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Fr. Zs 1st reaction to Bp. Olson banning Extraordinary Form at FWs Fisher More College-Update @7
WDTPRS ^ | 3/3/2014 | Fr John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 03/03/2014 10:29:03 AM PST by markomalley

My mail box has filled up this morning with reports that the Bishop of Fort Worth, Most Rev. Michael Olson, who was recently consecrated and installed in his see in November 2013 at a mere 47 years of age, has “banned” celebrations of Mass in the Extraordinary Form at the chapel of Fisher More College.

The source of these reports seems to be the blog Rorate Caeli, which provides a copy of the letter that Bp. Olson sent to Mister Michael King, who is the President of Fisher More College.

Here is the letter, which I found at the aforementioned blog:

None of us are privy to the conversation, mentioned by the bishop in his letter, that took place on 24 February.  I have no idea what the tone of that conversation was or how many conversations took place.

However, I am appalled at the tone of the Bp. Olson’s letter to Mr. King.  Frankly, it reminds me of a note an authoritarian seminary rector would pin on the mailroom bulletin board about student attire or lights-out time, rather then gentle pastoral solicitude of a diocesan bishop in the era of Pope Francis.  I am shocked at the suggestion that this decision is taken for the sake of the souls of the students and the president himself, as if the Extraordinary Form were somehow spiritually harmful.

That said, what we don’t know about this situation could fill volumes.

For example, I discern in the bishop’s second point, the one about his granting faculties, the possibility that the priest who had been saying Mass at Fisher More on a regular basis may not have had any faculties at all, from any bishop or religious superior.  I suspect that there is more to that poorly phrased second point than meets the eye.

Also, while some Catholic college and university chaplaincies also have the canonical designation as a parish (e.g., St. Paul’s at the University of Madison), Summorum Pontificum doesn’t seem to apply as clearly.  The Motu Proprio doesn’t seem to apply to college chapels and chapels on military bases.  That said, the spirit of both Summorum Pontificum and Universae Ecclesiae communicate something far different from the tone, at least, of the bishop’s letter.

Again, what we don’t know about this situation could fill volumes.  I, at least, don’t know who the priests were who were saying that Mass for the students at Fisher More.  Were they of the SSPX or some independent group?  Were they preaching things that were improper (e.g., attacking Pope Francis from the pulpit)?  More will come out, and soon.

In the meantime, it is hard to imagine why a letter with such a menacing tone would be sent to a layman about something which soon-to-be St. John Paul II described as a “legitimate aspiration”.  You will recall that Bl. John Paul asked, nay rather, required by his apostolic authority, that respect be shown to those who desire the traditional forms of the Roman Rite (cf. Ecclesia Dei adflicta, 6c).

My first hope and prayer, and petition to the Guardian Angels of those involved, is for cool heads and a positive resolution to this conflict so that the students and staff of Fisher More will be able to have their legitimate aspirations respected according to the will of St. John Paul and Benedict XVI.


TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: extraordinaryform; fishermore; fishermorecollege
More about this story...but with a slightly different editorial twist than Rorate Cæli.

As he points out (and as I said on the earlier thread), there very well may be more than meets the eye at the surface of this.

1 posted on 03/03/2014 10:29:03 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley
For example, I discern in the bishop’s second point, the one about his granting faculties, the possibility that the priest who had been saying Mass at Fisher More on a regular basis may not have had any faculties at all, from any bishop or religious superior. I suspect that there is more to that poorly phrased second point than meets the eye.

IF the priests saying the TLM at Fisher-More were somehow defective, and that's a big IF, then why didn't the bishop offer a satisfactory priest as a substitute? Why this draconian ban?
2 posted on 03/03/2014 10:36:43 AM PST by irishjuggler
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To: markomalley

It’s interesting that he (as I did) also questions whether SP applies here.

And if it doesn’t, nothing will stop this bishop.


3 posted on 03/03/2014 10:42:46 AM PST by piusv
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To: markomalley
God bless Father Z. A cooler head that should prevail.

Still a worrisome situation. Keep praying.

"What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of a sudden entirely forbidden or even considered harmful. It behooves all of us to preserve the riches which have developed in the Church’s faith and prayer, and to give them their proper place." - PBXVI

4 posted on 03/03/2014 10:59:54 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: markomalley

I too was taken by Father Z’s very lucid response, balancing the known, with the unknown. The known is a jolt and painful, on its face. Therefore, there better be a dang good reason coming, immediately.

