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Baptists Seriously Discussing Robert Jeffress' Claim that Obama's Paving the Way for the Antichrist
The Dallas Observer's Unfair Park Blog ^ | January 27, 2014 | Eric Nicholson

Posted on 02/22/2014 10:44:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

When First Baptist's Robert Jeffress proclaimed a couple of weeks back that President Obama is "paving the way for the antichrist," we dismissed it as a publicity stunt designed to sell copies of his new book on the end times.

Not everyone was so quick to call Jeffress' claim empty bombast. Take this Christian Post piece from over the weekend in which a reporter, apparently keeping a straight face, asks two Baptist biblical scholars -- or rather as the headline suggests "experts" on the Obama-antichrist link -- to weigh in on the controversy.

Darrell Bock, a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, offers a slight rebuke to Jeffress, saying that while "believers are to keep watch and be alert" for the second coming of Christ and all that will entail, the timing is unknowable.

He points out that the U.S. is mentioned nowhere in the Bible and that previous attempts to prophesy the end times have, well, failed.

The second expert, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary president Paige Patterson, is less cautious. Though he tells the Christian Post that "Identifying specific politicians with the antichrist of the last days is clearly absurd," Jeffress is generally on point.

"The rapid expansion of the powers of government and the growing dependency on the welfare state set the stage for the antichrist, since that is precisely what he is forecast to do," he says. "Dr. Jeffress is not personally attacking President Obama. He is simply attempting to explain to his people what is to happen next."

Indeed, his reference to a specific political figure aside, Jeffress' is bread-and-butter Baptism. Here's what the Southern Baptist Convention has in its statement of faith under the heading "Last Things":

God, in His own time and in His own way, will bring the world to its appropriate end. According to His promise, Jesus Christ will return personally and visibly in glory to the earth; the dead will be raised; and Christ will judge all men in righteousness. The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell, the place of everlasting punishment. The righteous in their resurrected and glorified bodies will receive their reward and will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord.

There are competing interpretations of how that will come to pass, but no one can say for certain that Obama isn't paving the way for the antichrist.


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"However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows."
~Matthew 24:36
1 posted on 02/22/2014 10:44:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We might not know the “day or the hour”, but I think the season is getting pretty close.


2 posted on 02/22/2014 10:47:56 PM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People still saying “antichrist” in place of “beast”, I see. The Beast is an historical empire, and it’s on the scene now; one can judge it by its actions. (Part of it does look like a lamb and speak like a dragon, i.e. deceptively.)


3 posted on 02/22/2014 10:52:39 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: mountn man

There are multiple signs of it getting closer. The problem is, it’ll hit like a thief in the night.

I think there was a consensus that the season started in earnest once nukes came on the scene, because before that it wasn’t possible to create an environment where no flesh would be saved.


4 posted on 02/22/2014 10:54:21 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
it’ll hit like a thief in the night

You are right. And I believe that we are in the process of being prepared to defend Our lord. And, most of us don't even know it.

5 posted on 02/22/2014 11:07:38 PM PST by Slyfox (When Jesus sees a momma holding her baby, he is reminded of his mother.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama is still young - we might see him as head of the UN in the future!?


6 posted on 02/22/2014 11:44:57 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: Olog-hai
I think there was a consensus that the season started in earnest once nukes came on the scene, because before that it wasn’t possible to create an environment where no flesh would be saved.

I have and still ponder what is being said in the warning Christ gave regarding 'time' Matthew 24:22 And except those days (of Daniel) should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Who saves we in the flesh? This does not read like a nuke is being prevented or allowed. It reads like an attempt to replace Christ is allowed, because it is in Christ any and all are 'saved' in the flesh. And deception is the first warning Christ gives when the disciples ask what are the signs of His return.

And Christ specifically says that 'war' and rumors of wars, is not the end, in Matthew 24:6.

Our dear leader this nation hired to rule over US, has much company in how to 'fix' US. How many peoples vote for liberals? Why the majority of voters. And the mindset can be broken down into three to four different thoughts. Some are flat out deceived that the democrat party is the party of God. Others believe in the idea of wealth redistribution or 'social justice' and the rest know darn well what they are doing is against God and they could care less. Then there are those that could care less about bothering to vote.

