Skip to comments.Have Christians Lost the Culture War?
Posted on 02/20/2014 7:33:13 PM PST by marshmallow
The culture war may be lost and religious liberty might not be that far behind, according to a new survey from LifeWay Research, the research arm of the Southern Baptist Convention.
Seventy percent of senior pastors at Protestant churches say religious liberty is on the decline in the United States, and 59 percent of Christians believe they are losing the culture war. Eleven percent considers that war already lost.
The survey results are staggering indicating grave concerns about the moral direction of the nation from both the pulpit and the pew.
Ten years ago we were talking about who would win the culture war, and now were talking about how will Christian rights be protected after the culture war, Ed Stetzer, the president of LifeWay Research, told me. Weve lost our home field advantage. There are going to be some things that are different.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Its hard to tell until the actual shooting starts.
yes we have....but let them have their cake....let them live with what they created....lets separate from them and live our lives well, peaceful, fulfilled and prosperous....
Christians are Christians and haven’t changed (much) in 2000 years.
libs go at each others throats and everyone else daily
libs might think they are gaining but in their flash in the pan attitudes they are losing
Never fear, it was always supposed to be lost, right from the beginning.
No matter how good we have it, some people can only be comfortable with a king leading them.
well, it seems that significant numbers of young people do not go to church, and feel religion is irrelevant in their lives.
we are close to seeing courts impose homosexual marriage on all fifty states.
Even if Roe vs Wade is chipped away at further, a critical mass of liberal states will still maintain abortion on demand as their official policy.
We have institutionalized illegitimate parenting.
We have institutionalized the idea that sex outside marriage is okay, any number of partners, any gender of partners. There is no moral component to that area of life anymore. While liberals are happy that sex ededucation is taught in school, it is taught in an amoral way.
Just some observations about how the culture war is going.
Funny, but I don't think you'll find a real Christian who doesn't have a King.
It’s “LOST” if you care about what every other idiot says.
The “Culture War” for your soul is in you. Only you.
And I imagine many of them think one King is plenty - the idea of more than one King is completely obscene.
And also, as I said last time, this war was a war that the enemies of Christians won by forfeit; the Christian side simply never showed up to the battlefield.
All it takes to change the future course of history is to declare that we are a Christian nation first and foremost. But this can’t happen. For now.
In Roman times Christians were persecuted and yet Christianity prospered. Christians were admired because of the way they lived their lives and Christianity because of the way it told us to live our lives. Today Christians have lost their way and Christianity is suffering as a result.
Depends on what one’s definition of “losing” is.
No longer the dominant culture?
No longer the accepted standard for law and taboo?
One of several competing spiritual paradigms?
Has being the dominant and primary religion been an advantage or a hindrance to true Christian spirituality? Maybe Constantine did more damage than Diocletian was ever able to do.
How much can being a Christian mean when it is almost required, or at least the norm, for marriage, employment, culture?
I don’t know. Obviously don’t care to live under sharia or a Satanic state either, but sometimes it seems people conflate the fact that many people feel we do not, nor should, live in an explicitly Christian nation with “persecution”.
I hate headlines like this. Christians “lost” the culture war in the Garden of Eden. Christians also won all “wars” at Calvary. The culture will get more horrible, then it will get less horrible, and it will hit all points in between. This is not to say that fighting evil is pointless, just that this world is fallen, and we cannot save it as a whole.
We lost the culture war in Rome too. Look what happened to them.
Stick a fork in America.
I think you know that there’s a difference between Christ our Lord and a wise and learned man as our king.
The left prefers the wise and learned man. It’s why they support powerful bureaucracies and governments.
The congregation of every church in America should have flooded Washington, D. C. after the Roe vs Wade decision and not left until the ruling was changed - even if it meant lost jobs, lost houses and starvation. That was the day Christians lost a voice in the America culture for good. I remember Dr. James Kennedy of Coral Gables, FL in one of his messages stated that he did not know if we had met the line of God’s patience in America after that decision or had crossed it. I think we know now.
We’re holed up on Corregidor right now...
What a lot of people get wrong is that Christians were not, for many years, persecuted for believing or professing Christ.
It was failure to make sacrifices for the State and the Emperor that were regarded as treason. The Romans wouldn’t have cared two figs for someone proclaiming Christ The King; but you’d better pay your taxes, and failure to make sacrifices for the health of the state was regarded by all patriotic Romans as risking the wrath of the gods, the equivalent of urinating on our flag.
Justinian (ineffectually) and Diocletian (with his customary great efficiency, pragmatism and cold blooded patriotism, however seemed to genuinely
dislike Christianity. And Nero, but that was more needing a scapegoat than any particular focus on what Christians believed.
It was the refusal of Christians to make sacrifice that got the State angry. Jews were the ONLY people exempt from having to make sacrifice (they could make sacrifices to their God FOR the health of the empire and emperor), but the Jews were originally treaty allies of the Romans and, even admits the strife, one thing the Romans respected was antiquity and the Jewish religion was old. Thus the really huge implications of the ‘were Christians Jews’ question. As soon as Christians said they were NOT a subject of Judaism AND refused to honor the emperor as a God, they became not merely traitors but a literal lightning rod for the Gods to zot the entire state.
I was saying that six years ago.
‘Have Christians Lost the Culture War?’
No, we haven’t. Quit the worrying.
Does the revolution continue? also yes
"In October of 2009, President Barack Obama signed into law hate-crime legislation that would criminalize one's very thoughts, thus delivering the coup de grâce for freedom in America. At that moment and with the stroke of a pen, the ardent deep-held religious beliefs and convictions of millions of Americans would no longer be sacrosanct and the free expression thereof criminal..."
WE may have lost the Culture War, but Christ will always be shining His light, whether in Africa, or China....
A religious leader once said, My successor will see the tax-exempt status removed from churches and his successor will go to jail, Jeffress said. That is probably on the horizon.
Who said that? I tried searching it but nothing comes up. Is he talking about the quote from Cardinal George or what?
“I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square. His successor will pick up the shards of a ruined society and slowly help rebuild civilization, as the church has done so often in human history.”
Or does the quote come from somewhere else?
In one sense, yes. Christianity no longer can use the coercive power of the state, or the bestowal of coercive power upon the head of a household, to inculcate and enforce its moral norms. Much of what we think about Christian family or Christian community relied upon that coercion, and it’s gone.
In another sense, no. Christ preached to give to Rome what it Roman; the Gospel is ultimately about the choices one makes about one’s own conduct. The impiety of your wife or your children, the impoverished nastiness of Hollywood moral code, the the gay married couple living across the street, the naked public square ... very little of this keeps you from honoring the Beatitudes, for example.
The only institutions and rights that survive are those with organizations strong enough to defend them. Take a stroll through the Bill of Rights and it is obvious the government/rats have repealed nearly every one.
Our precarious 2A rights would have been gone long ago were it not for the NRA and similar groups that exert political pressure to preserve it.
Christianity is in decline because the rats will not accept an institution higher than government, and Christian churches have not effectively organized to fight pagan government.
Judgement begins at the house of the Lord. As it is written.And if the war has been lost it is the Fault of the Christians.But win ,lose ,or draw we are to proclaim the Word of God with boldness—and to stand fast,and to preach the word in season and out. Till He comes!
They never showed up to the fight. It was a forfeit.
Christians (true Christians) are not of this world anyway.