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Criticized by Benedict, liberation theology founder gets hero’s welcome at Vatican
AP ^ | February 25, 2014 | NICOLE WINFIELD

Posted on 02/26/2014 3:40:12 PM PST by ebb tide

The founder of liberation theology, the Latin American-inspired Catholic theology advocating for the poor, received a hero’s welcome Tuesday at the Vatican as the once-criticized movement continues its rehabilitation under Pope Francis. The Rev. Gustavo Gutierrez of Peru was the surprise speaker Tuesday at a book launch featuring the head of the Vatican’s orthodoxy office, Cardinal Gerhard Mueller; one of Francis’ top advisers, Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga; and the Vatican spokesman.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: benedict; catholic; communism; francis; gustavogutierrez; gutierrez; liberation; liberationtheology; marxism; pope; popefrancis; socialism; vatican

1 posted on 02/26/2014 3:40:12 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

A commie/Muslim President and a commie/Catholic Pope - wunderbar!

This can not end well.


2 posted on 02/26/2014 3:43:44 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: ebb tide

“the Latin American-inspired Catholic theology advocating for the poor”

the writer is proficient at stating the obvious while denying the truth

Liberation theology is nothing other than the Marxist dialtectic written into the Christian message, period.

Now, I suppose we are supposed to be surprised of this Marxist hero’s welcome at the Vatican. I’m not.


3 posted on 02/26/2014 3:46:36 PM PST by Wuli
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To: ebb tide
The Rev. Gustavo Gutierrez of Peru was the surprise speaker Tuesday at a book launch featuring the head of the Vatican’s orthodoxy office, Cardinal Gerhard Mueller; one of Francis’ top advisers, Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga; and the Vatican spokesman.

IB4TPWMA

4 posted on 02/26/2014 3:48:44 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: ebb tide

The lefty Roman Catholics I know absolutely love Pope Francis.

As a Roman Catholic I continue to have my doubts....

A civil war within the Church continues to grow...


5 posted on 02/26/2014 3:49:23 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: GladesGuru
A commie/Muslim President and a commie/Catholic Pope - wunderbar!

Queer, too. (both of them.)

6 posted on 02/26/2014 3:50:10 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

The one Catholic I trust above all others is my mother. She always warned about Jesuits.


7 posted on 02/26/2014 3:53:23 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: fwdude

The Pope is not queer. Just because the media is doing a great job falsely characterizing him as a big, hippie, Commie does not mean he deserves to be slandered.

As for Obama, no idea.


8 posted on 02/26/2014 4:04:24 PM PST by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: ebb tide
The founder of liberation theology....received a hero’s welcome

Great

9 posted on 02/26/2014 4:05:08 PM PST by xone
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To: Le Chien Rouge

“As a Roman Catholic I continue to have my doubts....”

Nothing I have read about this pope inspires any confidence at all.

As for liberation theology, I’d advise the Vatican to be cautious, there’s plenty to be “liberated” in their coffers.

But, like all commies everywhere, their own wealth is cool, it’s the other guy who’s underserving.


10 posted on 02/26/2014 4:06:47 PM PST by jocon307
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To: ebb tide

FWIW, the story before he was elected Pope was that Francis had a strong record in opposition to Liberation Theology. Of course, that’s just what was said about him, I don’t know it directly.

Also, the Pope doesn’t seem to have invited this guy to be an honored speaker. Gerhard Mueller did. This wouldn’t be the first time that the press pretended that “the Vatican” was interchangeable with “the Pope.”

That said, I confess I really don’t know what to make of this guy. But I am less hopeful than I was at first that he might broom out the troublemakers in the Vatican. It would take a strong and determined Pope to do that. PJP II and Benedict XVI were evidently unable to do it, although their intentions were good.


11 posted on 02/26/2014 4:13:52 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Wuli

And it’s also the reason why the Evangelical churches have spread so far. Why go to a church that says you must be poor, when you can go to a church that says the Lord wants you to prosper?


