Skip to comments.Baptists Seriously Discussing Robert Jeffress' Claim that Obama's Paving the Way for the Antichrist
Posted on 02/22/2014 10:44:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
When First Baptist's Robert Jeffress proclaimed a couple of weeks back that President Obama is "paving the way for the antichrist," we dismissed it as a publicity stunt designed to sell copies of his new book on the end times.
Not everyone was so quick to call Jeffress' claim empty bombast. Take this Christian Post piece from over the weekend in which a reporter, apparently keeping a straight face, asks two Baptist biblical scholars -- or rather as the headline suggests "experts" on the Obama-antichrist link -- to weigh in on the controversy.
Darrell Bock, a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, offers a slight rebuke to Jeffress, saying that while "believers are to keep watch and be alert" for the second coming of Christ and all that will entail, the timing is unknowable.
He points out that the U.S. is mentioned nowhere in the Bible and that previous attempts to prophesy the end times have, well, failed.
The second expert, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary president Paige Patterson, is less cautious. Though he tells the Christian Post that "Identifying specific politicians with the antichrist of the last days is clearly absurd," Jeffress is generally on point.
"The rapid expansion of the powers of government and the growing dependency on the welfare state set the stage for the antichrist, since that is precisely what he is forecast to do," he says. "Dr. Jeffress is not personally attacking President Obama. He is simply attempting to explain to his people what is to happen next."
Indeed, his reference to a specific political figure aside, Jeffress' is bread-and-butter Baptism. Here's what the Southern Baptist Convention has in its statement of faith under the heading "Last Things":
God, in His own time and in His own way, will bring the world to its appropriate end. According to His promise, Jesus Christ will return personally and visibly in glory to the earth; the dead will be raised; and Christ will judge all men in righteousness. The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell, the place of everlasting punishment. The righteous in their resurrected and glorified bodies will receive their reward and will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord.
There are competing interpretations of how that will come to pass, but no one can say for certain that Obama isn't paving the way for the antichrist.
We might not know the “day or the hour”, but I think the season is getting pretty close.
People still saying “antichrist” in place of “beast”, I see. The Beast is an historical empire, and it’s on the scene now; one can judge it by its actions. (Part of it does look like a lamb and speak like a dragon, i.e. deceptively.)
There are multiple signs of it getting closer. The problem is, it’ll hit like a thief in the night.
I think there was a consensus that the season started in earnest once nukes came on the scene, because before that it wasn’t possible to create an environment where no flesh would be saved.
You are right. And I believe that we are in the process of being prepared to defend Our lord. And, most of us don't even know it.
Obama is still young - we might see him as head of the UN in the future!?
I have and still ponder what is being said in the warning Christ gave regarding 'time' Matthew 24:22 And except those days (of Daniel) should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Who saves we in the flesh? This does not read like a nuke is being prevented or allowed. It reads like an attempt to replace Christ is allowed, because it is in Christ any and all are 'saved' in the flesh. And deception is the first warning Christ gives when the disciples ask what are the signs of His return.
And Christ specifically says that 'war' and rumors of wars, is not the end, in Matthew 24:6.
Our dear leader this nation hired to rule over US, has much company in how to 'fix' US. How many peoples vote for liberals? Why the majority of voters. And the mindset can be broken down into three to four different thoughts. Some are flat out deceived that the democrat party is the party of God. Others believe in the idea of wealth redistribution or 'social justice' and the rest know darn well what they are doing is against God and they could care less. Then there are those that could care less about bothering to vote.
What conditions does a thief look for to steal. See it always sounded strange to me to think of Christ as a thief in the night. So what is being said? What mindset must there be for any to consider Christ a 'thief'. Why wouldn't it mean there is already on scene another claiming to be Christ?
The US is only 315 million. China has 1.35 Billion. There are approximately 1 billion muslims.
However you want to look at it, 2.4 billion is a huge amount. Far beyond what a conventional war could kill.
Christ Himself isn’t the thief in the night. The metaphor refers to the suddenness that the time of trouble will fall with, and an admonition to keep watching. Matthew 24:43 notes that if the owner of the house knew when the thief was showing up, he would have stayed up waiting for him and not allow his house to get broken into.
So we had better make sure we have enough lamp oil.
Yet Christ said that 'war and rumors of war' were not the sign of the end. Matthew 24:6 ....And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, BUT the end is not yet.
And Paul tells Christians that we are to prepare for a spiritual war, not of flesh and blood. Ephesians 6 whole chapter. If one is not in Christ are they not 'spiritually dead'?
