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Have Christians Lost the Culture War?
Fox News ^ | 2/20/14 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 02/20/2014 7:33:13 PM PST by marshmallow

The culture war may be lost and religious liberty might not be that far behind, according to a new survey from LifeWay Research, the research arm of the Southern Baptist Convention.

Seventy percent of senior pastors at Protestant churches say religious liberty is on the decline in the United States, and 59 percent of Christians believe they are losing the culture war. Eleven percent considers that war already lost.

The survey results are staggering – indicating grave concerns about the moral direction of the nation from both the pulpit and the pew.

Ten years ago we were talking about who would win the culture war, and now we’re talking about how will Christian rights be protected after the culture war,” Ed Stetzer, the president of LifeWay Research, told me. “We’ve lost our home field advantage. There are going to be some things that are different.”

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: christianleft; fauxnews; religiousleft; sbc

1 posted on 02/20/2014 7:33:13 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Its hard to tell until the actual shooting starts.


2 posted on 02/20/2014 7:34:12 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: marshmallow

Sadly, yes.


3 posted on 02/20/2014 7:35:38 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: marshmallow

yes we have....but let them have their cake....let them live with what they created....lets separate from them and live our lives well, peaceful, fulfilled and prosperous....


4 posted on 02/20/2014 7:37:24 PM PST by cherry
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To: marshmallow

Christians are Christians and haven’t changed (much) in 2000 years.

libs go at each others throats and everyone else daily

libs might think they are gaining but in their flash in the pan attitudes they are losing

BIG TIME


5 posted on 02/20/2014 7:37:43 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: marshmallow
Civilization has lost the culture war.
6 posted on 02/20/2014 7:38:51 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: marshmallow

Never fear, it was always supposed to be lost, right from the beginning.

No matter how good we have it, some people can only be comfortable with a king leading them.


7 posted on 02/20/2014 7:39:14 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SADMILLIE

ouches

lol


9 posted on 02/20/2014 7:42:47 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: marshmallow

well, it seems that significant numbers of young people do not go to church, and feel religion is irrelevant in their lives.

we are close to seeing courts impose homosexual marriage on all fifty states.

Even if Roe vs Wade is chipped away at further, a critical mass of liberal states will still maintain abortion on demand as their official policy.

We have institutionalized illegitimate parenting.

We have institutionalized the idea that sex outside marriage is okay, any number of partners, any gender of partners. There is no moral component to that area of life anymore. While liberals are happy that sex ededucation is taught in school, it is taught in an amoral way.

Just some observations about how the culture war is going.


10 posted on 02/20/2014 7:42:47 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego (TH)
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To: Jonty30
No matter how good we have it, some people can only be comfortable with a king leading them.

Funny, but I don't think you'll find a real Christian who doesn't have a King.

11 posted on 02/20/2014 7:46:54 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marshmallow

It’s “LOST” if you care about what every other idiot says.

The “Culture War” for your soul is in you. Only you.


12 posted on 02/20/2014 7:47:24 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: OneWingedShark

And I imagine many of them think one King is plenty - the idea of more than one King is completely obscene.


13 posted on 02/20/2014 7:47:51 PM PST by freedom462
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To: OneWingedShark; Dilbert San Diego

And also, as I said last time, this war was a war that the enemies of Christians won by forfeit; the Christian side simply never showed up to the battlefield.


14 posted on 02/20/2014 7:49:04 PM PST by freedom462
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To: Forgotten Amendments

All it takes to change the future course of history is to declare that we are a Christian nation first and foremost. But this can’t happen. For now.


15 posted on 02/20/2014 7:50:08 PM PST by x_plus_one (The harvest is great but the workers are few. Salman Rushdie is still in hiding.)
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To: marshmallow

In Roman times Christians were persecuted and yet Christianity prospered. Christians were admired because of the way they lived their lives and Christianity because of the way it told us to live our lives. Today Christians have lost their way and Christianity is suffering as a result.


16 posted on 02/20/2014 7:54:04 PM PST by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: marshmallow

Depends on what one’s definition of “losing” is.

No longer the dominant culture?
No longer the accepted standard for law and taboo?
One of several competing spiritual paradigms?
Outlawed?
Persecuted?

Has being the dominant and primary religion been an advantage or a hindrance to true Christian spirituality? Maybe Constantine did more damage than Diocletian was ever able to do.

How much can being a Christian mean when it is almost required, or at least the norm, for marriage, employment, culture?

I don’t know. Obviously don’t care to live under sharia or a Satanic state either, but sometimes it seems people conflate the fact that many people feel we do not, nor should, live in an explicitly Christian nation with “persecution”.


17 posted on 02/20/2014 7:55:51 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: marshmallow

I hate headlines like this. Christians “lost” the culture war in the Garden of Eden. Christians also won all “wars” at Calvary. The culture will get more horrible, then it will get less horrible, and it will hit all points in between. This is not to say that fighting evil is pointless, just that this world is fallen, and we cannot save it as a whole.


18 posted on 02/20/2014 7:58:24 PM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: marshmallow

We lost the culture war in Rome too. Look what happened to them.


19 posted on 02/20/2014 7:59:16 PM PST by Viennacon (M)
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To: RedStateRocker

Stick a fork in America.


20 posted on 02/20/2014 8:00:07 PM PST by bicyclerepair (TERM LIMITS .......... TERM LIMITS .......... TERM LIMITS)
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To: OneWingedShark

I think you know that there’s a difference between Christ our Lord and a wise and learned man as our king.

The left prefers the wise and learned man. It’s why they support powerful bureaucracies and governments.