I must say, that since Vatican II and Novus Ordo, the masses are nearly foreign, in every possible way, regrettably and fully protestant to the rules and piety established in the old form mass.

Obviously, Pope Benedict’s regard for the Tradition has been fought tooth and nail in the United States. We have seen the carnage, ever since. ( I was only received in 2000, and even in that short time have seen increasing impiety, myself.) It’s getting pretty stunning out there.


5 posted on 03/03/2014 11:42:09 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: markomalley

I had an opportunity to meet Dr. James Patrick, a past president of the school. He is a learned and serious man. I think the school is small enough that it might look to make a quickie move outside of the diocese.

When someone is being penalized, it is a courtesy to inform him of the penalty. “You know what you did!” isn’t sufficient for grownups. This school has kept some folks from going full-bore SSPX.


6 posted on 03/03/2014 12:03:11 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Religion Moderator; Admin Moderator; irishjuggler; piusv; Mrs. Don-o; BlatherNaut; RitaOK; ...
Father Z has posted this update based upon some additional info he's gotten:

UPDATE:

A priest friend forwarded information from HIS priest friend in Dallas.  Thus, I will edit a great deal and use bullet points. These things either happened or they didn’t and can be verified one way or another:

All of these points (except the last, which was an opinion) suggest dysfunction which the new bishop needed to address.

It may indeed be that this is not about “hatred for the TLM”.  If that is the case, then Bp. Olson will surely want to make that clear in some way.

One commentator, below, observed that the bishop said that students could go to a parish, off-campus, where the TLM is offered, thus suggesting that he doesn’t have a problem with the TLM itself.

I hope that is the case.  The tone of the bishop’s letter certainly fueled that suspicion.  Getting some of the details out will help diffuse some of this tension about an “attack by a bishop on the TLM”.  It may not be that at all, though I still scratch my head about this.

As I said above, what we don’t know can fill volumes, that it will swiftly come out, and that we must must must pray for cooling heads and the help of our angelic companions.

RM/AM, can you please highlight the update in the title? Thanks.

7 posted on 03/03/2014 12:30:02 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

Thank you for the speedy post of this update.


8 posted on 03/03/2014 12:54:08 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: markomalley
It may be that there are problems at Fisher-More, but why the ban? The ban implies that the TLM itself is the problem. If Fisher-More is bringing in suspended priests, the bishop has the right to stop it from doing that. But his solution should be to bring in acceptable priest(s). This smells a lot like an excuse to administer a death blow to this fledgling school.

Suppose that some 'normal' Catholic college allowed some liberal/leftist priest or nun onto campus to give a lecture denying some aspect of Catholic doctrine or dogma (believe me, it's probably happening as I type this), and the local bishop's reaction was to say, 'Okay, enough is enough. This place is a hotbed of heresy, and I'm banning the Novus Ordo on this campus. Extraordinary Form only for the kids until further notice.' Can we imagine the reaction?

And yet Summorum Pontificum says that the Ordinary Form and EF are two forms of the same rite and are of equal dignity. A bishop can no more ban the EF than the OF.
9 posted on 03/03/2014 12:56:10 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: markomalley
Regarding these points:

In May a prof of FMC (Fisher More College) gave a talk and denied aspects of Vatican II

Without hearing the exact quotation, and the exact "aspect" of VII denied, it's hard to make anything of it. Parts of VII seem at times to deny aspects of VII. I wish people who make these accusations would at least cite something, the way Evangelicals do, something like "That goes against Lumen Gentium 37 AND Gaudium et Spes 4!" We don't even get that. All in all, without the actual denial, I cannot call this a fact.

•The FSSP priests withdrew their services at FMC some time ago.
That's a fact. Need to know more.

•Taylor Marshall, married with several children, resigned his job at FMC without another job.

That can happen for a variety of reasons. Personality conflict might mean that the parties need MORE Masses, not fewer.

•At Thanksgiving, 2013, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, the suspended Fatima Priest, said Mass at FMC.
Was it a public or private Mass? In any event, how does disallowing non-suspended priests further the Church's salvific Mission?

These things took place when the Diocese of Fort Worth was vacant.

The original suspension of Lefebvre, when JPII was in the hospital. No one ever undid it.



