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REALLY, CATHOLICS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE POPE'S INTERVIEW?
Southern Orders ^ | March 6, 2014 | Fr. Allan J. McDonald

Posted on 03/06/2014 1:58:27 PM PST by NYer

It continues to amaze me how some Catholics (not all) and usually supposedly traditional Catholics, continue to nitpick what Pope Francis says and are as manipulative of what he says as the progressive media that does the same thing.

This is what the Pope said about true marriage and civil unions yestersday:

Marriage is between a man and a woman. Secular states want to justify civil unions to regulate different situations of cohabitation, pushed by the demand to regulate economic aspects between persons, such as ensuring health care. It is about pacts of cohabitating of various natures, of which I wouldn’t know how to list the different ways. One needs to see the different cases and evaluate them in their variety.

MY COMMENTS:

First the Holy Father makes clear that marriage is between a man and woman! Duh! But he knows the question is posed to him because there is great confusion in society today from those who are trying to redefine that which is already definitively defined and cannot be changed.

Then he says that secular states want to justify civil unions to regulate different situations of cohabitation, pushed by the demand to regulate economic aspects between persons, such as ensuring health care. (And yes, this is part of the states responsibility, but this is far from the Pope endorsing cohabitation in the sense of a sexual relationship. And he acknowledges that there are many forms of cohabitation--a single son with an elderly mother and he cares for as a son cares for a mother. Can cohabitation have the same civil protection economically in terms of health benefits, social security and the like? It is not a sexual union or cohabitation.)

Keep in mind, that the Church is opposed to legal divorce. In Italy the Church fought tooth and nail to prevent legal divorces. Was this good? My Italian mother and Canadian father, both conservative Catholics told me no!

The problem in Italy prior the the Council was that men would leave their wives and children and cohabitate with another woman. He became a deadbeat dad, did not support his wife or children because the legal aspects of the separation had not been addressed in a court of law for the protection of persons, children and property.

Civil divorce protects the parties who are divorcing and their children and possessions. It is the duty of the state to do this and enforce it. Not the Church.  The Church can only state that the civil union of divorced and remarried Catholics is not recognized by the  Church and that the initial marriage is the valid one until proven otherwise in an ecclesiastical court of law. 

So the Church, in terms of divorce and remarried couples, acknowledges today (not in the past) the need for civil unions to be regulated by the state to protect people and their civil rights. The Church does not acknowledge these civil unions as marriage and in fact says there is a public sin involved which prevents these couples from receiving Holy Communion if the union is sexual in nature, rather than fraternal.


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1 posted on 03/06/2014 1:58:27 PM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
In response to a comment, Father sums it up quite well.

These are legal matters, with some moral obligations. The church doesn't make civil law, but she has to recognize that civil law is meant to protect citizens.

Ping!

2 posted on 03/06/2014 1:59:43 PM PST by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Thank you for posting this.

I was getting worried.


3 posted on 03/06/2014 2:17:39 PM PST by NoLibZone (The bad news: Hillary Clinton will be the next President. The Good news: Our principles are intact.)
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To: All
It continues to amaze me how some Catholics (not all) and usually supposedly traditional Catholics, continue to nitpick what Pope Francis says and are as manipulative of what he says as the progressive media that does the same thing.

Birds of a feather and all that.

IB4TPWMA

4 posted on 03/06/2014 2:25:32 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: NYer

FROM

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/life-and-family/marriage/cohabitation-and-churchs-teaching/

Cohabitation and Church’s Teaching

Living Together: Questions and Answers Regarding Cohabitation and the Church’s Moral Teaching

The Bishops of Pennsylvania

1. What is cohabitation?
“Cohabitation” is commonly referred to as “living together.” It describes the relationship of a man and woman who are sexually active and share a household, though they are not married.

LIVE LIKE BROTHER TO BROTHER OR SISTER TO SISTER...NO SEX


5 posted on 03/06/2014 2:28:55 PM PST by franky8 (For the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: FourtySeven; Brian Kopp DPM; piusv; irishjuggler; tomsbartoo; Heart-Rest; yvette
This post is sourced to a "traditional Catholic" priest .. not CNN or the New York Times or any other secular media. What disturbs me most about certain catholic freepers, is their nitpicking every word spoken by Pope Francis and their willingness to, not only accept, but also believe secular media reporting because it supports their distrust for this pope. It is even more disheartening to witness this shameless display at the opening of Lent, a season for repentance, self-denial and prayer in preparation for Easter. As catholics, you know full well the promise made by our Lord, that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church. In distrusting the pope, you demonstrate a distrust for Christ's promise.