What conditions does a thief look for to steal. See it always sounded strange to me to think of Christ as a thief in the night. So what is being said? What mindset must there be for any to consider Christ a 'thief'. Why wouldn't it mean there is already on scene another claiming to be Christ?

7 posted on 02/22/2014 11:50:01 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Before Armageddon, during the judgments, 1/3 of mankind will be destroyed in war. Currently, there are 7.2 Billion people. That means about 2.4 billion will die in the war.

The US is only 315 million. China has 1.35 Billion. There are approximately 1 billion muslims.

However you want to look at it, 2.4 billion is a huge amount. Far beyond what a conventional war could kill.

8 posted on 02/22/2014 11:57:43 PM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Just mythoughts

Christ Himself isn’t the thief in the night. The metaphor refers to the suddenness that the time of trouble will fall with, and an admonition to keep watching. Matthew 24:43 notes that if the owner of the house knew when the thief was showing up, he would have stayed up waiting for him and not allow his house to get broken into.


9 posted on 02/22/2014 11:57:48 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai; Just mythoughts
Of course, Revelation 16:15 has Jesus saying he is coming like a thief, not in the form of a thief. (The Greek word translated “as” or “like” in that verse can also mean “in the manner of”.)
10 posted on 02/23/2014 12:01:36 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So we had better make sure we have enough lamp oil.


11 posted on 02/23/2014 12:19:26 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: mountn man
Before Armageddon, during the judgments, 1/3 of mankind will be destroyed in war. Currently, there are 7.2 Billion people. That means about 2.4 billion will die in the war. The US is only 315 million. China has 1.35 Billion. There are approximately 1 billion muslims. However you want to look at it, 2.4 billion is a huge amount. Far beyond what a conventional war could kill.

Yet Christ said that 'war and rumors of war' were not the sign of the end. Matthew 24:6 ....And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, BUT the end is not yet.

And Paul tells Christians that we are to prepare for a spiritual war, not of flesh and blood. Ephesians 6 whole chapter. If one is not in Christ are they not 'spiritually dead'?

12 posted on 02/23/2014 12:22:04 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Olog-hai
Christ Himself isn’t the thief in the night. The metaphor refers to the suddenness that the time of trouble will fall with, and an admonition to keep watching. Matthew 24:43 notes that if the owner of the house knew when the thief was showing up, he would have stayed up waiting for him and not allow his house to get broken into.

Of course Christ is not a/the thief. However, for this analogy to be view for what it is, then the peoples here in majority will view Him, His return as a thief. Meaning they in majority already believe that He has returned and are no longer waiting/watching for His return. Plain and simple, the whole world will be deceived except for the elect.