This is very sad, and seems at odds with Pope Francis' message of understanding and reconciliation.
10 posted on 03/03/2014 1:04:45 PM PST by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: markomalley

>>— As is typical, certain bloggers who don’t like to do their homework, are suggesting the chaplains at Fisher More could have been SSPX or independent priests. A nominal amount of fact checking would have informed them that the first two chaplains were FSSP, and the third who just left was a Fathers of Mercy priest. And all three were personally approved by the previous bishop.<<

from rorate caeli


11 posted on 03/03/2014 1:09:24 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: markomalley

>>The orientation is unique among Catholic colleges, and it has led to some disagreements about tradition and contemporary Catholicism; a professor’s criticisms of the Second Vatican Council last academic year provoked internal debate, and concerns prompted the chancellor and a professor to resign.<<

But Dr. King says the College does not question the validity of the Ordinary Form Mass and eagerly submits “with mind and will to the infallible teachings of the Church and Her ordinary and universal Magisterium.”<<

http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/TheNewmanGuide/RecommendedColleges/FisherMoreCollege.aspx


12 posted on 03/03/2014 1:38:40 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: markomalley
One commentator, below, observed that the bishop said that students could go to a parish, off-campus, where the TLM is offered, thus suggesting that he doesn’t have a problem with the TLM itself.

I have been told that the fact that there is a TLM available SOMEWHERE in my diocese (albeit in an inacessible place at an inconvenient hour) is an adequate response to Summorum Pontificum and a reasonable excuse for disbanding a long-established group of parishioners. The net effect is, of course, that fewer people will be able to attend the TLM, and the chancery knows this. The TLM "problem" is thereby solved through attrition.

Regarding Fr. Gruner, he says he is incardinated in India, yet the Vatican refuses to recognize his incardination. IF what he says is true, then he is the victim of a grave injustice. Regarding the Fatima message, it is a fact that the consecration in the exact form specifically requested by the Blessed Virgin has not yet occurred. It's interesting that we are now seeing the errors of Russia repackaged under the guise of liberation theology and actually marketed by the Vatican in Cardinal Mueller's book (prefaced by Pope Francis).

Regarding "denying aspects of Vatican II", there are legitimate questions regarding the abruption and discontinuity with Tradition that the council unleashed, and some statements within the documents that are contradictory and vague. Since Faith and reason are supposed to be inseparable, there are clearly questions that should be addressed.

I sincerely hope that the Fisher More students and faculty will be treated justly by their bishop. There seems to be a developing pattern of intolerance toward traditional Catholicism and against those who legitimately question the prudence of certain papal comments and behaviors, and who dare to question the problems regarding Vatican II. The FFI demolition, the Radio Maria firings, the CMTV manifesto, and the derogatory comments by the pope appear to be part of a new backlash against traditional Catholicism. Whether this Fisher More situation is also part of the unfortunate trend is still unclear.

13 posted on 03/03/2014 1:45:19 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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14 posted on 03/03/2014 1:46:11 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: markomalley

A new member of our TLM parish just returned from FMC, he quit because of stuff going on there.


15 posted on 03/03/2014 1:52:52 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: pbear8; BlatherNaut; piusv
A new member of our TLM parish just returned from FMC, he quit because of stuff going on there.

Really? Is there any additional information that you would be at liberty to share?

16 posted on 03/03/2014 2:45:09 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

We’d all be better off if Fr. Nicholas Gruner was pope.


17 posted on 03/03/2014 2:52:30 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: irishjuggler; piusv; Mrs. Don-o; RitaOK; Dr. Sivana; BlatherNaut; pbear8; Salvation
UPDATE:

From a source in a diocesan office Somewhere In The English Speaking World, edited and with my emphases and comments:

This morning I asked our excellent team of orthodox canon lawyers to comment on the situation at Fisher More as reported by Rorate. Here are their thoughts:

Essentially they said the whole matter centers on the fact that Masses for the school are held in an oratory[that's why I raised the issue of "parish", above] because of this, they said the bishop is probably on solid ground despite the fact that they “took an immediate dislike of the bishop when reading the decree.”
[...]

Canon 1225 states that “All sacred celebrations can be performed in legitimately established oratories except those which the law or a prescript of the local ordinary excludes or the liturgical norms prohibit.”

Everything that happens within oratories are subject to regulation by the local ordinary. Because the local ordinary can lawfully regulate, restrict, or eliminate the celebration of the Mass or any of the sacraments in any oratory in his diocese, our canonists said that he most likely can restrict which form of the Mass is celebrated, because “he who can do the greater can do the lesser.” If you can prohibit Mass outright, the principle in law would suggest that you certainly can prohibit one form of the celebration. Furthermore, this is in a similar vein of regulating activities in Oratories with stipulations — for instance, “the Mass may only be celebrated in this oratory when some of the Christian faithful are present,” or “the Mass may only be celebrated in this oratory if extraordinary ministers of holy communion are not used.” [That's gonna happen!]