We have enough problems battling secularism, narcissism, relativism and all the other "isms". The Catholic Church is under attack from every direction. The Holy Father has addressed a Letter to Families, asking for their prayers. Here is an opportunity to devote the next 39 days, as a family, to pray for Pope Francis. It is also a good time to examine and resolve the motives that drive your distrust for him. I wish you all a Blessed Lent.

6 posted on 03/06/2014 2:43:51 PM PST by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NoLibZone

I have experienced some concern with our new Pope, but it still appears that he is trying to speak in neutral, conciliatory tones. That’s fine, as long as he doesn’t betray the Churches fundamental beliefs.


7 posted on 03/06/2014 2:47:32 PM PST by catbertz
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To: NYer

Every year at lent and advent the secular media tries to find ways to stir the pot and get Catholics and other Christians all jacked up over nothing.


8 posted on 03/06/2014 3:32:08 PM PST by verga
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To: NYer

**First the Holy Father makes clear that marriage is between a man and woman! Duh! **Hooray for Pope Francis!


9 posted on 03/06/2014 3:51:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer; metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear; daniel1212; Gamecock; Alex Murphy

I am so glad for Pope Francis he has the FR RF in his hip pocket making sure he is ‘clearly understood.’ If it was not for you and a few more posters, this Pope would just be judged on what he actually says and not what others say he actually says.

Now if you have a few minutes, perhaps you can post on the thread to defend the Pope lifting a rosary in a casket from a deceased priest. The apologetics for casket ‘lifting’ should be interesting.


10 posted on 03/06/2014 4:11:59 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter
I am so glad for Pope Francis he has the FR RF in his hip pocket making sure he is ‘clearly understood.’ If it was not for you and a few more posters, this Pope would just be judged on what he actually says and not what others say he actually says.

Hey, they've had plenty of practice with the *It doesn't mean what it says, it means what we say it means* meme.

They've been using it with Scripture for centuries.

11 posted on 03/06/2014 4:20:05 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: verga

Every year at lent and advent the secular media tries to find ways to stir the pot and get Catholics and other Christians all jacked up over nothing.

&&&
You are so right. And they love to twist every word that the Holy Father utters.


12 posted on 03/06/2014 4:36:10 PM PST by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: NYer

Thank you for posting this.


13 posted on 03/06/2014 4:38:02 PM PST by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: NYer
In distrusting the pope, you demonstrate a distrust for Christ's promise.

In the spirit of Lent, I will forgive you for this very ignorant and malicious statement.

14 posted on 03/06/2014 4:39:11 PM PST by piusv
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To: NYer
We have enough problems battling secularism, narcissism, relativism and all the other "isms".

Don't forget Modernism....in the Church.

15 posted on 03/06/2014 4:41:42 PM PST by piusv
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To: redleghunter; metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear; daniel1212; Gamecock; Alex Murphy
Now if you have a few minutes, perhaps you can post on the thread to defend the Pope lifting a rosary in a casket from a deceased priest.

Another example of a lie posted to distort the truth. First of all, let's begin with facts. He removed only the crucifix from the rosary and now wears it in a pouch next to his heart. Let's revisit the event.

Francis made the revelation Thursday during an informal chat with Roman priests about the need to be merciful to their flocks. He told the story of the "great confessor" of Buenos Aires who had heard confessions from most of the diocesan priests as well as from Pope John Paul II when he visited Argentina.

When the priest died, Francis went to pray by his open casket and was stunned that no one had brought any flowers.

`'This man forgave the sins of all the priests of Buenos Aires, but not a single flower ...?" Francis recalled. So he went out and bought a bouquet of roses, and when he returned to arrange them around the casket, he saw the rosary the priest still held in his hand.

"And immediately there came to mind the thief we all have inside ourselves and while I arranged the flowers I took the cross and with just a bit of force I removed it," he said, showing with his hands how he pulled the cross off the rosary. "And in that moment I looked at him and I said `Give me half your mercy.'

The pope asked for half his mercy. He then went on to say:

"And whenever a bad thought comes to mind about someone, my hand goes here, always," he said, gesturing to his heart. "And I feel the grace, and that makes me feel better."

