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$600K in Donations Stolen from Joel Osteenís Mega-Church [LISTEN]
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Posted on 03/11/2014 8:45:28 AM PDT by Morgana

Lakewood Church is dealing with a violation of the Ten Commandments after the theft of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

“Thou shalt not steal.” But someone did.

Lakewood Church has sent out a notice that donations collected at services Saturday and Sunday, the 8th and 9th, were stolen. And, they advise anyone who gave by check or credit card to watch their bank accounts very carefully and report any suspicious activity.

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1 posted on 03/11/2014 8:45:28 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

$600,000 donated in 2 days? And the city sold him the old stadium for only $8 million even though it was worth much more?

Crazy.


2 posted on 03/11/2014 8:50:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: Morgana

Liberals have infested the nest


3 posted on 03/11/2014 8:50:30 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Morgana

600 Thousand in one weekend?


4 posted on 03/11/2014 8:51:04 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Morgana

$600,000? Man, he IS one hell of a motivational speaker!


5 posted on 03/11/2014 8:52:46 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Gadsden1st

Per Wikipedia, around 43k people go there a week.

Crazy.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 8:56:04 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Morgana

No worries, because there is no such thing as sin (or so some new age-y Christians tell me).


7 posted on 03/11/2014 8:56:08 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Morgana

$600K in two days? Obscene.


8 posted on 03/11/2014 9:00:20 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Gadsden1st

Judging from the seating capacity (based on 16,200_)that would be about $18.50 per person per day if the house was full.


9 posted on 03/11/2014 9:04:40 AM PDT by Texas Yellow Rose
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To: Morgana
Lakewood Church has sent out a notice that donations collected at services Saturday and Sunday, the 8th and 9th, were stolen. And, they advise anyone who gave by check or credit card to watch their bank accounts very carefully and report any suspicious activity.

I think someone is green with envy.

10 posted on 03/11/2014 9:04:46 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: boycott
$600K in two days? Obscene.

It wouldn't be obscene if the money were going to some good cause. If.

11 posted on 03/11/2014 9:05:28 AM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: Morgana

Sounds like the Church may have been doing money laundering with that much cash?.


12 posted on 03/11/2014 9:10:49 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Morgana

Someone needs to look a “Joal and Vicky’s” Bank account!


13 posted on 03/11/2014 9:17:40 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Morgana

Well, I guess someone there named it, and claimed it!


14 posted on 03/11/2014 9:23:25 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Vaduz

That’s what it sounds like.


15 posted on 03/11/2014 9:24:42 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Fido969
Well, I guess someone there named it, and claimed it!

ROTFLMAO!

16 posted on 03/11/2014 9:26:02 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Gadsden1st

Piker. Joyce Myers pulls in 100 million a year.


17 posted on 03/11/2014 9:26:35 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Fido969

Truth.


18 posted on 03/11/2014 9:29:42 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: ottbmare

Agree.


19 posted on 03/11/2014 9:35:27 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Morgana
I'm guessing the unusual part is that the donations weren't stolen by Osteen?
20 posted on 03/11/2014 9:41:20 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Morgana
victoria osteen photo: VICTORIA OSTEEN'S abc_gma_osteen_edit_071016_mn.jpg

$600k is ashtray change for Vicky.

21 posted on 03/11/2014 9:49:11 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Texas Yellow Rose

Than the $18.50 figure is low. The average household income in California is $70,000 just about every Christian church commands a tithing of %10 of your income. So that would be $7000 per year divided by 52 is $134

Now lets say that even if Dads tithing for family of four taking up four seats should net $33 and change per seat.


22 posted on 03/11/2014 9:57:42 AM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: Morgana
$600,000 in a single weekend? That's obscene. The New Testament specifies only two occasions where Christians gave money. First, to support, or partially support, those who labor "in word and doctrine." Sadly, I can't find any preachers who labor in word and doctrine. Their sermons are superficial and shallow, and appear to have been downloaded off the internet that morning. I insist on hearing solid scholarly research. I could care less about his personal anecdotes or illustrations from his "book of illustrations." Sadly, the latter is what I hear, and it's a waste of my time.

Second, in order to help feed needy Christians. The passage in 1 Corinthians that we use to guilt attendees into maximum contributions is merely referring to a special collection to take care of needy Christians in Jerusalem. It was a special collection.

Those are the only two reasons for giving in Bible days, and remember, we always look to those events to determine how we worship.

But we've made the "contribution" a formal part of the worship. In my denomination (conservative church of Christ), it's actually a part of the communion service. And if you examine a typical budget, the vast majority of the collected funds go to support the underworked, overpaid "minister." And most congregations have more than one. Pulpit minister. Youth minister. Family life minister. Associate minister. Involvement minister. Education minister. And for the life of me, I can't figure out what any of those guys do.

And when all is said and done, when you examine the annual budget, most of the money goes to support the guys who, nobody can figure out what they do. Because they definitely don't "labor in word and doctrine." The rest will likely go to pay for the air conditioning, padded pews, expensive real estate, gymnasiums, excercise facilities, etc.

And when you get to the real reason the congregational collection began in the first place, to take care of needy saints, in most congregations you won't see a thing.

This "preacher" in the OP symbolizes this whole perverted process.