13 posted on 02/23/2014 12:25:53 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: mountn man

~~~Before Armageddon, during the judgments, 1/3 of mankind will be destroyed in war. Currently, there are 7.2 Billion people. That means about 2.4 billion will die in the war.~~~

Generally correct. 1/3 die from all kinds of stuff. And yes, at least 2.4 billion.


14 posted on 02/23/2014 12:52:12 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: mountn man

The fire that destroys the chaff is the Holy Spirit. For the same reason that a prayerful blessing to an evil person is like placing hot coals upon their head. The Holy Spirit is such a high frequency of consciousness that it has the same effect upon low frequency dense objects such as fear, guilt and anger as a dense object such as a spoon or fork placed into a microwave will become hot, throw sparks and ignite anything combustible around it.

The weeds will be burned by the same Holy Spirit that Jesus used to cast out demons and to remove the guilt fear and anger from people’s souls in order to heal their flesh. The Holy Spirit is perfect Love and perfect Love casts out fear. It is this process that heals the soul and the flesh and by the same process, anyone who holds onto the “old” wineskin and tries to fill it with the new Spirit will perish.


15 posted on 02/23/2014 1:18:48 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: F15Eagle

Could the 1/3 of mankind being killed, be abortion? Are we, having been led astray in a spiritual war, not killing 1/3 of mankind now?


16 posted on 02/23/2014 2:31:28 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: mountn man

Bttt


17 posted on 02/23/2014 3:34:18 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: jacknhoo

I never considered that but it’s certainly possible.


18 posted on 02/23/2014 4:07:43 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows." ~Matthew 24:36

First from what I read of the article this man was not claiming a date or time nor was he calling Obama anti-Christ. He just said he was paving the way for him.

Second, we are to be discerning and watchful knowing the times and no matter how you see it, Israel is reborn, something for almost 2,000 years seemed impossible and a generation is passing away since the date of its conception. Whether you count from 1948 and its reforming or 1967 of it regaining Jerusalem.

Yes, the systems are or have been set up to control the populations of the world the Bible spoke of.

19 posted on 02/23/2014 4:20:53 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

wouldn’t be surprised if the anti-christ will be gay.


20 posted on 02/23/2014 4:39:18 AM PST by yongin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

hal lindsey’s book, the late great planet earth, may have been written 5o years too early.


21 posted on 02/23/2014 4:43:52 AM PST by yongin
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To: mountn man

Those who helped Obama in any way should pay the consequences.


22 posted on 02/23/2014 4:45:07 AM PST by Loud Mime (Character matters for those who understand the concept)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When Obama was first elected, we saw what it will look like when the antichrist does arrive. The spectacle of the whole world celebrating the arrival of a savior. Obama's problem is that he was never imbued by Satan with supernatural power to actually be the antichrist, though I'm sure he wished he had.

Indeed, everything Obama is doing is paving the way for a system whereby you must have the government stamp of approval to participate. And the populace are gradually being whipped into submission.

Along with the political powers that are being erected to implement the new world order is the evolving religious system that will support it. A system where devout Christians need not apply, and in fact must get their minds right if they wish to continue to buy and sell. A religious system where if you can't openly celebrate homosexuality, then you will be required to wear an armband.

23 posted on 02/23/2014 4:58:24 AM PST by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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BFL- great thread- insightful comments/questions


24 posted on 02/23/2014 5:26:00 AM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All the evil dictators/dictator wannabees are setting the stage. Just as is society as it slides into a moral cesspool. Trying to attribute a specific person's role in the big picture is a bit useless because we won't really know until after the fact. Then, history won't really matter anyway. Might as well roll with that flow as it will happen and nobody can predict the hour/day without making new hourly predictions until it comes.

Thinking we can turn things around and stop it is also an exercise in futility which diverts us from carrying the Word.

25 posted on 02/23/2014 5:50:06 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rev 13:17 talks about being unable to buy or sell without the mark of the beast. I have often imagined that the “mark” is actually where a microchip has been implanted in the forehead which connects to your bank balance. The check-out technology scans the UPC code on the product then scans the chip on the forehead to withdraw the funds. It will be sold to us as safe, secure and unable to be hijacked by identity thieves.

The technology for this already exists. All that’s needed to implement this is someone powerful enough and evil enough to compel it on all the citizenry. Obama, in his quest for government-run health care (already in place in much of Europe and many other parts of the world) , is establishing a government-run system in which citizens are compelled to do business with the government which controls the banking system.