12 posted on 02/26/2014 4:37:04 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (RINOs only strategy is to surrender. At least the French have the Foreign Legion.)
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To: jocon307

POPE FRANCIS, MARXISM AND LIBERATION THEOLOGY.

Pope describes as “mistaken” the Marxist ideology.

From “mistaken” to “intrinsically perverse” goes a long way. A mistake that has cost more than 150 million human beings sacrificed at the altar of this evil ideology.

Pope Francis describes Marxism just as “mistaken”, in a dramatic contrast with the doctrine of the Church that has defined it as “intrinsically perverse” in the Encyclical “Divini Redemptoris” of Pius XI over atheistic communism published in 1937, an ideology unequivocally condemned by the Magisterium since the end of the 19th century to Benedict XVI.

That soft position of Pope Francisco vs. the Marxist penetration of The Church explains the great joy of the founders and proponents of the Marxist Liberation theology when he was chosen as the Vicar of Christ on Earth.

The “Liberation Theology” was condemned by Juan Pablo II in the “Instruction on certain aspects of the theology of liberation”, promulgated by his order by the prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the doctrine of the faith, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, later elected as Pope Benedict XVI.

In opening the Vatican doors to the Marxist promoters, Pope Francis is disregarding the Magisterium of the Church.

‘Try, venerable brethren, with care that the faithful do not be fooled. Communism is intrinsically evil, and cannot accept that they collaborate with communism, in any field, those who want to save Christian civilization from the ruin. And if some, misled the, cooperate for the establishment of communism in their own countries, they will be the first to pay the penalty of their error; and the more ancient and luminous is the civilization created by Christianity in the Nations in which Communism managed to penetrate, the greater the devastation that they will exercise the hatred of Communist atheism.”(Pius XI, Divine Redemptory’s)

“Would be illusory and dangerous to get to forget the intimate bond that unites them radically, accept the Marxist analysis elements without recognizing its relations with ideology, entering the practice of the fight of classes and its Marxist interpretation leaving perceive the kind of totalitarian society which leads this process “” . ‘ (Pablo VI, Octogesima adveniens, 1971)

INSTRUCTION ON SOME ASPECTS «THEOLOGY OF LIBERATION»
Quotes from the Instruction

Thus it is not uncommon to be ideological aspects that predominate in loans that many of the “theologians of liberation” taken from the Marxist authors...

VIII - SUBVERTING THE MEANING OF TRUTH AND VIOLENCE

1. This totalizing conception imposes its logic and drag “Theology of liberation” to accept a set of positions incompatible with the Christian vision of man. In fact, the ideological core, taken from Marxism, to which it refers, exercises the function of a determinant principle. This function has been given under the qualification of scientist, i.e., necessarily true, that has been attributed to him. In this core we can distinguish various components...

2. 8. The fundamental law of the class struggle has a character of universality and globalism. Reflected in all fields of existence, religious, ethical, cultural and institutional. With regard to this law, none of these fields is self-contained. This law is the decisive element in each...

9. By granting to the theses of Marxist origin, put radically into question the nature of ethics. In fact, the transcendent character of the distinction between good and evil, principle of morality, is implicitly denied in the view of the class struggle.


13 posted on 02/26/2014 4:55:03 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: ebb tide

Pope Francis is NOT in favor of Liberation Theology, no matter how much the media tries to make it seem that he is.


14 posted on 02/26/2014 6:06:02 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: jocon307
Nothing I have read about this pope inspires any confidence at all.

Just as the writers have planned. Please consider the SOURCE when you're reading about Pope Francis.

15 posted on 02/26/2014 6:07:28 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Francis wrote the preface of Mueller’s book, Poor for the Poor: The Mission of the Church, which contains two chapters written by Gutierrez.
16 posted on 02/26/2014 6:14:00 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: fwdude

These kind of comments and pure calumny come from Satan and not of God. Pope Francis has spoken out repeatedly against communism, Marxism and other forms of authoritarian governments. And he has never adopted any position contrary to the Church’s teaching on homosexual conduct and so-called lifestyle. You should be ashamed. But given the depravity of your comments, shame isn’t part of your lexicon.


