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Can a Baby Conceived by Rape Be Aborted? Megachurch Pastor Chris Oyakhilome's Response Sparks Debate
Christian Post ^ | 03/06/2014 | Nicola Menzie

Posted on 03/06/2014 9:14:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Chris Oyakhilome, charismatic pastor of 30,000-member Christ Embassy church in Lagos, Nigeria, has sparked an online debate after insisting that it is "never mentioned anywhere in the Bible to keep a child from a woman who was raped!"

Christ Embassy Naples in Italy shared on its Facebook page remarks reportedly made by Pastor Oyakhilome during a question-and-answer segment during a church service on Sunday, March 2.

Considering the question, "Can a baby that is a product of rape be aborted?" Oyakhilome was said to have responded:

"No child should be brought into this world by force, if a lady has been raped, it is left for her to make a decision of whether to keep the baby or not. If you have never been raped or someone close to you haven't [sic], you may not agree with this statement.

"It is never mentioned anywhere in the Bible, to keep a child from a woman who was raped!"

Vanguardngr.com, the popular online portal of the Nigeria daily newspaper, reports that Pastor Oyakhilome's comments have been trending on Facebook after various responses were posted online "swinging in and out of his favor."

Among the nearly-200 responses to the news item were comments from Nigerians expressing disagreement with the Christ Embassy founder, usually referred to as "Pastor Chris," that the Bible was silent on victims of rape who conceived having to keep the baby.

"If really Pastor Chris made such [a] response, then it's just unfortunate. The Bible is clear on murder — abortion irrespective of how the pregnancy came about is a murder," wrote Fred Otone Olomuro.

"Wicked as rape may be, it CANNOT be a valid ground for abortion. Beware of human rationalisation. If we accept this, I can assure you that there will be a sea of human reasons why we will be committing murder in the name of abortion," added another commenter named Valentine.

There were others, like Stanley Chukwu, who agreed with Pastor Oyakhilome's assessment.

"It is perfectly the best thing to do. Pastor Chris is absolutely right, keeping a baby conceived out of rape is morally reprehensible," wrote Chukwu.

Another commenter, perhaps speaking from personal experience, said she "totally agreed with Pastor Chris," and added, "If you are not been rape(d), shut up your mouth."

Although the Bible does not specifically address the issue of abortion, the intentional termination of a pregnancy, Christians, which amount to 40 percent of Nigeria's population, often cite passages like Jeremiah 1:5, Psalm 139:13-16, and Exodus 21:22-25 to argue against the act, even in cases of rape. The Roman Catholic Church, which claims nearly 19 million adherents among Nigeria's 168 million residents, also cites passages like Jeremiah 1:5 and Psalm 139:15 in its doctrinal position on abortion as a "moral evil" in all cases when a life has formed.

In Nigeria, ranked as the second-most religious country on WIN-Gallup International's "Religion and Atheism Index," abortion is only legal when the mother's health is threatened. The Guttmacher Institute, which reported in 2004 that rape accounts for 1 percent of all abortions in the U.S., also revealed in a 2008 study that there are at least 760,000 abortions carried out yearly in Nigeria, most of them illegal and resulting in the deaths of thousands of women.

Pastor Oyakhilome, whose Christ Embassy is ranked as Africa's 10th largest church by the Leadership Network, is considered controversial due to his prosperity teachings and faith-healing claims. The Nigerian minister was compared to a "false prophet" and a "charlatan" in a 2012 opinion post by journalist and author J. Lee Grady. Grady cited Oyakhilome's ministry's alleged "cult"practices, gnostic-like "New Creation" theology and connections to T.B. Joshua, another popular and controversial Nigerian minister and self-declared prophet.

According to Grady, "Oyakhilome already has 16 churches in the U.S., mostly attracting African immigrants in cities such as Dallas, Houston, Washington, D.C., and Atlanta. He has 39 churches in the United Kingdom (where many Nigerians live) and 18 in Canada, and his daily devotional books called Rhapsody of Realities are supposedly available in 70 languages."


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; megachurch; rape
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1 posted on 03/06/2014 9:14:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It seems good that there is a vibrant and large Chistian community there to have this debate.


2 posted on 03/06/2014 9:17:45 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: SeekAndFind

Why does the baby have to pay the ultimate price for the sin of its father?