Again, the whole thing here hinges upon the fact [presumed] that the ordinary is regulating the activities in an oratory. (If there was a parish church across the street from Fisher More, and the pastor gave approval for the priests of the college to celebrate the vetus ordo their every day, the bishop could not prevent it because the situation would fall under the norms of Summorum and UE). [My point, above.]

[...]

There is some doubt about his ability to differentiate between the forms… and hopefully ED [Ecclesia Dei?] will swoop in and issue a clear statement…. but we’ll just have to see. [Don't hold your breath.  And... I must add... it isn't always a good idea to ask when you don't know the answer in advance.]

If the oratory at Fisher More is really a private chapel instead of an oratory (unlikely but technically possible), Canon 1228 — which governs the sacraments in chapels — is even more restrictive: “Without prejudice to the prescript of can. 1227, the permission of the local ordinary is required for Mass or other sacred celebrations to take place in any private chapel.”

There you have more grist for the mill.

UPDATE:

This, from a person who wrote to the PCE about the situation for the chapel of a Catholic college:

 

18 posted on 03/03/2014 2:55:54 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

Not as yet but will check with him on Sunday.


19 posted on 03/03/2014 3:29:03 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: BlatherNaut; piusv

Fisher More Welcomes Bishop-Elect Olson
November 20, 2013

Laudétur Iesus Christus

Fisher More College extends a most jubilant welcome to Bishop-Elect Michael Olson as the new shepherd of the Catholic Diocese of Fort Worth. For almost one year the College has been offering a weekly rosary for the election of a good shepherd to our diocese, and during this same period many members of the College community have been offering Mass intentions for the man who was ordained by Almighty God from the beginning of time to be our next bishop. It gives us joy to now commence offering prayers and sacrifices for His Eminence-to-be, and we hope to soon welcome him to our campus and community.

On Thursday, December 5 at 12 NOON, a Votive Mass of Thanksgiving for the election of Monsignor Olson will be offered in our college chapel.

Deus ómnium fidélium pastor et rector, fámulum tuum Michael, quem pastorem Ecclésiae Fort Worth praeésse voluísti, propítius réspice: da ei, quaésumus, verbo et exémplo, quibus praeest, profícere; ut ad vitam, una cum grege sibi crédito, pervéniat sempitérnam.

(O God, the shepherd and ruler of all faithful, look down favorably upon Thy servant, Michael, whom Thou hast been pleased to appoint pastor over the Fort Worth Church; grant, we beseech Thee, that he many benefit both by word and example those over whom he is set, and thus attain unto life eternal, together with the flock committed to his care.)

http://fishermore.edu/chronicles/fisher-welcomes-bishop-elect-olson/


20 posted on 03/03/2014 3:44:24 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: markomalley

**Fr. Nicholas Gruner, the suspended Fatima Priest, said Mass at FMC**

Is this suspended priest the only priest saying Mass at this college?

If so, I see why the Bishop banned the TLM. (Probably the priest wasn’t qualified to celebrate it.)


21 posted on 03/03/2014 4:15:25 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ebb tide

Jubilant no more.


22 posted on 03/03/2014 4:45:58 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

A List of College Chaplains Since 2010 - Fisher More College

With regard to chaplains who have exercised priestly ministries (Holy Mass and Confessions) at the College chapel:

Mass Durer

1. Every chaplain has been a priest in good standing with faculties from his Ordinary.

2. Every chaplain has had the approval of his superior to offer Mass and hear Confessions in the College chapel.

3. Every chaplain was given permission to exercise his faculties for Mass and Confession at the College chapel by the Ordinary (or Administrator acting in his stead) of the Catholic Diocese of Fort Worth.