17 posted on 02/26/2014 6:14:44 PM PST by CWW (Pray for God's Protection!)
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To: Alex Murphy

Ever notice most of the anti-Catholic bigots are really latent homosexuals? Just saying.....


18 posted on 02/26/2014 6:16:32 PM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: Wuli
Liberation theology is nothing other than the Marxist dialtectic written into the Christian message, period.

Yes, it's simply marxism minus atheism, yet its worldly orientation tends to undermine the Christian message. Liberation "theology" is a misnomer, as it is a humanist rather than theological concept. The "preferential option for the poor" is leftist political ideology masquerading as Christian charity. Marxism, unlike capitalism, is intrinsically and therefore irreformably evil, even when furnished with an ecclesiastical veneer.

19 posted on 02/26/2014 6:23:54 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: CWW

You should take after your pope: “who am I to judge?”

Disgraceful!


20 posted on 02/26/2014 6:28:06 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SuziQ
Pope Francis is NOT in favor of Liberation Theology, no matter how much the media tries to make it seem that he is.

He wrote the intro for Mueller's book on liberation theology. How could that be construed as anything but an endorsement?

21 posted on 02/26/2014 6:29:05 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: safeasthebanks
Ever notice most of the anti-Catholic bigots are really latent homosexuals? Just saying.....

I did not know that - are you an expert on the subject?

22 posted on 02/26/2014 7:34:05 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: safeasthebanks

How does one notice latent homosexuals? Just wonderin’...


23 posted on 02/26/2014 8:37:32 PM PST by Daffy
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To: Daffy
How does one notice latent homosexuals? Just wonderin’...

More to the point, how many interactions does it take to arrive at the conclusion "most of"? Is that what they call "cruising"?

24 posted on 02/26/2014 9:32:34 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: ebb tide
The founder of liberation theology, the Latin American-inspired Catholic theology advocating for the poor, received a hero’s welcome Tuesday at the Vatican as the once-criticized movement continues its rehabilitation under Pope Francis.

God help us. Fellow FReeper Catholic who are political conservatives else you wouldn't be on FR, please wake up and smell the coffee. You should cease and desist from calling yourselves conservative FReepers if you can't make a stand against this Marxist Pope. This needs to be put in caps:

THE ONCE-CRITICIZED MOVEMENT (Marxist Liberation Theology) CONTINUES ITS REHABILITATION UNDER POPE FRANCIS

25 posted on 02/27/2014 1:03:34 PM PST by sasportas
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To: CWW

Your comments stirs me to repost something I posted to the thread, “Fascination with Francis Stirs Protestants Hearts.” It caused a bit of heat on that thread, but, sad to say with this latest news, it turns out I was spot on. This lead article confirms what many of us here have seen all along about this Pope. Now it’s out in the light of day for all to see.

In that thread, I said:

I have zero fascination for this Marxist Pope, ‘Stirs Protestant hearts?’ Give me a break!

Put a Marxist in charge of the Roman church, the Catholic FReepers cover for him at every step, they do it all the time on the RF. Whatever political conservatism they might have goes out the window it seems, it apparently doesn’t mean diddly to a Catholic.


26 posted on 02/27/2014 1:18:44 PM PST by sasportas
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To: ebb tide

Bizarre! “Marxist” to these hateful ignoramuses is the synonym of “bad”! Did I say bizarre?


27 posted on 02/27/2014 1:22:54 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: ABQHispConservative

“And it’s also the reason why the Evangelical churches have spread so far.”

I don’t accept your rationale for why any number of Evangelical churches have spread, in the Hispanic world or anywhere else.


28 posted on 02/27/2014 1:33:46 PM PST by Wuli
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