The foundation is being laid and, intentionally or not, Obama is part of this movement to make government all-powerful enough to control whether we can buy or sell in the marketplace. There will probably be more Obamas in the future, interspersed with a few kindly populists who will diffuse the big picture, but the march toward worldwide government tyranny is on the way and nobody can stop it - nobody from this realm, that is.


26 posted on 02/23/2014 6:00:40 AM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: dps.inspect
I agree 1000% to what you posted. As Zero campaigned, I saw the affects he had and it reminded me of how the world will be looking for a savior and will accept the AC, celebrating. The Bible tells us, that if it were possible, that even the elect would be fooled. That's how I knew it wasn't Barry. He wasn't close to fooling a lot of people.
BUT...watching the events unfold, was like being in a group of mass hypnotized people, but a bunch of us the hypnosis didn't take. While everybody is being told to love and cheer Dumbo, the rest of us watch with open eyes as the hypnotist does his thing and the others bark, fawn and cheer. We see whats really going on.

Recently BAHBAWA WAWA made the statement "We thought he was the next messiah". They WANTED him to be. They were hoping and praying (to their false god) that he was. Zero will destroy the US and drag the rest of the world with. The whole world is a house of cards ready to collapse. When it goes it will be big. With all the "hope" in a messiah that Jug Ears brought, his failure will just pave the way for the AC to come on the seen. SURELY, if The Won can't save us, then when AC arrives on the seen, he will REALLY make the masses swoon.
And the problems in the world?...All caused by those "deniers", the Christians and Jews.

If you're on any public forums, you can begin to see how Christians are beginning to be hated.

Anti-Semitism is RAPIDLY rising also.

This whole ME peace thing is a joke, except Israel is being made into the "punch" line. We are being told and conditioned that if the talks fail, Israel is at fault. Nobody knows whats going on behind the doors, all we hear is Lurch's comments, planting the seeds that Israel is being unreasonable.

No man knows the day or the hour, just like Christ's first coming. But the wise men knew the times and were watching expectantly. Today, many are watching expectantly.

27 posted on 02/23/2014 6:17:58 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: trebb

The only exercise we can do, that’s NOT futility, is telling others about Christ. The Bible tells us that the Word must go unto all the world and when the full number comes in, THEN Christ comes. None of us knows that number. Only God the Father. But we are to be praying and looking for Gods kingdom. Actively participating in bringing it here.


28 posted on 02/23/2014 6:23:35 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: OrangeHoof
I had heard 3-4-5 years ago, that the CFR wanted everybody chipped by 2017.

That's probably the REAL job of Bluffdale. Not to just track peoples phone calls, but to track their every movement. Their comings and goings, every financial transaction, every association.

29 posted on 02/23/2014 6:32:52 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man
I had heard 3-4-5 years ago, that the CFR wanted everybody chipped by 2017.

***

All your base beings are belong to us

30 posted on 02/23/2014 6:48:38 AM PST by restornu
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To: Olog-hai
There are multiple signs of it getting closer. The problem is, it’ll hit like a thief in the night.

1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

31 posted on 02/23/2014 6:48:41 AM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama isn’t the Anti-Christ: He doesn’t have the work-ethic required.


32 posted on 02/23/2014 6:53:02 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Could Tim Tebow have gotten wind of this stuff as to why he cancelled an appearance at Jeffers’ First Baptist Dallas about a year or so ago?


33 posted on 02/23/2014 7:31:10 AM PST by onedoug
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To: OrangeHoof
" ...where a microchip has been implanted in the forehead which connects to your bank balance. The check-out technology scans the UPC code on the product then scans the chip on the forehead to withdraw the funds. It will be sold to us as safe, secure and unable to be hijacked by identity thieves. "

I know a professing Christian who thinks something like this would be just swell.

34 posted on 02/23/2014 7:39:58 AM PST by OKSooner ("As the riders went on by him, he heard one call his name...")
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To: mountn man
The only exercise we can do, that’s NOT futility, is telling others about Christ. The Bible tells us that the Word must go unto all the world and when the full number comes in, THEN Christ comes. None of us knows that number. Only God the Father. But we are to be praying and looking for Gods kingdom. Actively participating in bringing it here.

Amen to that.

35 posted on 02/23/2014 7:43:10 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: yongin

Hal Lindsey made the mistake that many have and still do that a generation is 40 years. It’s actually 70 years per scripture.


36 posted on 02/23/2014 7:55:08 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: mountn man