The priests who have offered a public Mass in the Extraordinary Form and heard Confessions at the College chapel since August 2010 are the following:

1. Fr. Simon Zayas, TOR
2. Fr. Juan Diego, CFR
3. Fr. Samuel Weber, OSB
4. Fr. Thomas Longua, FSSP
5. Fr. Philip Wolfe, FSSP
6. Fr. Joseph Orlowski, FSSP
7. Fr. Christopher Henderson, CFM

Of the priests listed above, those who lived in-residence and/or were approved for assignment by their superiors and given permission by the Diocese of Fort Worth to exercise their faculties as chaplains at Fisher More College (whether for temporary or permanent assignments) included:

Fr. Simon Zayas, TOR
Fr. Samuel Weber, OSB
Fr. Joseph Orlowski, FSSP
Fr. Christopher Henderson, CFM

The other three priests (i.e., Fr. Juan Diego, CFR, Fr. Longua, FSSP, and Fr. Wolfe, FSSP) are priests who made either occasional or regular weekly visits to the campus for the purpose of offering Mass and hearing Confessions in the College chapel. In other words, these three priests were not officially assigned as chaplains to the College (as was the case with the four priests listed above), but rather they either occasionally or regularly assisted in the functions of the College chaplaincy. The College is grateful for, and deeply indebted to, all of these holy priests who served our students and staff.

In each case of the four priests listed above as temporary or permanent chaplains, the Fort Worth Diocese received written confirmation directly from their superiors confirming that the priests were in good standing and had the approval of the superior for the assignment. The College is confident that the Fort Worth chancery can confirm that the appropriate documentation was received for each of the priests listed above.

No public Mass of any Form has ever been offered in the College chapel by a priest lacking regular faculties. Over the past three years, the College has been privileged to host priests as overnight visitors to our campus, many of whom used the Chapel to offer private Masses, including priests from the Friars of the Immaculate, the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, and the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter.

Benedicamus Domino

JMJ

http://fishermore.edu/list-college-chaplains-since-2010/


23 posted on 03/03/2014 7:35:36 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Salvation

December 2013 – Fr. Nicholas Gruner, founder and director of the International Fatima Rosary Crusade, lectured on the Message of Fatima and its relevance today.

Note: In the days prior to the arrival of Fr. Gruner for his lecture, the College was made aware of allegations that Fr. Gruner had been suspended a divinis. After investigating the public record of this matter and obtaining an explanation directly from Fr. Gruner himself, the College learned that no Bishop has ever issued a sentence suspending Father a divinis, and that Father has two separate letters from the Archbishop of Hyderabad confirming (1995) and reaffirming (1999) his incardination in that diocese. In any event, Father was coming to our campus to speak on the message of Fatima, and not to exercise any priestly ministries. Thus, the College proceeded with the event.

http://fishermore.edu/guest-speakers-fisher-college/


24 posted on 03/03/2014 7:50:21 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

There is never a good reason to ban the Mass of all Time. Here we have a Bishop using the TLM as a weapon. If there are issues at the college, then deal with those issues. Don’t take away the Mass.

We don’t know the whole story, but I can’t imagine any scenario warranting this.

Could you imagine any bishop taking away the NO from any so-called liberal “Catholic” college?


25 posted on 03/04/2014 4:18:27 AM PST by piusv
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To: ebb tide

Father Gruner’s Status as a Catholic Priest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xh4-6muhoA


26 posted on 03/04/2014 5:37:36 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: markomalley

Dr. Taylor Marshall:

https://www.facebook.com/DrTaylorMarshall?ref=stream&hc_location=timeline
“I am preparing some comments on Fisher More. I want to pray and make sure that all is said in charity and truth. Most people don’t know the whole story about Fisher More and so they are scandalized. I hope to find a way for people to see that there is a horrible pastoral situation at FMC and the Bishop is acting rightly (and not in violation of SP).”


27 posted on 03/04/2014 6:40:39 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: iowamark

When does “a horrible pastoral situation” ever warrant using the TLM as a weapon?


28 posted on 03/04/2014 6:43:59 AM PST by piusv
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To: iowamark

I figured as much. Thank you. The truth is always the best thing for our hearts.


29 posted on 03/04/2014 7:54:55 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: piusv
When does “a horrible pastoral situation” ever warrant using the TLM as a weapon

It's a terrible precedent, regardless of the peripheral issues (of which we have only heard one man's opinion). It would be nice to hear Dr. King's side and view the financials. The letter from the bishop which effectively stripped the students of their daily TLM is clearly unpastoral on its face. And one wonders why a professor would accept a job teaching at a school which openly welcomes Novus Ordo, SSPX and everything in between and later label the same place a danger to his soul. Hopefully the truth will at some point be revealed.

30 posted on 03/04/2014 8:56:46 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: irishjuggler; iowamark; piusv; Mrs. Don-o; RitaOK; Dr. Sivana; BlatherNaut; pbear8; Salvation
Yet another update, courtesy of Dr. Taylor Marshall (former chancellor of FMC):

Regarding Fisher More College and what you're reading in Rorate Caeli:

Now that the Bishop of Fort Worth has weighed in (and is now being maligned), after much prayer, I feel that I should break the silence.

