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SAD CHURCH ATTENDANCE ESPECIALLY IN SOCIALIST COUNTRYS

Posted on 03/02/2014 3:02:05 AM PST by franky8

AustriA 18% [16]Belgium 7% [17] Canada 20%[18] Denmark 3% [16] Cyprus 25% [16]Czech Republic 11% [16] Estonia 4% [16] Finland 5% [16]France 12% [19] Greece 27% [16]Hungary 12% [16]Ireland 46% [20] Italy 31% [16]Latvia 7% [16] Lithuania 14% [16] Malta 75% [16]Norway 3% [21] Poland 63% [16] Portugal 29% [16]Slovakia33% [16]Slovenia18% [16] Spain 21% [16]Sweden 5% [16]United Kingdom 12% [22]United States 43%[18]


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: churchattendance; countries

1 posted on 03/02/2014 3:02:05 AM PST by franky8
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To: franky8

AMERICAS’ FUTURE GOING DOWN ? ? ?


2 posted on 03/02/2014 3:03:30 AM PST by franky8 (For the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: franky8

Church attendance don’t equate to belief in God, nor does it indicate the number of people who are Christian. It only indicates the number of people who have been able to find a church worth going to that hasn’t been corrupted. Many people worship and pray at home.


3 posted on 03/02/2014 3:09:20 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
Many people worship and pray at home.

Keep telling yourself that.

(I realize that there are some who do so...but if you think that those numbers are explained by home worship, you are utterly deluded)

4 posted on 03/02/2014 3:19:02 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: McGavin999

Agree. We are a nation of nomads; changing jobs, frequently moving. Church services are vastly different in each denomination. Have attended ‘community’ services at converted buildings where young adults are in the majority. The services include uplifting music and joyful sermons by enthusiastic young pastors. Very encouraging.

Public worship and belief in God. Eating out or a home cooked meal.?????


5 posted on 03/02/2014 3:39:00 AM PST by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: franky8

Yeah, I see a bunch of decomposing Western cultures. There is a church next to my house that is shared by two congregations (one meets on Saturdays). I came in on a hot day and saw the bulletin board with pictures of the church members for both congregations. One was a bunch of old white people, 75% had gray hair, maybe four children in the whole congregation. The other group was a local Korean church, mostly young smiling people, 1/3 of them kids.

The Church is doing just fine, it is just dying in the West while catching fire in Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Christianity has a bright future, but it will be a black, yellow, and brown future, not a white one. One day not too long from now, African missionaries will be sent to Europe and America to teach the good word to the heaven.


6 posted on 03/02/2014 3:40:18 AM PST by BurningOak (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2830849/reply?c=1)
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To: McGavin999
It only indicates the number of people who have been able to find a church worth going to that hasn’t been corrupted.

I hope and pray that God will give us some help in that area. I don't see a religious leader today who has what it takes to fix that problem without His intervention. The other side is doing too well at suppressing church attendance and at discouraging compliance with God's Word.

7 posted on 03/02/2014 3:41:16 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: BurningOak

A MUST READ

The Little Number of Those Who Are Saved
by St. Leonard of Port Maurice

Saint Leonard of Port Maurice was a most holy Franciscan friar who lived at the monastery of Saint Bonaventure in Rome. He was one of the greatest missioners in the history of the Church. He used to preach to thousands in the open square of every city and town where the churches could not hold his listeners. So brilliant and holy was his eloquence that once when he gave a two weeks’ mission in Rome, the Pope and College of Cardinals came to hear him. The Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin, the adoration of the Blessed Sacrament and the veneration of the Sacred Heart of Jesus were his crusades. He was in no small way responsible for the definition of the Immaculate Conception made a little more than a hundred years after his death. He also gave us the Divine Praises, which are said at the end of Benediction. But Saint Leonard’s most famous work was his devotion to the Stations of the Cross. He died a most holy death in his seventy-fifth year, after twenty-four years of uninterrupted preaching.

