So you want a miracle, eh?
Posted on 03/06/2014 2:10:35 PM PST by NYer
How Many Miracles are Required to Canonize a Saint?
Saints [Catholic, Orthodox, Open]
SAINTHOOD 101: Rules for Becoming a Saint [Catholic Caucus]
The Process of Becoming a Saint (Canonization) [Catholic Caucus]
Pope Lists Criteria for Causes of Canonization
On the contrary, the saints are alive. Their intercessory prayers are just as effective as ours but even ore so since they have attained paradise.
Read this and quit putting down the canonization process of the Catholic Church, which you know nothing about.
“The case will next be reviewed by a board of theologians. With their approval the case could move on to the cardinals and bishops who advise the Pope on these matters. Finally, the miracle would be presented to Pope Francis who would then officially affirm that God performed a miracle through the intercession of Fulton Sheen”
Now who does it state above performed the miracle, Fulton Sheen or God?
Yes, I understand the Catholic definition of a saint. It’s quite different from what you find in the Bible.
For a quick insight into God’s definition, check a concordance and then thumb through a few of the occurences of the word in the Scriptures.
I’ll stand with God’s definition. I hope you will too.
Bishop Sheen was indeed Bishop of Rochestor, until he resigned some two years later. I still wonder why he resigned and what he did afterwards.
You must not have read any of those links, for recommendations for sainthood are thoroughly investigated and the guidance of the Holy Spirit is always sought.
And BTW, all people living on earth are sinners in one way or another.
“Do you REALLY believe that ALL people that have been baptized go to HEAVEN??? REALLY???”
Dear FRiend... please slow down and read. Twice now you have completely overlooked what I wrote and substituted something different. Perhaps go back and read carefully.
“You don’t read your Bible very well if that’s what you think.”
I have read and studied what it says, verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book and outlined the same. I’ve studied it in the original languages. I know what it says. I know what GOD says.
“Are you a Mormon??”
Of course not, I’m a Christian.
“Hope you are getting that evidence about Bishop Sheen.....waiting.”
Again, slow down and read. You will find out that you asked that of a different FReeper. It was not me.
“On the contrary, the saints are alive. Their intercessory prayers are just as effective as ours but even ore so since they have attained paradise. “
We agree they are alive. There is no evidence they can hear us. Their prayers are no more effective than ours, even if they could hear us. That is totally made up out of whole cloth.
“Read this and quit putting down the canonization process of the Catholic Church, which you know nothing about.”
I do. I won’t stop proclaiming the truth of God’s word, which trumps any man-made process. If you do not wish to encounter those who do not high five made up things, stick with caucus threads.
“Now who does it state above performed the miracle, Fulton Sheen or God?”
Bad question. It is credited that Sheen performed one of the “necessary” miracles to move him forward. Neither did he perform a miracle, nor do we know that we heard the prayers, nor do we know he prayed, nor will he become a saint by this process.
Jesus said, “If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.” St. Paul called the church, “the pillar and foundation of truth.”
The Church will pronounce on Bishop Sheen’s sainthood.
Where in the Bible does it say that I should listen to Luther, or you?
-— There is no evidence they can hear us -—
Its in your Bible.
the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints” (Rev. 5:8)
The Supreme Court of heaven considers cases brought before them. They aren’t a heavenly NSA always listening into private affairs. That is the domain of others.
So you want a miracle, eh?
No discussion of canonizations should fail to note that the office of “Promoter of the Faith” (commonly known as the devil’s advocate) was abolished by John Paul II in 1983.
Since that change, the canonization rate per year has increased by something in excess of 1,500 percent.
STA,
Actually, the passage you bring to the discussion has 24 Elders, unidentified, who are holding incense. They are presenting the incense before the LAMB.
No where does it say anyone prayed to the Elders.
No where does it identify who the elders are.
No where does it say the elders heard the prayers.
No where does it say the elders prayed - nor played the harp they carried.
“Jesus said, “If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.” St. Paul called the church, “the pillar and foundation of truth.””
You’ve been instructed before that the partial quote above is about church discipline only. Yet you posted it again.
Don’t listen to me. Go read the Bible. God addresses Christians as saints, without regard to miracles, and does it while they are alive.
Either listen to God or not.
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