21 posted on 02/20/2014 8:00:36 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: marshmallow

The congregation of every church in America should have flooded Washington, D. C. after the Roe vs Wade decision and not left until the ruling was changed - even if it meant lost jobs, lost houses and starvation. That was the day Christians lost a voice in the America culture for good. I remember Dr. James Kennedy of Coral Gables, FL in one of his messages stated that he did not know if we had met the line of God’s patience in America after that decision or had crossed it. I think we know now.


22 posted on 02/20/2014 8:01:17 PM PST by Lake Living
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To: marshmallow

We’re holed up on Corregidor right now...


23 posted on 02/20/2014 8:02:10 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Ben Mugged

What a lot of people get wrong is that Christians were not, for many years, persecuted for believing or professing Christ.

It was failure to make sacrifices for the State and the Emperor that were regarded as treason. The Romans wouldn’t have cared two figs for someone proclaiming Christ The King; but you’d better pay your taxes, and failure to make sacrifices for the health of the state was regarded by all patriotic Romans as risking the wrath of the gods, the equivalent of urinating on our flag.

Justinian (ineffectually) and Diocletian (with his customary great efficiency, pragmatism and cold blooded patriotism, however seemed to genuinely
dislike Christianity. And Nero, but that was more needing a scapegoat than any particular focus on what Christians believed.

It was the refusal of Christians to make sacrifice that got the State angry. Jews were the ONLY people exempt from having to make sacrifice (they could make sacrifices to their God FOR the health of the empire and emperor), but the Jews were originally treaty allies of the Romans and, even admits the strife, one thing the Romans respected was antiquity and the Jewish religion was old. Thus the really huge implications of the ‘were Christians Jews’ question. As soon as Christians said they were NOT a subject of Judaism AND refused to honor the emperor as a God, they became not merely traitors but a literal lightning rod for the Gods to zot the entire state.


24 posted on 02/20/2014 8:06:16 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: All
The culture war may be lost and religious liberty might not be that far behind, according to a new survey from LifeWay Research, the research arm of the Southern Baptist Convention. Seventy percent of senior pastors at Protestant churches say religious liberty is on the decline in the United States, and 59 percent of Christians believe they are losing the culture war. Eleven percent considers that war already lost.

I was saying that six years ago.

25 posted on 02/20/2014 8:19:30 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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‘Have Christians Lost the Culture War?’

No, we haven’t. Quit the worrying.


26 posted on 02/20/2014 8:22:09 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: marshmallow
In a nutshell, the answer is yes.

Does the revolution continue? also yes

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

27 posted on 02/20/2014 8:22:28 PM PST by expatguy (Donate to "An American Expat in SE Asia")
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To: Alex Murphy
Close. Very Close.

"In October of 2009, President Barack Obama signed into law hate-crime legislation that would criminalize one's very thoughts, thus delivering the coup de grâce for freedom in America. At that moment and with the stroke of a pen, the ardent deep-held religious beliefs and convictions of millions of Americans would no longer be sacrosanct and the free expression thereof criminal..."

continued...

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

28 posted on 02/20/2014 8:24:40 PM PST by expatguy (Donate to "An American Expat in SE Asia")
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To: marshmallow

WE may have lost the Culture War, but Christ will always be shining His light, whether in Africa, or China....


29 posted on 02/20/2014 8:35:06 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: marshmallow

“A religious leader once said, ‘My successor will see the tax-exempt status removed from churches and his successor will go to jail,’” Jeffress said. “That is probably on the horizon.”

Who said that? I tried searching it but nothing comes up. Is he talking about the quote from Cardinal George or what?

“I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square. His successor will pick up the shards of a ruined society and slowly help rebuild civilization, as the church has done so often in human history.”

Or does the quote come from somewhere else?

Freegards


30 posted on 02/20/2014 8:45:41 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: MuttTheHoople

In one sense, yes. Christianity no longer can use the coercive power of the state, or the bestowal of coercive power upon the head of a household, to inculcate and enforce its moral norms. Much of what we think about Christian family or Christian community relied upon that coercion, and it’s gone.

In another sense, no. Christ preached to give to Rome what it Roman; the Gospel is ultimately about the choices one makes about one’s own conduct. The impiety of your wife or your children, the impoverished nastiness of Hollywood moral code, the the gay married couple living across the street, the naked public square ... very little of this keeps you from honoring the Beatitudes, for example.


31 posted on 02/20/2014 8:51:10 PM PST by only1percent
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To: Forgotten Amendments; marshmallow
We have allowed a government designed to secure our unalienable rights to morph into a Leftist police state.

The only institutions and rights that survive are those with organizations strong enough to defend them. Take a stroll through the Bill of Rights and it is obvious the government/rats have repealed nearly every one.

Our precarious 2A rights would have been gone long ago were it not for the NRA and similar groups that exert political pressure to preserve it.

Christianity is in decline because the rats will not accept an institution higher than government, and Christian churches have not effectively organized to fight pagan government.

33 posted on 02/21/2014 4:30:39 AM PST by Jacquerie ( Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: marshmallow

Judgement begins at the house of the Lord. As it is written.And if the war has been lost it is the Fault of the Christians.But win ,lose ,or draw we are to proclaim the Word of God with boldness—and to stand fast,and to preach the word in season and out. Till He comes!


34 posted on 02/21/2014 5:50:28 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: marshmallow

They never showed up to the fight. It was a forfeit.


35 posted on 02/21/2014 5:53:53 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: marshmallow

Christians (true Christians) are not of this world anyway.


36 posted on 02/21/2014 4:17:46 PM PST by Old Yeller (P)
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To: Ransomed

Good quote.


37 posted on 02/23/2014 4:30:43 PM PST by ReformationFan
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