One of Saint Leonard of Port Maurice’s most famous sermons was “The Little Number of Those Who Are Saved.” It was the one he relied on for the conversion of great sinners. This sermon, like his other writings, was submitted to canonical examination during the process of canonization. In it he reviews the various states of life of Christians and concludes with the little number of those who are saved, in relation to the totality of men.

The reader who meditates on this remarkable text will grasp the soundness of its argumentation, which has earned it the approbation of the Church. Here is the great missionary’s vibrant and moving sermon.
Introduction

Thanks be to God, the number of the Redeemer’s disciples is not so small that the wickedness of the Scribes and Pharisees is able to triumph over them. Although they strove to calumniate innocence and to deceive the crowd with their treacherous sophistries by discrediting the doctrine and character of Our Lord, finding spots even in the sun, many still recognized Him as the true Messiah, and, unafraid of either chastisements or threats, openly joined His cause. Did all those who followed Christ follow Him even unto glory? Oh, this is where I revere the profound mystery and silently adore the abysses of the divine decrees, rather than rashly deciding on such a great point! The subject I will be treating today is a very grave one; it has caused even the pillars of the Church to tremble, filled the greatest Saints with terror and populated the deserts with anchorites. The point of this instruction is to decide whether the number of Christians who are saved is greater or less than the number of Christians who are damned; it will, I hope, produce in you a salutary fear of the judgments of God.

Brothers, because of the love I have for you, I wish I were able to reassure you with the prospect of eternal happiness by saying to each of you: You are certain to go to paradise; the greater number of Christians is saved, so you also will be saved. But how can I give you this sweet assurance if you revolt against God’s decrees as though you were your own worst enemies? I observe in God a sincere desire to save you, but I find in you a decided inclination to be damned. So what will I be doing today if I speak clearly? I will be displeasing to you. But if I do not speak, I will be displeasing to God.

Therefore, I will divide this subject into two points. In the first one, to fill you with dread, I will let the theologians and Fathers of the Church decide on the matter and declare that the greater number of Christian adults are damned; and, in silent adoration of that terrible mystery, I will keep my own sentiments to myself. In the second point I will attempt to defend the goodness of God versus the godless, by proving to you that those who are damned are damned by their own malice, because they wanted to be damned. So then, here are two very important truths. If the first truth frightens you, do not hold it against me, as though I wanted to make the road of heaven narrower for you, for I want to be neutral in this matter; rather, hold it against the theologians and Fathers of the Church who will engrave this truth in your heart by the force of reason. If you are disillusioned by the second truth, give thanks to God over it, for He wants only one thing: that you give your hearts totally to Him. Finally, if you oblige me to tell you clearly what I think, I will do so for your consolation.

FULL HOMILY

http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/fewness.shtml


8 posted on 03/02/2014 3:49:47 AM PST by franky8 (For the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: McGavin999
I agree with you totally. I went to church every day for many years in my youth. Things changed. I had little children and it would have meant hiring a babysitter.

Then the church changed. It was no longer a solemn place of worship. The Latin was gone. The guitar took the place of the majestic organ. It had lost its calm.

And the final straw....I returned to the church after many years. The priest greeted me and I told him of my return. He welcomed me with a box of envelopes. I never went back.

I pray every day....most of it aimed at my family.

I give to St. Jude instead of the church.

9 posted on 03/02/2014 3:53:25 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
Just remember that, according to St. Thomas, "...the celebration of this sacrament is an image representing Christ's Passion, which is His true sacrifice. Accordingly the celebration of this sacrament is called Christ's sacrifice...As the celebration of this sacrament is an image representing Christ's Passion, so the altar is representative of the cross itself, upon which Christ was sacrificed in His proper species."

The Last Supper is in reality Christ's very sacrifice on the cross, they cannot be separated. And as Jesus said, if you do not drink his blood and eat his flesh, you have no life in you.