There is a Calvary Chapel pastor (JD Farag) in Kaneohe HI who does a Prophecy update every sunday as part of his sunday sermon. They put the updates up on Youtube every week, along with his other sermons. If you type in “JD Farag: Prophecy Update”, you’ll see his stuff. I discovered him las year and have been following along ever since. Some may find him a little hyped, but I think solid.


37 posted on 02/23/2014 8:15:03 AM PST by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: CynicalBear

Or 100yrs... there is the question of generation overlap too. I think it has more to do with “knowing the times” than the exact time anyway. What should be taken away is that we are close, very close... Look UP!


38 posted on 02/23/2014 8:18:52 AM PST by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Heh,heh...


39 posted on 02/23/2014 8:19:56 AM PST by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are two books, each written over 100 years ago that lend incredible credence to this type of thinking. I’m not suggesting for a second that I subscribe to the truth of any this, but believe me, when you read either one of these books you’ll sit straight up in your chair.

The smaller book (a novella) is entitled “Tale of the Antichrist” by Vladimir Solovyev; while the other book is called Lord of the World, by Robert Hugh Benson.

Both books talk about the same topic, the end of the world. And the focus of both books is the appearance and activities of the antichrist. The Solovyev book is timeless in its setting, but the Benson book is futuristic. Although it was written over 100 years ago it appears to be set in these current times. The writer seemed to have anticipated much of what we see going on today.

But what is incredibly remarkable, no frightening, actually frightening, is the fact that in both books one could not have described a character more like Barack Obama than each of these men have done. It is truly unreal.

Although Amazon sells them both, I’m almost certain they are free downloads online.

For your information, Solovyev was apparently a Russian Orthodox Christian, while Robert Hugh Benson (although the son of the Archbishop of Canterbury) converted to Catholicism and became a Roman Catholic priest.


40 posted on 02/23/2014 8:40:56 AM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: Just mythoughts

That was the first thing Jesus warned about: the false Christs and false apostles.


41 posted on 02/23/2014 8:49:03 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: dps.inspect
>>Or 100yrs...<<

\ Actually no only 80 if given health.

>>there is the question of generation overlap too.<<

That could be a consideration but one needs to take into account the generation that was alive when Israel was reformed as a nation. The pretty much eliminates any generation born after 1948 or so.

>>What should be taken away is that we are close, very close... Look UP!<<

Amen and Amen! And with the speed at which things are changing to appear to be fulfilling those prophecies it could be very, very close.

42 posted on 02/23/2014 9:30:00 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: dps.inspect

He very well could be the AntiChrist, has any other leader ever been an evangelist for sodomy and sodomites like Obama? He most clearly is a man of sin as no other in history. Neither Hitler nor Stalin, changed times and laws as Obama has done. To Obama good is evil, and evil is good. Homosexuality is a sin that cries to Heaven for judgment, he chastises and rebukes any nation which does not follow his defiled and perverted beliefs. Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. The Synagogue of Satan media, love shoving Sodomy in the face of God fearing Christians. Pray for the destruction of God’s enemies, O God, seek out Your enemies wickedness until You find none, it is time for You to work O Jehovah! for they have made void Your Law, This I pray in Jesus’ holy name. Amen


43 posted on 02/23/2014 11:10:07 AM PST by JosefKozma (Repentance)
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To: jacknhoo

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+9:18&version=KJV

Revelation 9:18

King James Version (KJV)

18 By these three was the third part of men killed,
by the fire, and
by the smoke, and
by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.


44 posted on 02/23/2014 11:58:58 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: ilovesarah2012

above


45 posted on 02/23/2014 11:59:54 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: dps.inspect

~~~When Obama was first elected, we saw what it will look like when the antichrist does arrive. The spectacle of the whole world celebrating the arrival of a savior.~~~

Correct.

The beast (Satan) that ascends up from the pit possesses the Antichrist. That is why he is killed ‘the son of perdition’. This term was only used of Judas, and Satan eventually entered into him at The Last Supper.

I’m convinced this does not take place until the Antichrist is killed and then resurrected, astonishing the whole world.


46 posted on 02/23/2014 12:01:48 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Loud Mime

They will. They are blind to what’s happening.

They will not laugh last regarding this enabling.


47 posted on 02/23/2014 12:02:26 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: OrangeHoof

Or the right hand. And most of the population is right-handed.


48 posted on 02/23/2014 12:06:01 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Iscool

yep


49 posted on 02/23/2014 12:07:04 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: JosefKozma

~~~He most clearly is a man of sin~~~

yep


50 posted on 02/23/2014 12:09:50 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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