First off, I love the students at Fisher More College (FMC). I love them so much. It was heartbreaking for me to leave FMC. Last summer (2013) was very difficult for me. I also love the Latin Mass and write about it often on my blog and talk about it publicly (my family belongs to a FSSP parish – Mater Dei parish in Irving, Texas).

For the record, I resigned as Chancellor of the College at the beginning of June of 2013—only days after our seventh baby was born. I had no job prospects and no income. I did it for the sake of conscience. I felt it would be a danger to my soul to remain at Fisher More College.

I resigned when moral, theological, and financial discrepancies came to light regarding the presidency of Michael King. I was an ex officio member of the Board so I knew what others did not. From May to early June of 2013, five of the eight College Board Members also resigned for two reasons:

1) Mr. King refused to disassociate himself from the public statements of faculty member Dr. Dudley that claimed in his Year of Faith lecture that Catholic professors have the duty to teach young people that Vatican 2 is not a valid Council (he also endorsed other “resistance” positions regarding the Novus Ordo, John Paul II, etc.)

2) Mr. King, after selling the original FMC campus to Texas Christian University for millions of dollars, had imprudently entered into a real estate deal that financially crippled Fisher More College.

Much of the politicization around the “Latin Mass and FMC” is Mr. King’s careful attempt to distract attention away from his financial misdealing at FMC. The college is currently teetering on bankruptcy and this latest entanglement with the bishop will lead to a public statement: “Fisher More closed down because the new bishop of Fort Worth persecuted the Latin Mass!” when in reality the College is failing because Mr. King entered into a dubious real estate deal that washed out college’s endowment AND all the proceeds from the sale of the original campus.

How did a College sell its extremely valuable campus to TCU for several millions dollars in 2012 only to announce at Christmas 2013 that it might be closing without an immediate fund raising campaign through Rorate Caeli?

Rorate Caeli has just released their sensational “exclusive” report on how the new Bishop of Fort Worth is persecuting the traditional Latin Mass in the person of Michael King. They included the (private) letter of Bishop Olson to Michael King and offered their speculation.

This controversy created by Rorate Caeli with the help of Michael King’s letter is not about the Latin Mass or Summorum Pontificum.*

FMC hosted a public repudiation of Vatican 2 and the Ordinary Form of the Mass in April of 2013 that was so offensive that my wife and I walked out of it before it’s conclusion. That did not do much to heal the breach with the local diocese or presbyterate and it contributed to the priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP) discontinuing their support and presence at FMC. The current FMC website advertises that the FSSP provides a chaplain, but this is not true.

At the same time, Michael King estranged himself from the diocese of Fort Worth by not allowing the Ordinary Form (as stipulated by the previous ordinary Bishop Vann of Fort Worth). He also contracted an irregular/suspended priest without faculties, and hired “trad resistance” faculty while there was no bishop in Fort Worth to check these developments. Mr. King was able to create a community in his image (he affectionately referred to himself the “father” of this community) during the episcopal inter-regnum of the diocese of Fort Worth.

Clearly, a bishop's intervention was inevitable. The current controversy really has nothing to do with the Latin Mass per se. The Latin Mass is at the center because Michael King is politicizing the Latin Mass in his favor, knowing that “bishops vs the Latin Mass” is red meat for some traditionalist blogs.

Bishop Olson says in the letter that he is doing this for Michael King's "soul." The bishop understands that this is a personal intervention – and not an attack on Fisher More College or its students or the Latin Mass.

It's a serious pastoral problem. Mr. King no doubt leaked Bp Olson’s letter via one of his few supporters to build sympathy before the inevitable financial collapse that will expose his mishandling of Fisher More College. Mr. King, more than anything, would like to blame the inevitable collapse of FMC (within only weeks or months) on the bishop’s “persecution of the Latin Mass.”

Hold your peace. Watch for how it unfolds, and most of all pray for the students that are still dutifully studying and praying. There are some GREAT students at Fisher More College.

As one who loves and prays the Latin Mass, please don’t curse or blame Bishop Olson for this one. He is a new bishop who inherited a TOUGH pastoral problem. Pray for him. And if you love the Latin Mass, don’t be so quick to judge the bishops or cite canon law. Sometimes there are things behind the scenes that you don’t know.