The priest is long dead but, through the cross from his rosary, the mercy he showed continues through the pope. To honor the memory of the deceased is wrong?

When my grandmother died, just before they closed the lid on her coffin, I took her rosary. During her life, she counted off prayers for friends and family on those beads. Today, I do the same and will now add you to my list.

16 posted on 03/06/2014 4:54:01 PM PST by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: Salvation

Yup. Hoooray. All the atheists are going to heaven and the muzzies and Christians all worship the same God, so says Fran.


17 posted on 03/06/2014 4:56:19 PM PST by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: NYer

Great post.


18 posted on 03/06/2014 4:57:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: redleghunter
I am so glad for Pope Francis he has the FR RF in his hip pocket making sure he is ‘clearly understood.’ If it was not for you and a few more posters, this Pope would just be judged on what he actually says and not what others say he actually says.

I'd prefer that this pope be judged on what he actually says, but none of the Catholic bloggers and their ilk are content to let that happen - "what the pope actually meant was", "the pope's words were mistranslated", etc is the "Catholic word of the day" every day for these people. It's called being a "public relations manager", and I'd swear that the Catholic Church must have invented it.

19 posted on 03/06/2014 4:57:18 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: RetiredArmy

Are you, too, a man who has served in the military and knows how to discern right from wrong, believing this media?


20 posted on 03/06/2014 4:58:58 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer; redleghunter; metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear; daniel1212; Gamecock
The priest is long dead but, through the cross from his rosary, the mercy he showed continues through the pope. To honor the memory of the deceased is wrong? When my grandmother died, just before they closed the lid on her coffin, I took her rosary.
Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
-- Romans 1:32

21 posted on 03/06/2014 4:59:55 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: NYer; redleghunter; metmom; boatbums; daniel1212; Gamecock; Alex Murphy
>>He removed only the crucifix from the rosary<<

Well!!! There you have it!!! It was only part of the rosary so all is fine!!!

Am I living in an alternate universe? These guys justify the Pope stealing because it was only a part? This is totally bizarre! One doesn’t know whether to laugh or cry. These people are justifying theft by the guy who they might rely on to speak for God!!

What happened to "thou shalt not steal"?

22 posted on 03/06/2014 5:23:21 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: NYer

The proper thing to do is to sort out the items before the person is laid out. Once the person is laid out what is in the casket remains in the casket. Anyone who has worked weekends in a funeral home knows that.


23 posted on 03/06/2014 5:27:43 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter
The proper thing to do is to sort out the items before the person is laid out. Once the person is laid out what is in the casket remains in the casket. Anyone who has worked weekends in a funeral home knows that.

Some people just view the casket as a piñata, I guess.

24 posted on 03/06/2014 5:29:31 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: CynicalBear

Well of course someone else who removes items from a casket is going to defend someone else who did it.

I suppose that the best that can be said is that the person is not a hypocrite.


25 posted on 03/06/2014 6:14:36 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

It’s gotten bizarre I’m telling ya.


26 posted on 03/06/2014 6:18:46 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: NYer
In distrusting the pope, you demonstrate a distrust for Christ's promise.

Did Christ promise there could never be a bad pope? I missed that. In fact, he couldn't have said it as it was falsified long ago.

The Bad Popes is a 1969 book by E. R. Chamberlin documenting the lives of eight of the most controversial popes (papal years in parentheses):

Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

And (we hope) Pope Francis is not on a par with any of these precedents, but he does have a way of letting the devil run wild with his verbal ambiguities and soft-on-sinfulness manner.

27 posted on 03/06/2014 6:25:15 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: NYer
When my grandmother died, just before they closed the lid on her coffin, I took her rosary.

That doesn't bother me she she was family but I think you are supposed to assign the effects beforehand.

28 posted on 03/06/2014 6:30:53 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: NYer

The haters are going to hate. You can tell who they are by the responses.


29 posted on 03/06/2014 7:00:32 PM PST by verga
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To: NYer
"This post is sourced to a "traditional Catholic" priest .. not CNN or the New York Times or any other secular media. What disturbs me most about certain catholic freepers, is their nitpicking every word spoken by Pope Francis and their willingness to, not only accept, but also believe secular media reporting because it supports their distrust for this pope. It is even more disheartening to witness this shameless display at the opening of Lent, a season for repentance, self-denial and prayer in preparation for Easter. As catholics, you know full well the promise made by our Lord, that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church. In distrusting the pope, you demonstrate a distrust for Christ's promise."