The music and the behavior of the priest are secondary.

10 posted on 03/02/2014 4:09:41 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
The music and the behavior of the priest are secondary.

When the people in the church use your presence as an opportunity to sell sweetly-worded destruction to the community, voting with your feet can be the most God-afirming move you can make.

11 posted on 03/02/2014 4:20:54 AM PST by Yossarian
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To: franky8; dfwgator; All

Poland is still faithful to Jesus Christ, though the above 63% refers to those who attend the Holy Mass on regular basis, while there are many percents more who do it irregularly.

So, as always - POLONIA SEMPER FIDELIS:

see video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q3_Zt1JMi8


12 posted on 03/02/2014 4:23:18 AM PST by Matt_DZ_PL
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To: franky8

Where’s Germany? They pay a `church support tax’ over there.


13 posted on 03/02/2014 4:25:22 AM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: markomalley

I think that is the second time I have agreed with you. The first being back in May of 2007. ;-)


14 posted on 03/02/2014 4:33:31 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: elcid1970

Those who want church affiliation do.

Most German’s who pay the tax do so because it get’s them baptized, married and buried.

There are “free churches” that exist outside of this scheme and are actually doing well.


15 posted on 03/02/2014 4:37:44 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

” I think that is the second time I have agreed with you. The first being back in May of 2007. ;-)”

Scary


16 posted on 03/02/2014 4:41:19 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: BurningOak

Sometimes I wonder what Jesus said when he mentioned the rich man and the kingdom of heaven, some days I think he may have been referring to today, where some of the poorest people in the world enjoy going to church, while a a good deal of the wealthy make mocking those who believe in him their past-time.


17 posted on 03/02/2014 4:55:40 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: franky8
United States 43%[18]

I'd be very surprised if this were true. I suspect a lot of people are lying to the poll taker.

18 posted on 03/02/2014 5:11:22 AM PST by Lee N. Field (I beat wasp nests with a stick for fun.)
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To: franky8

I’m a little surprised that the US is as high as 43%.

Even setting the religious component of church aside, what going to church IS would tend to make it completely undesirable to younger people. Physically going to a large gathering of people on a morning when you’re off work to listen to someone talk and others sing music you absolutely can’t stand to listen to.

‘Church’ should be done online, or at least have that option as a part of a physical church. Setup a paypal for offerings and such. This would increase attendance, making it accessible from anywhere in the world, and they would likely even get more funds.(not many folks carry cash anymore and it’s easy to get them to use a card)


19 posted on 03/02/2014 6:23:42 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: franky8

BTTT!


20 posted on 03/02/2014 6:29:44 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Sacajaweau

I pray that you come back to the church. Paper envelopes? Not a reason to quit in my estimation.

Remember, God loves you.


21 posted on 03/02/2014 6:32:18 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: McGavin999
Many people worship and pray at home.

Indeed.

22 posted on 03/02/2014 6:36:00 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Yossarian
When the people in the church use your presence as an opportunity to sell sweetly-worded destruction to the community, voting with your feet can be the most God-afirming move you can make.

For Catholics, attending Sunday Mass is an obligation, so we must attend Mass at some Catholic church.

23 posted on 03/02/2014 6:48:30 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: KoRn

MY CHURCH, CATHOLIC IS IN A BIG PENNSYLVANIA MENNONITE TOWNSHIP WITH 38% CATHOLIC POPULATION. OF THAT 38%, 25% ATTEND.


24 posted on 03/02/2014 8:21:53 AM PST by franky8 (For the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: Sacajaweau; McGavin999; St_Thomas_Aquinas; Yossarian

There are lots of stories like yours. And while your’s may be “legitimate”, the vast majority are not. Most of those who have abandoned the Church have done so out of ignorance, laziness or just plain sinfulness. But admitting things like that even to one’s self is often difficult. It’s easier to blame others like the priests or the bishops. But Mcgavin999’s suggestion (which you buy into) is sheer Protestant/atheistic nonsense. Satan loves it, but you fool no one but yourself.