1 Cor 11:1-2 If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

*Regarding Summorum Pontificum in this situation. It doesn’t apply here since the college chapel does not have a priest requesting to say the Latin Mass and the chapel therefore falls under the direct pastoral control of the bishop. It’s the case of a layman (Michael King) asking for it. Those accusing Bishop Olson of breaking canon law or despising Summorum Pontificum should be more careful. Moreover, be assured that Bishop Olson supports the FSSP in his diocese and has nothing against the Extraordinary Form.

BTW, I'm just trying to push info out on this issue...I do not pretend to have first-hand info

31 posted on 03/04/2014 10:15:20 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

Just finished reading this on FB, cannot say I am surprised since Dr TM would not leave without good reason. I was hoping that he would speak out.


32 posted on 03/04/2014 10:24:53 AM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: markomalley

comment at:

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/03/fr-zs-first-reaction-to-bp-olson-banning-extraordinary-form-at-fort-worths-fisher-more-college/
“” lindarobinson says:
3 March 2014 at 3:01 pm
Dear Father et al,

Some have suggested that this was a hasty action on the part of a new bishop. In fact, the episcopacy in Ft. Worth had been vacant for quite a while (more than a year, I believe) and the apostolic administrator had been quietly accumulating a dossier on Fisher More and Michael King. I was myself an employee of the college until I could remain no longer on grounds of conscience. My friends who remained employed there have given me a lot of information over the eight months since I resigned and so I have a good idea concerning the information that is in the dossier; it’s not pretty stuff. In fact, rather than being shocked at the stern tone of the letter, I congratulate the bishop on his gentlemanly restraint.

Also, I find it amusing that so many are citing Canon Law on SP; does anyone really suppose that Bishop Olson has no canon lawyers of his own? I’m sure he knew that liturgical ideologues would crucify him in the blogsphere once the fact of his disciplinary action was public; isn’t it quite likely that he consulted with his own canonists before he took action? Thank God he drew courage from the graces of his office and did the right thing.

Those who love the EF should understand that the EF is being used, as were good priests and people, for bad ends.

Many, many, good Catholics have been devastated by Fisher More College — good Catholics who love the EF. They have all borne their crosses in silence, trying to avoid scandal. Whoever sent the Bishop’s letter to Rorate Caeli unleashed a sickening firestorm of slander and hysteria against Bishop Olson and the people who have been quiet are now in a position of having to speak out lest they become an accessory to sin. Catholic World Report is preparing an in depth report as we speak; I urge everyone to wait for the article and give Bishop Olson the benefit of any doubt, both now and after the article is made public.

Linda Robinson””


33 posted on 03/04/2014 11:27:31 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: markomalley

I am especially grateful for Dr. Marshall coming forward to lay context to the sad conditions unfolding at FMC. His experience based on the facts as he saw them has “wised me up”, because certainly I am one who has become wounded by the never ending dismissal of Summorum Pontificum in the US; the endless waiting for bishops and priests to comply with it, and the marginalizing of anyone who longs for the Extraordinary Form to be restored to its rightful place within the context of Vatican II. I really appreciate your post. Thx, Rita


34 posted on 03/04/2014 11:35:55 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Salvation
Father Gruner is undoubtedly among the top 0.0001% in qualification to celebrate the Tridentine Mass.

Our diocese Latin Mass priest brings Fr. Gruner's literature to Mass and I look forward to seeing it.

Amazing that the mainstream church holds certain unsuspended but unCatholic American bishops in higher esteem.

35 posted on 03/04/2014 11:40:21 AM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

I find it hard to believe that Jesus keeps a little book to look up who has “jurisdiction” and who doesn’t.


36 posted on 03/04/2014 11:47:57 AM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: markomalley; All
“It is what it is”—Fort Worth Diocese Clarifies Bishop Olson’s Ban on Traditional Latin Mass at Fisher More College"

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/323-it-is-what-it-is-fort-worth-diocese-clarifies-bishop-olson-s-ban-on-traditional-latin-mass-at-fisher-more-college

37 posted on 03/04/2014 11:57:35 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: markomalley
FMC hosted a public repudiation of Vatican 2 and the Ordinary Form of the Mass

The more I read about FMC and Michael King the more I am impressed by them.