" We have enough problems battling secularism, narcissism, relativism and all the other "isms". The Catholic Church is under attack from every direction. The Holy Father has addressed a Letter to Families, asking for their prayers. Here is an opportunity to devote the next 39 days, as a family, to pray for Pope Francis. It is also a good time to examine and resolve the motives that drive your distrust for him. I wish you all a Blessed Lent."

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Hey, my friend, since your post #6 here was directed to a very small subset of your Catholic "Ping" list, and I happen to be on this small subset for this post #6 for some reason, I'm wondering if this post #6 you made here was directed at me because of some specific post I had made somewhere earlier with which you disagreed for some reason.    Is it (and, if so, could you please direct me to the post I made which triggered this directed response)?    Thanks.

30 posted on 03/06/2014 7:08:08 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Gal 6:7)
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To: verga

It’s not hating. I had various odd jobs as a young teen. One job was to deliver flowers to funeral homes and Catholic churches. I also helped my dad and his friend on high demand weekends at funeral homes and at the cemetery. I learned early the proper etiquette for mostly Catholic funerals and wakes. Did some Greek Orthodox and Jewish funerals as well given the demographics. I went through the proper handling of the deceased from bow to stern when one of my father’s fellow Knights of Columbus passed away. What goes in the casket stays in the casket...period.


31 posted on 03/06/2014 7:28:19 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: NYer
1)As catholics, you know full well the promise made by our Lord, that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church.

2) In distrusting the pope, you demonstrate a distrust for Christ's promise.

On 1) we are in full agreement. On 2) we'll just have to agree to disagree. As such, I won't judge you if you don't judge me, OK?

Because, "Who are [we] to judge?"

32 posted on 03/06/2014 7:38:41 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: redleghunter; NYer; metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear; daniel1212; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; piusv; ...
I am so glad for Pope Francis he has the FR RF in his hip pocket making sure he is ‘clearly understood.’

While the media has taken him out of context, in the latest case ("Pope Suggests Support For Civil Unions," based on a very general statement about the need to evaluate different cases of living arrangements as regards things like health care), but engaging in less extrapolation RCs have used in trying wrest support from Scripture for traditions of men.

And some conservative RCs (CRCs) are upset at other RCs taking them at face value, yet they too often want to dismiss too much of what is reported, and rationalize clear examples of the pope acting or sounding rather unconservative.

Pope Francis’s honors Nelson Madela: “Paying tribute to the steadfast commitment shown by Nelson Mandela in promoting the human dignity of all the nation’s citizens and in forging a new South Africa built on the firm foundations of non-violence, reconciliation and truth, I pray that the late President’s example will inspire generations of South Africans to put justice and the common good at the forefront of their political aspirations. ” - http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2013/12/06/0813/01830.html

Yet Mandela was very proabortion and a member of the communist party, and had a dirty track record: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3099575/posts. And Pro-life leaders urge caution, while Pope, Cardinal Dolan praise controversial Nelson Mandela: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-leaders-urge-caution-while-pope-and-bishops-praise-controversial-n

Yet this was not the first time a pope met Mandela and apparently commended him, according to http://www.romereports.com/pg154998-nelson-mandela-met-twice-with-brother-john-paul-ii-pope-sends-condolences-en, Nelson Mandela met three times with 'brother' John Paul II.

Then CRCs had this to explain:

("standing with the poor: http://nation.time.com/2013/11/15/the-real-reason-pope-francis-posed-with-anti-fracking-activists/)

And then you have other statements from a while back: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3073740/posts?page=31#31

33 posted on 03/06/2014 7:44:26 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: redleghunter

At least you were not called “Romophobic, even though the “hate” allegation is also a tactic of the activists for Sodom.


34 posted on 03/06/2014 7:47:35 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: CynicalBear

##What happened to “thou shalt not steal”?##

Same crowd that will tell you an anullment is not a divorce.


35 posted on 03/06/2014 7:59:00 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock; CynicalBear
##What happened to “thou shalt not steal”?##
Same crowd that will tell you an anullment is not a divorce.

The very same crowd that will tell you it's not really bread.

Casino Royale
"It looks like a bread wafer, it tastes like a bread wafer, but it isn't a bread wafer."