Nevertheless, everything you have said about your experience with the Church rings true, regardless of the details behind your departure. For in truth, it was the bishops who abandoned you. It was the Modernist bishops of the Catholic Church who decided that humanism (in the form of humanitarianism) was the path they would follow after Vatican II. They ceased talking about sin, heaven, hell and the Sacraments. They changed the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass into a meet-and greet, Protestant sing-a-long each Sunday (or Saturday if that works better for you), and they set the Church up as their camp of socialism, illegal immigration, global warming and many other leftist causes, all in the name of God.

Yes, and it sure is all about money for most of them. When they sing their song about the re-distribution of everyone’s wealth, it’s hard to tell the bishops and priests from Obama or any other progressive politician. Read some of Cardinal Dolan’s old speeches sometime. You’d think he was running for public office as he touts the “great charitable work” the Church has done. Holiness and the true worshipping of God Almighty in the Modern Novus Ordo Catholic Church (not in the Traditional Catholic Church) is a thing of the past.

Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church and charged the pope and bishops with one mission––to do everything within their power to lead all souls (which would include yours) to salvation. But they have abandoned that responsibility, and without question, they will pay a very heavy price. But you have foolishly decided to pay that price as well. In spite of the Protestant advice that was given to you by McGavin999, remember that you do not get a free pass just because you were led astray by the Modernist bishops. As Christ said, “when the blind lead the blind, they both fall in the pit”.

Unfortunately, it appears that you may have abandoned Jesus Christ long enough for Satan to convince you that harming yourself makes sense. I certainly hope not, but if you have, you join a long line of Catholics who have left the Church and think that same way. And unless they repent before they die, they risk the almost unfathomable punishment of eternal damnation in hell’s fire, where the “worm never dies”. It is not a wise choice you are making. But like the rest of us, that choice is entirely yours.

This is not an advice column, but a public forum where the comments are fairly anonymous and the thoughts are for everyone. Still, some good advice would be to go to confession, get back to Church, ignore the Modernist bishops and priests, and live your life as you would if you thought you might be facing Jesus Christ tomorrow––because you might.


25 posted on 03/02/2014 10:20:26 AM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: tomsbartoo

FROM MY CURRENT TOME

Today’s Society faces many challenging issues such as abortion, euthanasia, stem cell research and gay marriage, and people are either interested in the subject or could care less. This booklet is directed at those who care less. Care less people usually are in that frame of mind due to a lack of knowledge. We hope to increase the readers’ knowledge to have them interested.
Society today is living in trying times with good and evil being presented daily. As scripture tells us:

“john 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies”
Therefore it is our attempt to bring some truth to you on issues affecting Christians today. Too many people are not aware that issues such as abortion, embryo stem cell research, euthanasia, and gay marriage consummation causes sin even though you just “let it be” and do not participate.
Proverbs 16:9 “The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps”.

John 7:17
If anyone’s will is to do God’s will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.

Deception
Many of the errors that we promote have been gained by deception. Reading secular opinions and then taking them and basing them as fact has caused great schisms in the church,

Regarding our tendency toward deception, we can distinguish three different stances toward the problem.

I. On the one hand, we are sometimes the victim of deception. And the Scriptures frequently warn, “Do not be deceived….” Jesus warned. At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many (Mat 24:11)
St. Paul also lamented false apostles and Judaizers who misled many. He warned of savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. (Acts 20:29-30) He also spoke of some who will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1).
St. John warned of the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world (1 John 4:3).

Thus, to some degree we are victims of deceivers. The Scriptures warn us to be on our guard, do not be deceived! That is, “You are not to allow these deceivers to lead you astray, to make you wonder about in error and in sin. We are to resist them and see them for the deceivers they are.
It is hoped that by reviewing this booklet one can discern fact from deception.