Of course Christ is not a/the thief. However, for this analogy to be view for what it is, then the peoples here in majority will view Him, His return as a thief. Meaning they in majority already believe that He has returned and are no longer waiting/watching for His return. Plain and simple, the whole world will be deceived except for the elect.
~~~Before Armageddon, during the judgments, 1/3 of mankind will be destroyed in war. Currently, there are 7.2 Billion people. That means about 2.4 billion will die in the war.~~~
Generally correct. 1/3 die from all kinds of stuff. And yes, at least 2.4 billion.
The fire that destroys the chaff is the Holy Spirit. For the same reason that a prayerful blessing to an evil person is like placing hot coals upon their head. The Holy Spirit is such a high frequency of consciousness that it has the same effect upon low frequency dense objects such as fear, guilt and anger as a dense object such as a spoon or fork placed into a microwave will become hot, throw sparks and ignite anything combustible around it.
The weeds will be burned by the same Holy Spirit that Jesus used to cast out demons and to remove the guilt fear and anger from people’s souls in order to heal their flesh. The Holy Spirit is perfect Love and perfect Love casts out fear. It is this process that heals the soul and the flesh and by the same process, anyone who holds onto the “old” wineskin and tries to fill it with the new Spirit will perish.
Could the 1/3 of mankind being killed, be abortion? Are we, having been led astray in a spiritual war, not killing 1/3 of mankind now?
I never considered that but it’s certainly possible.
First from what I read of the article this man was not claiming a date or time nor was he calling Obama anti-Christ. He just said he was paving the way for him.
Second, we are to be discerning and watchful knowing the times and no matter how you see it, Israel is reborn, something for almost 2,000 years seemed impossible and a generation is passing away since the date of its conception. Whether you count from 1948 and its reforming or 1967 of it regaining Jerusalem.
Yes, the systems are or have been set up to control the populations of the world the Bible spoke of.
wouldn’t be surprised if the anti-christ will be gay.
hal lindsey’s book, the late great planet earth, may have been written 5o years too early.
Those who helped Obama in any way should pay the consequences.
Indeed, everything Obama is doing is paving the way for a system whereby you must have the government stamp of approval to participate. And the populace are gradually being whipped into submission.
Along with the political powers that are being erected to implement the new world order is the evolving religious system that will support it. A system where devout Christians need not apply, and in fact must get their minds right if they wish to continue to buy and sell. A religious system where if you can't openly celebrate homosexuality, then you will be required to wear an armband.
BFL- great thread- insightful comments/questions
Thinking we can turn things around and stop it is also an exercise in futility which diverts us from carrying the Word.
Rev 13:17 talks about being unable to buy or sell without the mark of the beast. I have often imagined that the “mark” is actually where a microchip has been implanted in the forehead which connects to your bank balance. The check-out technology scans the UPC code on the product then scans the chip on the forehead to withdraw the funds. It will be sold to us as safe, secure and unable to be hijacked by identity thieves.
The technology for this already exists. All that’s needed to implement this is someone powerful enough and evil enough to compel it on all the citizenry. Obama, in his quest for government-run health care (already in place in much of Europe and many other parts of the world) , is establishing a government-run system in which citizens are compelled to do business with the government which controls the banking system.
The foundation is being laid and, intentionally or not, Obama is part of this movement to make government all-powerful enough to control whether we can buy or sell in the marketplace. There will probably be more Obamas in the future, interspersed with a few kindly populists who will diffuse the big picture, but the march toward worldwide government tyranny is on the way and nobody can stop it - nobody from this realm, that is.
Recently BAHBAWA WAWA made the statement "We thought he was the next messiah". They WANTED him to be. They were hoping and praying (to their false god) that he was. Zero will destroy the US and drag the rest of the world with. The whole world is a house of cards ready to collapse. When it goes it will be big. With all the "hope" in a messiah that Jug Ears brought, his failure will just pave the way for the AC to come on the seen. SURELY, if The Won can't save us, then when AC arrives on the seen, he will REALLY make the masses swoon.
And the problems in the world?...All caused by those "deniers", the Christians and Jews.
If you're on any public forums, you can begin to see how Christians are beginning to be hated.
Anti-Semitism is RAPIDLY rising also.
This whole ME peace thing is a joke, except Israel is being made into the "punch" line. We are being told and conditioned that if the talks fail, Israel is at fault. Nobody knows whats going on behind the doors, all we hear is Lurch's comments, planting the seeds that Israel is being unreasonable.