36 posted on 03/06/2014 8:42:13 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: redleghunter
I wonder if Pope Francis ever got in touch with the family of the priest to let them know he had taken the crucifix and not someone else? That would have been the way to proceed instead of retelling the event years later and admitting to being a thief. I'm sure the family would be delighted to know he had the thing and used it in such a way that he thinks would honor the dead priest.

I'll make sure to let my family know to take my two gold tooth crowns before I'm "taken care of" and not leave them to grave robbers. ;o)

37 posted on 03/06/2014 10:54:52 PM PST by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: NYer
It is even more disheartening to witness this shameless display at the opening of Lent, a season for repentance, self-denial and prayer in preparation for Easter. As catholics, you know full well the promise made by our Lord, that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church.

Lent is for Catholics. Nobody else is bound by your traditions.

Additionally, real Christians don't need a special *season* for repentance and prayer. It should be part of the normal everyday experience of a follower of Christ.

In distrusting the pope, you demonstrate a distrust for Christ's promise.

Distrusting a pope who has proven himself untrustworthy by being a grave robber? Can you imagine? The gall of them.

38 posted on 03/06/2014 11:58:21 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: verga
Every year at lent and advent the secular media tries to find ways to stir the pot and get Catholics and other Christians all jacked up over nothing.

So robbing the dead is *nothing* in your book?

Why am I not surprised?

It appears that there is no evil that a Catholic can perpetrate that some other Catholic will not defend and use to attack a non-Catholic over when their hypocrisy and sin is pointed out.

39 posted on 03/07/2014 12:00:45 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Salvation

So you approve of lifting the rosary of a dead person just before the casket is closed, too?

Why do Catholics support robbing the dead?


40 posted on 03/07/2014 12:02:41 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear; redleghunter
Post #8 was in reference to the original post about civil unions, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good old fashion rant. This is the part where a christian would apologize for their error... I am not holding my breath.

I have come to the conclusion that no matter what a catholic does the protestants will find something negative to say. If the pope was seen walking on water the FR headline would read "Pope can't swim."

41 posted on 03/07/2014 1:57:54 AM PST by verga
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To: verga

Your projection is noted.


42 posted on 03/07/2014 4:13:27 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: verga; boatbums; CynicalBear; redleghunter

I was responding to the comment about distrusting the pope.

I realize what the topic of the thread was about, but a man who cannot be trusted to not rob the dead, cannot be trusted at all.

Otherwise, the pope has been put on the level of politicians where people claim that what he does in his private life has no bearing on his ability to hold office.

That is simply not true. People’s morality is not compartmentalized like that. A man who cannot be trusted in private, cannot be trusted in public.

And he has already demonstrated that his ability to make sound judgment is basically non-existent.


43 posted on 03/07/2014 4:18:17 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

Your lack of Christian charity and humility is what is really noted. Good thing I didn’t hold my breath.


44 posted on 03/07/2014 4:18:54 AM PST by verga
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To: verga

Jesus called the Pharisees, the legalistic religious leaders of His day, a brood of vipers, hypocrites, and white washed tombs.

Would you also accuse Him of lack of *Christian charity* for speaking the truth?


45 posted on 03/07/2014 4:21:59 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom
Did you or did you not make a false accusation to me? Would a true Christian have apologized for their error?

The answer to both questions is yes.

Anyone that does not demonstrate Christian charity or humility is not a Christian.

Feel free to have the last comment.

46 posted on 03/07/2014 4:46:09 AM PST by verga
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To: verga; metmom; Gamecock; BlueDragon
Every year at lent and advent the secular media tries to find ways to stir the pot and get Catholics and other Christians all jacked up over nothing.

Every year, at least one FRoman Catholic comes out and demands that the Religion Forum censor the news during Lent. Is that going to be you, this year?

47 posted on 03/07/2014 5:24:32 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy; metmom
Every year, at least one FRoman Catholic comes out and demands that the Religion Forum censor the news during Lent. Is that going to be you, this year?

To quote a mediocre mind "Documentation please"

48 posted on 03/07/2014 5:33:11 AM PST by verga
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To: verga

If this Pope is seen walking on water give me a call.

But in the mean time there is a huge difference between walking on water and being a thief.


49 posted on 03/07/2014 5:40:14 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: NYer

So are you saying stealing from the dead and calling that sin honoring them is a Roman Catholic tradition?


50 posted on 03/07/2014 5:42:32 AM PST by Gamecock
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