Skip to comments.Cardinal Dolan says "Bravo!"
Posted on 03/10/2014 3:56:37 PM PDT by piusv
"Who am I to judge?" makes a triumphant entry in the American subset of the College of Cardinals, in an interview granted to the highest-rated political debate program on US television, to be broadcast tomorrow:
Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York praised University of Missouri football star Michael Sam for coming out as gay, saying he would not judge the athlete for his sexual orientation. "Good for him," Dolan said in an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press" airing Sunday.
"I would have no sense of judgment on him," Dolan continued. "God bless ya. I don't think, look, the same Bible that tells us, that teaches us well about the virtues of chastity and the virtue of fidelity and marriage also tells us not to judge people. So I would say, 'Bravo.'" [Source]
OK, then. Naturally, the Cardinal did not have to say anything at all regarding a specific individual, even if asked. But silence and discretion are one thing, explicitly refusing moral discernment is another, and raising such refusal to the status of "good" and "bravo" is quite noteworthy for a Prince of the Church, because it is in itself a moral judgment, a positive moral judgment.
It is quite easy to see that no moral debate in which the Catholic Church takes part, of any kind and on any level, can ever anymore advance even one inch if the parameters become simply an isolated reading of "not judging" - and much less if "not judging" is elevated to the positive judgment of "good" and "bravo." Politicians quote a pontiff when casting immoral votes, and what can the Church say, from now on, on any legal matter (that presupposes a moral order)? It can always be used to stop any social debate. What can poor pastors and vicars say regarding any sin, even personally to a parishioner, when the isolated presentation of "no sense of judgment" becomes normative? Or even regarding, for instance, an inclination that our judgmental Catechism of the Catholic Church defines as "objectively disordered" (regardless of the practice or not of the "intrinsically disordered" acts attached to it)?
And if you do not like this post, who are you to judge us?...
I checked around for a more "acceptable" source here (because I know how some balk at this one), but could not find one. I wonder why some of the mainstream Catholic blogs/news reporters haven't reported on this.
Can’t lose that NY Catholic money. Gotta show “compassion” to keep the plate full on Sunday.
It's just as bad in print as it is on the screen.
Are there any good Catholics in the house that can explain that to this Confirmed Alter Boy?
Criticize me if you will for fading from the Church, but how could I not?
Do not leave the Church. Learn what is authentic Church teaching and do not ever let a priest or Bishop scandalize you out.
Out and proud homosexuals should have their actions judged and developing children kept away from the example of the homosexual lifestyle.
Shame on our prelates who fail to judge out and proud homsexual behaviors. Hate the sin love the sinner.
Sad, many have been brainwashed by political correctness and cannot face the truth. The Bible judges perverse actions, yes and does forgive, but also says go and sin no more.
I’m so sick of being embarrassed by my Church and national leaders. Where is that picture of Patrick Stewart doing the faceplant?
Well, this is a thread about the Church, so perhaps these would be more appropriate.
But, if you insist upon Patrick Stewart:
And, to think, according to the SRM, he's a "conservative" bishop.
What is SRM?
So if he had “come out” as a necrophile, would Dolan have likewise exclaimed, “Bravo!”? He is obviously emulating Pope Francis’ refusal to judge. One has to wonder exactly where these ecclesiastical non-judgementalists draw the line.
Dolan should have kept his mouth shut, but since he chose to comment, he should have reiterated Church teaching and said he’d pray for the individual.
If I lived in his archdiocese, I wouldn’t give him a dime.
I totally LOLed at those pics
Dolan is a huge disappointment. His hankering to be accepted as one of the “cool kids” by the social elites has reached the point of obsession.
I don't know if Cardinal Dolan is taking the position that Michael Sam is celibate and has a homosexual disorder as a temptation, is a believer who is actively sinning, or is an unbeliever whom he hopes will repent and come to faith. 1 Corinthians 5 would certainly apply if he were asserting he is a Christian. In any case, this is not an issue which should not be judged.
and 1 Corinthians 6
There are no Cardinals in the Scriptures, but that is not my main objection. The quotes of Cardinal Dolan, if accurate, bring disrepute on the Catholic Church and is unscriptural.
CWN - March 10, 2014
In a television interview aired March 9, New York’s Cardinal Timothy Dolan said that Pope Francis wants the Church to understand the campaign for legal recognition of same-sex unions.
Appearing on the NBC program “Meet the Press,” Cardinal Dolan said that in a recent Italian interview, Pope Francis was not indicating that the Church would favor civil-union proposals. “It wasn’t as if he came out and approved them,” the cardinal said. “He said, ‘Rather than quickly condemn them, let’s just ask the questions as to why that has appealed to certain people.’”
A spokesman for the Holy See, Father Thomas Rosica, agreed, saying: “The Pope did not choose to enter into debates about the delicate matter of gay civil unions.” In an interview that appeared last week in Corriere della Sera,” when he was questioned about civil unions, the Pope replied: “You have to see the variety of cases and evaluate them in their variety.”
During his “Meet the Press” appearance, Cardinal Dolan said that he “would have no sense of judgment” about Michael Sam, the aspiring professional football player who has said that he is homosexual. Cardinal Dolan observed that “the same Bible that tells us that teaches us well about the virtues of chastity and the virtue of fidelity and marriage also tells us not to judge people.” He concluded: “So I would say, Bravo.”
A well measured post. However I don’t think Sam was coming out to confess his sin but to proclaim it proudly. Proudly to inform us Sam sees his homosexual life as “good” and “healthy.” To folks like us basically Sam has “self sanctified” his sin. At the least Dolan should have quoted Isaiah 5:20. Or at least give the Church’s stance on homosexuality.
The usual “love the sinner, hate the sin” meme is becoming sickening. We love the sinner by presenting the Gospel which is the antidote for the sin that enslaves them.
Thanks. That was like a whole bouquet of faceplants!
Oh. O.K. I’ve taken to calling them the EneMedia. :o/
Let’s not be too tough on the Cardinal here. He gets real judgemental and stuff, they are liable not to invite him to the next Al Smith Dinner where he likes to yuk it up with all his pro-abortion Democrat buds.
Don’t leave the church! Continue to give money that supports this sin! Continue to be exposed to this sin.
Put a frog un a pot of boiling water, turn on the burner and slowly raise the temp. The frog won’t even know he’s being cooked.
Cardinal Dolan will say anything to please the NY Times and the rest of the media.His philosophy is go along to get along.
The original story was not true.
Saw Dolan on TV yesterday at a news conference with socialist
DeBlasio. Of course he was shucking and jiving and acting like he was at a St. Patty’s Day party. I have never cared for Dolan’s style and never will. Too much of a back-slapping politician for me.
The original story is true. I saw the actual interview on TV and the article is spot on.
Exactly what wasn’t true about it?