26 posted on 03/02/2014 11:00:00 AM PST by franky8 (For the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: markomalley

Many Christians like me will no longer go to a church full of liberals or Christians that stick their heads in the dirt. I can no longer be part of it.


27 posted on 03/02/2014 11:07:51 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: who knows what evil?

U.S. News and the Internet site Beliefnet funded a poll to learn more about why, how, where and when people pray. Here is a summary of the findings:
• 75% percent were Christian.
• 64% say they pray more than once a day.
• 56% say they most often pray for family members, with 3.3% saying that they pray for strangers.
• A little over 38% say that the most important purpose of prayer is intimacy with God.
• 41% say that their prayers are answered often.
• 1.5% say that their prayers are never answered.
• Over 73% say when their prayers are not answered, the most important reason is because they did not fit God’s plan.
• 5% say that they pray most often in a house of worship.
• 79% say that they pray most often at home.
• 67% say that in the past six months, their prayers have related to continually giving thanks to God. (Pastor’s Weekly Briefing, 12/24/04)

I CAN ADD PRAYING FOR THE SICK, PRAYING FOR THE SOULS IN PURGATORY, PRAYING FOR THE CLERGY. MY CARETAKER AND MY WIFE WHO DIVORCED ME 30 YEARS AGO,


28 posted on 03/02/2014 11:10:16 AM PST by franky8 (For the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: bmwcyle
Many Christians like me will no longer go to a church full of liberals or Christians that stick their heads in the dirt. I can no longer be part of it.

I understand, but to repeat what I said:

I realize that there are some who do so...

I don't, for a second, deny that there are some people who study the Scriptures at home, pray at home, fellowship with likeminded believers and so on and so forth. Didn't in post #4, never did so before then, still don't.

However, in the majority of cases, you end up having people who are "spiritual but not religious" and who end up thinking that "touched by an Angel" is a Christian program, who believe the spiritual people brought on TV by Oprah or other folks are really good people who have new and improved ideas that we should look at, and who get their theology from the "Inspiration" section of the grocery store checkout line and think that the prosperity gospel preached by televangelists is authentic Christianity.

In short, they become tools.

I am not saying that you or any other FReeper fits into that category. I am saying that this is where more and more Americans are sinking.

29 posted on 03/02/2014 12:09:59 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

I am not going to church to fight anymore. That is not a place I can go to have conflict. I have enough of it going to work or just living.


30 posted on 03/02/2014 12:23:32 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle
I am not going to church to fight anymore. That is not a place I can go to have conflict. I have enough of it going to work or just living.

No offense, but that's what they hope for: to wear us all down.

31 posted on 03/02/2014 12:29:12 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: bmwcyle

In the late 1950s Rome sent instructions to U S Bishops about what to do if the U S became Communist, There was beliefs that Commies had infiltrated the seminaries.

In attending Mass in Mt Carmel Pa in 1972 the priest spent his whole homily preaching that we should support the Harrisburg 7 and Berrigan who were facing prison


32 posted on 03/02/2014 12:30:32 PM PST by franky8 (For the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: markomalley

Sometimes you have to retreat to win. I will know when it is time to enter the fight again.


33 posted on 03/02/2014 12:45:01 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: franky8

So many of the church leaders have gone to the enemy or have just gone neither hot nor cold as Jesus warned against.


34 posted on 03/02/2014 12:46:30 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle

Revelation 3:14-22 ESV / 300 helpful votes

“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation. “‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.

I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.


35 posted on 03/02/2014 1:32:39 PM PST by franky8 (For the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: franky8

That is our modern church.


36 posted on 03/02/2014 1:55:28 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle
Sometimes you have to retreat to win. I will know when it is time to enter the fight again.

My honest suggestion is to find one you can live with...fellowship is very important.

37 posted on 03/02/2014 2:13:02 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

I looked. They do not exist around here.


38 posted on 03/02/2014 2:26:07 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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