No man knows the day or the hour, just like Christ's first coming. But the wise men knew the times and were watching expectantly. Today, many are watching expectantly.
The only exercise we can do, that’s NOT futility, is telling others about Christ. The Bible tells us that the Word must go unto all the world and when the full number comes in, THEN Christ comes. None of us knows that number. Only God the Father. But we are to be praying and looking for Gods kingdom. Actively participating in bringing it here.
That's probably the REAL job of Bluffdale. Not to just track peoples phone calls, but to track their every movement. Their comings and goings, every financial transaction, every association.
base beings are belong to us
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Obama isn’t the Anti-Christ: He doesn’t have the work-ethic required.
Could Tim Tebow have gotten wind of this stuff as to why he cancelled an appearance at Jeffers’ First Baptist Dallas about a year or so ago?
I know a professing Christian who thinks something like this would be just swell.
Amen to that.
Hal Lindsey made the mistake that many have and still do that a generation is 40 years. Its actually 70 years per scripture.
There is a Calvary Chapel pastor (JD Farag) in Kaneohe HI who does a Prophecy update every sunday as part of his sunday sermon. They put the updates up on Youtube every week, along with his other sermons. If you type in “JD Farag: Prophecy Update”, you’ll see his stuff. I discovered him las year and have been following along ever since. Some may find him a little hyped, but I think solid.
Or 100yrs... there is the question of generation overlap too. I think it has more to do with “knowing the times” than the exact time anyway. What should be taken away is that we are close, very close... Look UP!
There are two books, each written over 100 years ago that lend incredible credence to this type of thinking. Im not suggesting for a second that I subscribe to the truth of any this, but believe me, when you read either one of these books youll sit straight up in your chair.
The smaller book (a novella) is entitled Tale of the Antichrist by Vladimir Solovyev; while the other book is called Lord of the World, by Robert Hugh Benson.
Both books talk about the same topic, the end of the world. And the focus of both books is the appearance and activities of the antichrist. The Solovyev book is timeless in its setting, but the Benson book is futuristic. Although it was written over 100 years ago it appears to be set in these current times. The writer seemed to have anticipated much of what we see going on today.
But what is incredibly remarkable, no frightening, actually frightening, is the fact that in both books one could not have described a character more like Barack Obama than each of these men have done. It is truly unreal.
Although Amazon sells them both, Im almost certain they are free downloads online.
For your information, Solovyev was apparently a Russian Orthodox Christian, while Robert Hugh Benson (although the son of the Archbishop of Canterbury) converted to Catholicism and became a Roman Catholic priest.
That was the first thing Jesus warned about: the false Christs and false apostles.
\ Actually no only 80 if given health.
>>there is the question of generation overlap too.<<
That could be a consideration but one needs to take into account the generation that was alive when Israel was reformed as a nation. The pretty much eliminates any generation born after 1948 or so.
>>What should be taken away is that we are close, very close... Look UP!<<
Amen and Amen! And with the speed at which things are changing to appear to be fulfilling those prophecies it could be very, very close.
He very well could be the AntiChrist, has any other leader ever been an evangelist for sodomy and sodomites like Obama? He most clearly is a man of sin as no other in history. Neither Hitler nor Stalin, changed times and laws as Obama has done. To Obama good is evil, and evil is good. Homosexuality is a sin that cries to Heaven for judgment, he chastises and rebukes any nation which does not follow his defiled and perverted beliefs. Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. The Synagogue of Satan media, love shoving Sodomy in the face of God fearing Christians. Pray for the destruction of God’s enemies, O God, seek out Your enemies wickedness until You find none, it is time for You to work O Jehovah! for they have made void Your Law, This I pray in Jesus’ holy name. Amen
King James Version (KJV)
18 By these three was the third part of men killed,
by the fire, and
by the smoke, and
by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
~~~When Obama was first elected, we saw what it will look like when the antichrist does arrive. The spectacle of the whole world celebrating the arrival of a savior.~~~
The beast (Satan) that ascends up from the pit possesses the Antichrist. That is why he is killed ‘the son of perdition’. This term was only used of Judas, and Satan eventually entered into him at The Last Supper.
I’m convinced this does not take place until the Antichrist is killed and then resurrected, astonishing the whole world.
They will. They are blind to what’s happening.
They will not laugh last regarding this enabling.
Or the right hand. And most of the population is right-handed.
~~~He most clearly is a man of sin~~~
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