarians,” to smear the rest of us then that means I get to hang Fred Phelps around your neck and assign all of his positions to you.


46 posted on 02/19/2014 4:07:32 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: SeekAndFind
Jason Hughey agreed, citing specific scriptures to argue for a smaller role of government. Hughey pointed to 1 Samuel 8, where the people of Israel asked Samuel for a king. When Samuel went to God, "the Lord was not happy with this – the people of Israel were turning their back on him," Hughey explained. God granted Israel's wish, but warned that their king would conscript their sons, take away their daughters, and tax the people. Hughey ended the reading with the line "and you will be his slaves"....

....Leah Hughey also argued that scripture does not proclaim wealth as inherently sinful. She addressed a certain reading of Matthew 19:24 — "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God." "In scripture Jesus has several interactions with wealthy people, but some of them he didn't encourage to sell everything," Hughey argued. She explained that Jesus' warnings are focused on the "heart issue" of whether someone "puts possessions over Christ," and not a mere attack on the rich.

Scripture is only cited twice in the whole article. In both cases IMO it is cited correctly. And then you get overarching nonsense like this:

Hughey's husband Jason explained that "the Bible is not a book of political theory." Nevertheless, "there are themes we get from the Bible that give a good foundation for Christians to embrace libertarianism or even anarchy," Jason Hughey said.

47 posted on 02/19/2014 5:37:14 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Orangedog

I do not love the government.

But children are not available as sexual partners for adults so the libertarian party is out, and always will be.

There are not only two options.

I do not have to condone the normalization of sex with minors to be opposed to socialism.


48 posted on 02/19/2014 6:59:10 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

But conservatives are good with Fred Phelps picketing soldiers funerals, right? He’s conservative so that means all of you are good with that.


49 posted on 02/19/2014 8:10:53 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

Nope.

Cult leader (they use their own holy book, not the bible) and former Democrat activist Fred Phelps is not okay, nor in any way conservative. He pretty much defines the lunatic fringe.

Ronald Reagan was conservative. And pro family. And the Meese Commission on Porto graphics which Reagan launched in 1985 was aimed primarily at child pornography. Sex with kids is not okay.

You sure you want to keep insisting that a party which has run a platform calling for sex with kids to be legal is compatible with Christianity? You aren’t doing well at debate and you seem to bring up public figures without having a clue as to what their histories are.


50 posted on 02/19/2014 8:26:47 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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