3 posted on 03/06/2014 9:18:01 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: SeekAndFind

In this day and age, when it is well known that taking a large dose of birth control pills AFTER unprotected sex will prevent pregnancy, how can anyone get an unwanted pregnancy?

Why isn’t it prescribed immediately for rape victimes (who WANT it)?

Abortion should be the single most unnecessary medical procedure, when it is known how to prevent pregnancy (even AFTER unprotected sex)


4 posted on 03/06/2014 9:19:27 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

“Can a baby that is a product of rape be aborted?”

Of course — They are killing the babies that were not the product of rape....so, why not babies from rape.

The left just doesn’t care — There is no sanctity of life to them. The left will save a shelter full of puppies long before the left will get upset over the death of the most vulnerable unborn.


5 posted on 03/06/2014 9:19:30 AM PST by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: SeekAndFind

Depends on if it is rape, legitimate rape, or rape rape.

Seriously, what crime has the baby committed that it gets a death sentence?


6 posted on 03/06/2014 9:21:59 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: rjsimmon

You would make a woman walk around for 9 months pregnant and force her to raise a rapists child?

See my previous post- pregnancy is preventable AFTER unprotected sex and is probably the best option here. I could not tell a woman she has top spend the next 18 years raising a child she didnt want conceived by force.

I respect your opinion too, I am just saying I disagree


7 posted on 03/06/2014 9:21:59 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: SeekAndFind
if a lady has been raped, it is left for her to make a decision of whether to keep the baby or not.

I hope this guy's church crashes and burns. He's no Christian.

8 posted on 03/06/2014 9:23:38 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: rjsimmon

Why Abort it? They should profit from it. Let it be born and make it a slave. Or let it grow to maturity, then kill it to harvest its organs. I mean, it’s just the offspring of a rapist. The Bible never says we can’t harvest the organs of a rapist’s offspring.


9 posted on 03/06/2014 9:24:11 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Didache: The Teachings of the 12 Apostles

“The second commandment of the teaching: You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not seduce boys. You shall not commit fornication. You shall not steal. You shall not practice magic. You shall not use potions. You shall not procure [an] abortion, nor destroy a newborn child” (Didache 2:1–2 [A.D. 70]).

This pastor is providing a clean example of the shortcomings of sola scriptura.


10 posted on 03/06/2014 9:26:03 AM PST by Fishface (teach a man to fish...he eats for a lifetime.)
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To: Mr. K

Pregnancy is not preventable after sex.
Successful gestation is preventable.

Pessaries are prohibited under the Hippocratic oath.


11 posted on 03/06/2014 9:26:33 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Interesting.

Clearly, conception following rape is a most difficult thing, but if life begins the moment of conception then are there exceptions to terminating innocent life?

Are there times when it is justified to terminate (kill) the life an innocent bystander?

I cannot apply Christian standards upon the non-Christian, but, and I say this carefully and in humility, that our lives are not our own and our life is not all about us (me).

Is God sovereign, or is He not sovereign? If He is sovereign then everything is in His hands and He is aware of every detail of our lives, right down to the number of hairs on our head.

It is a difficult issue, but I think the greater difficulty comes when we try to squeeze into play Christian values onto a non-Christian person. Those who do not know Jesus are completely isolated from Christ and all that means.

12 posted on 03/06/2014 9:27:16 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Fishface

RE: This pastor is providing a clean example of the shortcomings of sola scriptura.

You just quoted the Didache. Where in the above quote are the scriptures silent on?


13 posted on 03/06/2014 9:29:24 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
There is a scene in the movie quest for fire that I think sheds some light on this difficult topic.

In the end I think we will have to conclude a child is a gift from god whether he or she is the product of rape or not.

14 posted on 03/06/2014 9:29:31 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: demshateGod

RE: . Let it be born and make it a slave.

Why is that the only option? have you ever considered the hundreds of thousands wanting to adopt a child?

See here:

http://statistics.adoption.com/information/adoption-statistics-hoping-to-adopt.html


15 posted on 03/06/2014 9:32:09 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Mr. K
"and force her to raise a rapists child?

I believe there is an alternative. It's called "adoption".

16 posted on 03/06/2014 9:32:19 AM PST by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: Fishface

“It is perfectly the best thing to do. Pastor Chris is absolutely right, keeping a baby conceived out of rape is morally reprehensible,”

This person is a Christian? Where do we begin with a person who could say and/or think this?

“Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.”

God creates human life.


17 posted on 03/06/2014 9:33:51 AM PST by Fishface (teach a man to fish...he eats for a lifetime.)
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To: Mr. K

That doesn’t prevent conception. What you describe is a chemical abortion.

“it” is a baby, a defenseless human being with a soul and all the right to live that you or I have.


18 posted on 03/06/2014 9:33:57 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Fishface

Sola scripture has nothing to do with it.


19 posted on 03/06/2014 9:34:47 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is this pastor not using the Doctrine of Sola Scriptura to defend aborting a child?

He can’t find it in the Bible so it is “perfectly acceptable.”

Do Protestants consider the Didache: Sacred Scripture?


20 posted on 03/06/2014 9:36:36 AM PST by Fishface (teach a man to fish...he eats for a lifetime.)
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To: precisionshootist

“In the end I think we will have to conclude a child is a gift from god whether he or she is the product of rape or not.”

A great many victims of rape have conceived a child, and have chosen to nurture and sustain it’s life, and to love it. May God bless them.
Pro-choice is a morally neutral term, its objective consequence depending entirely on the nature of the act that is chosen. Advocates of legal abortion abuse it to shield their evil intent.


21 posted on 03/06/2014 9:38:29 AM PST by Elsiejay (in)
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To: driftdiver

“It is never mentioned anywhere in the Bible, to keep a child from a woman who was raped!”

Sola Scriptura.


22 posted on 03/06/2014 9:38:51 AM PST by Fishface (teach a man to fish...he eats for a lifetime.)
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To: Fishface

More nonsense.

You’re using an obvious false teacher of God’s word to attack followers of Christmas. Shame on you.


23 posted on 03/06/2014 9:39:54 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Fishface

Nonsense,

Heretic


24 posted on 03/06/2014 9:40:40 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Abortion is not an eraser.

Ever.


25 posted on 03/06/2014 9:41:36 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Mr. K

“You would make a woman walk around for 9 months pregnant and force her to raise a rapists child?”

First, you would murder the innocent baby because the baby’s father was a rapist?

Second, no one is telling a “woman she has to spend the next 18 years raising a child she didnt want.” She can place for adoption. . .the innocent baby lives, a loving family has a child and the biological mother knows she is not a murderer.


26 posted on 03/06/2014 9:42:39 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Fishface

RE: Do Protestants consider the Didache: Sacred Scripture?

Based on my conversations with Protestant Scholars, they consider the Didache a good SUMMARY of what Scripture teaches.


27 posted on 03/06/2014 9:45:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I was hoping my sarcasm wouldn’t need a tag.


28 posted on 03/06/2014 9:46:31 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: rjsimmon

“Why does the baby have to pay the ultimate price for the sin of its father?”

As a man and someone who will never be in this predicament, It’s hard to know the right answer to this. However, consider this:

In cases where the rape involved a physical assault, clearly the woman is justified in taking the life of the rapist to prevent the rape. If the woman is raped and conceives the child of the rapist, is the pregnancy not a continuation of the assault? One could argue that it is, since he left part of himself inside of her and it is growing as the cells divide.

That said, why would she NOT have a right to terminate the assault using deadly force?

I specifically said a physical assault. There are many kinds of rape.


29 posted on 03/06/2014 9:48:49 AM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: driftdiver

My point is simply that relying solely on Sacred Scripture opens up these challenges based on rationalization and justification.

In order to defend what you think is obvious Christian teaching on abortion, you are forced to rely on Christian Tradition and Teaching found in sources other than Sacred Scripture.


30 posted on 03/06/2014 9:49:19 AM PST by Fishface (teach a man to fish...he eats for a lifetime.)
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To: Fishface

If a person will not obey scripture, what makes you think he will obey what Christian Tradition teaches?


31 posted on 03/06/2014 9:52:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: babygene

Interesting thought, but consider the implication. . .using your logic, the child can be killed post-birth because the child is the result of an ongoing assault. Sins of the father onto the son kind of thing.


32 posted on 03/06/2014 9:52:40 AM PST by Hulka
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To: SeekAndFind

“have you ever considered the hundreds of thousands wanting to adopt a child?”

Very few people (including blacks) will adopt a black baby.


