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Answering Protestants ^ | 7 March 2014 | Matthew Olson

Posted on 03/07/2014 10:14:06 AM PST by matthewrobertolson

Only trusting the Bible without the Church would be like loving "Romeo & Juliet" and hating Shakespeare's explanation of it.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; christian; church; jesus; pimpmyblog
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1 posted on 03/07/2014 10:14:06 AM PST by matthewrobertolson
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The bible never calls for a church to be an accessory to a belief system, it is an organism BECAUSE OF a belief system

Scripture calls for preachers, teachers and evangelists and does not define any of those as a group of any kind, rather .. individual men.

2 posted on 03/07/2014 10:17:41 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: matthewrobertolson

Bored today ?


3 posted on 03/07/2014 10:18:26 AM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: matthewrobertolson

....Or rather using just only the Lenard Bernstein version of Romeo and Juliet called “West Side Story.”


4 posted on 03/07/2014 10:23:08 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: matthewrobertolson

Any church that accepts the mutterings of small children as equal to God’s Holy Word is clearly insane and corrupt. When some church tradition stands in opposition to Scripture, the tradition is sinful.


5 posted on 03/07/2014 10:25:41 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: matthewrobertolson

How does YHvH define "church" i.e.Ekklesia ?

The Law of First Mention

Is it all those called out by YHvH ?

A study of the word "church", in the Koine Greek : Ekklesia.

Was the "church" started at the YHvH commanded
Feast day of Shavuot (pentecost) as some say ?

or

Did the "church" exist earlier ?

Using the LXX as a guide we see that the Ekklesia
is first used in Deuteronomy 4:10

NAsbU Deuteronomy 4:10 "Remember the day you stood before YHvH, your God
at Horeb, when YHvH said to me, 'Assemble the people to Me, that I may let
them hear My words so they may learn to fear Me all the days they live on
the earth, and that they may teach their children.
'
Also see : Deu 4:10, Deu 9:10, Deu 18:16, Deu 23:3, Deu 23:4, Deu 23:9, Deu 31:30,
Jos 9:2, Jda 20.2, Jda 21:5, Jda 21:8, Jdg 20:2 Jdg 21:5, Jdg 21:8, 1 Sa 17:47,
1 Sa 19:20, 1 Ki 8:14, 1 Ki 8:22, 1 Ki 8:55, 1 Ki 8:65, 1 Ch 13:2, 1 Ch 13:4, 1 Ch 28:2,
1 Ch 28:8

What was the purpose of the Ekklesia ?

Was it a temporal corporation to rule on earth ? No !

Was it to have a temporal head ? No !

It was a gathering of YHvH's chosen people to hear His Word ?

and learn to Fear YHvH all their days ?

And to teach their children the same ? Yes.

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Ekklesia is from the Hebrew Qahal (kof, hey, lamed)

(kof => The HOLY ONE
hey => grace, breath of G-d
lamed => teaching and learning)
which is haQahal The assembly (hey, kop, hey, lamed)
In scripture it is always used to describe
those who have been assembled by YHvH.
It begins in Exodus 16:3 ( the bread from heaven )
and continues to Nehemiah 8:17 (living in Booths)
NAsbU Nehemiah 8:17
The entire assembly of those who had returned from
the captivity made booths and lived in them.
The sons of Israel had indeed not done so
from the days of Joshua(Yehoshua)
the son of Nun to that day.
And there was great rejoicing.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
6 posted on 03/07/2014 10:27:34 AM PST by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Uri’el-2012

Excellent analysis!

Praise God for Messianic Jews!

There’s a Messianic Jew on the radio named Tom Cantor. I love listening to him, because he has a depth of knowledge of the Bible and of Hebrew that goes beyond just academic learning, but is woven into the very fabric of his being.

He did the best treatment of the Books of Esther and Ruth that I ever heard. Without an intimate knowledge of the Jewish culture and tradition, much of the depth of these books is lost.


7 posted on 03/07/2014 10:38:59 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

The whole of the Bible is to be understood in relationship to the whole of the Bible.

Amen!


8 posted on 03/07/2014 10:42:01 AM PST by MeshugeMikey (Jesus came to Save not Entertain / Ground John Kerry Now!)
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To: matthewrobertolson

Ouch!


9 posted on 03/07/2014 10:45:16 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: knarf

The Bible has the account of Christ founding the church on his apostles. Doesn’t your Bible have that?


10 posted on 03/07/2014 10:48:26 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Are you saying that Christ founding the Catholic Church on the apostles to carry on after his Ascension is “mutterings of small children?

Aren’t you blaspheming God by saying that?


12 posted on 03/07/2014 10:51:54 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: matthewrobertolson

My brain hurts from trying to understand that analogy. Maybe if I were Catholic; it would all make sense?


13 posted on 03/07/2014 10:56:29 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: matthewrobertolson
Only trusting the Bible without the Church would be like loving "Romeo & Juliet" and hating Shakespeare's explanation of it.

Well we know that whoever authored this bible hit piece is lying because we have the words of the bible right in front of us...

Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Who does the bible say is going to keep and preserve God's words forever??? The Catholic religion??? Of course not...If that religion would have written the bible let alone had the capability to understand it, those verses such as these would not have been put into the bible...

14 posted on 03/07/2014 11:00:07 AM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: matthewrobertolson

This week’s episode of “Adventures in Missing the Point”


15 posted on 03/07/2014 11:01:18 AM PST by Lee N. Field (I beat wasp nests with a stick for fun.)
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To: Salvation; Dr. Thorne
You are blaspheming God.

Easy, I doubt Dr Thorne is a Catholic.

16 posted on 03/07/2014 11:26:11 AM PST by xone
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To: matthewrobertolson

Catholicism and Scripture. More like studying the free market economy by reading Lenin.


17 posted on 03/07/2014 11:30:23 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Dr. Thorne

Amen.

Mat 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

So making the commandment of God of none effect by a tradition is a bad thing, and teaching for doctrines the commandments of men is a bad thing.


18 posted on 03/07/2014 11:33:29 AM PST by afsnco
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To: matthewrobertolson

Bad analogy - the church did not write the Bible. A more correct analogy would be to trust in the Bible but not listen to one of the actor’s guild opinion about how the play should be conducted.


19 posted on 03/07/2014 11:41:20 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: matthewrobertolson

since many have left the Church here is what has happened:

they threw out:

the Blessed Mother,

bishops,

ordained priests,

the Eucahrist,

seven books of the bible,

the crucifix,

religious icons,

saints,

the Mystical Body,

physically going to Church on the Lord’s Day,

and One Truth.

INSTEAD THEY HAVE:

Everyone has their Own Personal Interpretation of Scripture,

moral relativism,

protestant ministers coaching newlyweds on birth control options,

sects arguing with sects over the smallest scriptural details,

Welches grape juice and Ritz crackers,

new bibles whose interpretations vary widely,

and faithful who say they often don’t agree with their minister.

AMDG
Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam


20 posted on 03/07/2014 11:42:52 AM PST by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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