38 posted on 03/04/2014 12:22:25 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: markomalley
"First Things First: It's not about specific persons, it's about the principle - and the grave precedent"

"...Then, and most importantly, the whole coetus has to be heard - otherwise, this can be a cause for the suppression of a Mass at any time and in ANY place, including yours (yes, pay attention, including yours), if you go regularly to a Traditional Mass. That is, just one or a couple of individuals can cause the end of the Mass for any group - and I am sure you can see the grave danger in this, right? No group of Catholics must live under this kind of terror, the sword of Damocles hanging over their heads because there might be "bad apples" in the group, and always in fear of an immediate suppression of their Mass. What is the Church, a totalitarian state in which the faithful live under permanent terror of a true or false accusation that can bring the shutdown of their Mass at any moment for allegations against individual members of the whole coetus? Is it only the very minoritarian faithful attached to the Extraordinary Form who must live under this regime of liturgical terror? There is no Ordinary Form Mass shutdown for the many, many errors, heresies, schismatic notions, grave liturgical abuses being spread out openly in many regular parish churches, and university campuses and chapels? No, there are rightful procedures in Canon Law to identify apostates, schismatics, heretics, whatever may be the rite, form or usage they adhere to, providing them with the right to be heard, to defend themselves and their views, and to repent. And, even if individuals are rightfully convicted, the innocent members of the coetus must be spared.

No, we cannot remain silent because we must breathe. We will not allow ourselves to be suffocated after Summorum Pontificum by dangerous precedents. Once sacred, always sacred, said Benedict - and always free.

_________________________________ Update. After posting, we received the following sad e-mail message from an old reader of ours in a region of the world we cannot make public at the moment: "Subject: The trickling down effect is also happening here. A traditional mass in X [Rorate: name of region redacted] has also been banned regardless of the motu proprio. At this moment we cannot give details because we are trying to solve the problem with the authorities. We have decided not to go public with the details yet and I ask you to please keep it that way but I will keep you informed and will give you all the facts as things unfold, especially if our efforts are unsuccessful."

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/03/first-things-first-its-not-about.html

39 posted on 03/04/2014 1:26:11 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

It’s only just begun.....


40 posted on 03/04/2014 3:13:50 PM PST by piusv
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To: markomalley

Sounds like sour grapes from a late convert who wanted things his own way or no way. What does a financial transaction have to do with the offering of the TLM? I’m glad Mr. King replaced people like Mr. Marsh.

>>He also contracted an irregular/suspended priest without faculties,..<<

In the above, he appears to be exaggerating about Fr. Gruner, who neither offered Mass or heard confessions.

Good riddens to Mr. Marshall; if he’s still looking for a job let him go back to his media outlets like EWTN, the Network Gone Wild. The school is better off without him.


41 posted on 03/04/2014 4:35:32 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: markomalley

>>Moreover, be assured that Bishop Olson supports the FSSP in his diocese and has nothing against the Extraordinary Form.<<

Another exaggeration. The FSSP priests come from the Diocese of Dallas, not the Diocese of Ft. Worth. As a matter a fact, many of the FMC students are children of the parishioners who attend Mater Dei Church, in Dallas, which is serviced by the FSSP and offers only the TLM. These parents are not at all pleased with Bishop Olson’s brutality against their children.


42 posted on 03/04/2014 4:50:35 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
What does a financial transaction have to do with the offering of the TLM? I’m glad Mr. King replaced people like Mr. Marsh.

Was the financial transaction related to an expansion plan? Why does Taylor Marshall find it necessary to leak partial info in order to justify the bishop's horrendous letter forbidding the TLM? Is he a "professional Catholic" who must always loudly agree with the bishop whether he is right or wrong?

43 posted on 03/04/2014 6:33:52 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

Oh! Check out his website; he’s about as much of a “professional catholic” as Scott Hahn and his ilk are.


44 posted on 03/04/2014 7:04:34 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: steve86; markomalley; BlatherNaut; piusv

>>Suppose the wretched Franciscans of the Immaculate are as bad as their critics claim; suppose the wretched Michael King, President of Fisher More College, is as bad as his critics claim. For heaven’s sake don’t deprive them of this spiritual solace, of the Traditional Mass. It is cruel, it is unjust, and it will make whatever theological or political problems there may be much, much worse.<<

http://www.lmschairman.org/2014/03/is-ef-dangerous-to-souls.ht>>


45 posted on 03/04/2014 7:33:11 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Oh! Check out his website; he’s about as much of a “professional catholic” as Scott Hahn and his ilk are.

Yes, I see what you mean. Smiling picture of Himself, ads for his books, sweeping characterizations of traditional Catholics, open contempt for the Rorate Caeli blog... Seems like his facebook comments re FMC might be best taken with a grain of salt.

46 posted on 03/05/2014 7:50:51 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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