33 posted on 03/06/2014 9:53:28 AM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Fishface

No need to rely on tradition. God has commanded us to not murder.

Pretty simple. Unless of course a person seeks to use it as disinformation to attack followers of Christ.


34 posted on 03/06/2014 9:54:21 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Mr. K

You would kill a defenseless baby?


35 posted on 03/06/2014 9:55:22 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: babygene
If the woman is raped and conceives the child of the rapist, is the pregnancy not a continuation of the assault?

No.

One could argue that it is, since he left part of himself inside of her and it is growing as the cells divide.

Once again, No.

The child is not the father, it is not the mother, it is it's self. The baby is not a clone even if it was it is not "him" but it's self.

Genetic guilt is a superstition that should be discarded.

This is the same argument that a woman has the right to abort because the child is her. It is morally and scientifically wrong.

36 posted on 03/06/2014 9:57:35 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Pecos

Agreed. It’s a hard thing, but adding murder to rape doesn’t make it easier. That child has done nothing wrong. That child is the neighbor we’re supposed to love as ourselves. There are waiting lists for adoption.


37 posted on 03/06/2014 9:58:55 AM PST by afsnco
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To: Hulka

“using your logic, the child can be killed post-birth because the child is the result of an ongoing assault”

Nope, once the child is born the assault has ended. The woman would also not be justified in killing the rapist after the fact.


38 posted on 03/06/2014 10:00:48 AM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess that is my point, this pastor is obeying Scripture.

He is using it to defend his position. What can any Protestant do to stop him? He is using Scripture to formulate his “Christian” teaching. Sure, they will scoff at him and call him names, but they are missing the point. According to him, he is obeying Scripture.

This is the problem with Sola Scriptura and why we have so many Protestant Denominations, each teaching whatever they read or don’t read in Scripture.

Surely, this isn’t what Christ intended for his Church. There has to be an Authority here on earth to preserve, protect and provide the True Teachings of Christ to each and every generation. This Authority can only come from Apostolic succession. Otherwise, the True Teachings of Christ will continue to be distorted by subjective interpretation.


39 posted on 03/06/2014 10:01:13 AM PST by Fishface (teach a man to fish...he eats for a lifetime.)
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To: driftdiver

yes I love killing defenselss babies!!

idiot


40 posted on 03/06/2014 10:01:13 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

You have a right to your opinion I suppose...


41 posted on 03/06/2014 10:03:06 AM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: SeekAndFind

That is a stretch.


42 posted on 03/06/2014 10:03:51 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: babygene

Perhaps. . .but I do not agree. The baby’s mere existance would be an on-going “assault” even if the woman placed the child for adoption.


43 posted on 03/06/2014 10:03:59 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka

RE: The baby’s mere existance would be an on-going “assault” even if the woman placed the child for adoption.

So the solution to this ongoing “assault” is to kill the baby? How does murdering an innocent person terminate the assault?


44 posted on 03/06/2014 10:06:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Mr. K

To be fair, you may not “love killing defenseless babies” but you do argue that as a course of action.


45 posted on 03/06/2014 10:07:43 AM PST by Hulka
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To: SeekAndFind

Please read the posts between me and babygene to understand what I am saying. I am not saying what you think I am.


46 posted on 03/06/2014 10:09:55 AM PST by Hulka
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To: SeekAndFind

“How does murdering an innocent person terminate the assault?”

It is the rapist’s DNA which he left inside of her by force. It is certainly homicide to take the life of the child, however homicide is not always murder. Ever heard of self defense?


47 posted on 03/06/2014 10:10:45 AM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I thank God everyday that my wife’s birth mother gave her up for adoption, than choosing to abort her. Her birth mother was raped by her step father.


48 posted on 03/06/2014 10:12:06 AM PST by mothball
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To: Hulka

There are many natural ways an egg does not implant inside a uterus, ‘The Pill’ just does this same thing.

If every sex enounter where an egg was fertilized was successfully implanted and grew, our population would be enormous.

I DONT LIKE that this even has to be done, but it merely brings upon a normal menstrual period for a woman, who may not want (as another poster put it) to allow herself to continue to be assaulted


49 posted on 03/06/2014 10:12:40 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems like any idiot with a clean suit can become a mega pastor these days.


50 posted on 03/06/2014 10:15:18 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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