23 posted on 03/11/2014 10:04:25 AM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: LouAvul
In my denomination (conservative church of Christ), [the offering is] actually a part of the communion service. And if you examine a typical budget, the vast majority of the collected funds go to support the underworked, overpaid "minister." And most congregations have more than one. Pulpit minister. Youth minister. Family life minister. Associate minister. Involvement minister. Education minister. And for the life of me, I can't figure out what any of those guys do. And when all is said and done, when you examine the annual budget, most of the money goes to support the guys who, nobody can figure out what they do. Because they definitely don't "labor in word and doctrine." The rest will likely go to pay for the air conditioning, padded pews, expensive real estate, gymnasiums, excercise facilities, etc.

Sounds like you have a huge problem with the ministers and accountants hired by your congregation!

24 posted on 03/11/2014 10:20:27 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Gamecock
I wonder how much that Swedish mega-church, the one whose pastor just converted to Catholicism, collects each Sunday?
25 posted on 03/11/2014 10:23:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy
It's not just the church of Christ. We actually get much of what we do (various ministers, the Sunday school program, revivals/gospel meetings, fellowship halls, gymnasiums, etc) from the very denominations we denounced for so many years.

The Church began in Acts 2. Over the 2,000 years since then, it has morphed into some big business, corporate model that bears no similarity to its beginnings. That's the problem.

Members don't want to study. So we hire "preachers" to do our studying, teaching, thinking, for us. And as soon as the membership gets stupid, then they're ripe for any kind of unscriptural innovation or doctrine.

They're also ripe for preachers to do less and less. Modern preachers are notorious for preaching the same sermons over and over. They just stick in different illustrations, and most members never catch on. Preachers are no different from anyone else. They will do only what they have to, to get by. And as the preacher goes, so goes the congregation.

We need to get away from the corporate church model. Remember, in Romans 16, Paul greeted Aquilla and the church in his "house."

26 posted on 03/11/2014 10:45:38 AM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: Morgana

I wonder if the tone of many of these replies would be far different if Osteen suddenly pledged his allegiance to Rome.


27 posted on 03/11/2014 10:51:58 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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28 posted on 03/11/2014 10:55:35 AM PDT by Gamecock
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Sounds like your average Protestant Church to me. How is it news?


29 posted on 03/11/2014 10:56:20 AM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Kandy Atz

How so?


30 posted on 03/11/2014 10:56:37 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Kandy Atz

Televangelism is the professional wrestling of organized religion.


31 posted on 03/11/2014 11:17:28 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: LouAvul
Pulpit minister. Youth minister. Family life minister. Associate minister. Involvement minister. Education minister. And for the life of me, I can't figure out what any of those guys do.

Worship leader, too. And if you need some ministering, it's like these guys are doing you a big favor by coming into the office for 30 minutes to talk to you.

32 posted on 03/11/2014 11:23:44 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Morgana

Trying to feel bad for anyone but the donor of the cash stolen....Joel is something else...felt weird about him...


33 posted on 03/11/2014 11:26:07 AM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: LouAvul; All

“$600,000 in a single weekend? That’s obscene.”

“We’re gathered here tonight To pay tribute to our Lord and money unto me Oh, Lord in Heaven, let us pray You TV viewers, give me your pay M I C K E Y M O U S E “ -— Dead Kennedys.


34 posted on 03/11/2014 11:44:43 AM PDT by Morgana (Wagglebee please come home we miss you!)
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To: a fool in paradise

LOL!


35 posted on 03/11/2014 11:48:00 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gadsden1st
600 Thousand in one weekend?

Seems like a bunch huh? I wonder what his weekend seating numbers are? If you have 10-15K attending and they throw $20-50 bucks in the hat, you can come up with that number easy. But given Osteen probably has regular church goers on a bank draft the numbers are probably higher.

36 posted on 03/11/2014 11:52:29 AM PDT by redleghunter
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To: LouAvul

There’s an Osteen type church (he visits it ofen) where I live. Heard from my neighbors that church has a Starbucks inside the church.


37 posted on 03/11/2014 11:57:41 AM PDT by redleghunter
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To: Kandy Atz
I wonder if the tone of many of these replies would be far different if Osteen suddenly pledged his allegiance to Rome.

Does he have enough money to bail out an archdioces?

38 posted on 03/11/2014 12:00:50 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter
Does he [Osteen] have enough money to bail out an archdioces?

Spittake

39 posted on 03/11/2014 12:09:33 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: redleghunter
That's not a "church." That's a social club that's being fed a steady diet of feel good, positive thinking type "presentations." That's absolutely contrary to God's will, and instructions, for preachers.

2 Tim 4:1-5: I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

It's impossible for a preacher to do his job and amass a congregation the size of the one we're discussing. If a preacher is truly doing his job (viz. rebuking, etc), it's likely he'll need to also be making tents, so to speak, to survive.

I don't even need to visit one of these "megachurches" to know they're not doing God's will. There's no way to keep from offending that large a number of people if you're preaching and rebuking as God commands.

And lest someone accuse me of being judgmental, the Lord commands us to honestly scrutinize others works. John 7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

40 posted on 03/11/2014 12:19:37 PM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: LouAvul

Excellent post. Thanks.


41 posted on 03/11/2014 12:31:49 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: escapefromboston
Sounds like your average Protestant Church to me. How is it news?

THAT was uncalled for and untrue.

42 posted on 03/11/2014 1:25:36 PM PDT by madison10
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To: escapefromboston
Sounds like your average Protestant Church to me. How is it news?

Your average Protestant church rakes in 600k per weekend?

What planet are you from?

43 posted on 03/11/2014 1:43:45 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: LouAvul

Joel has said that is not his ministry.


44 posted on 03/11/2014 2:06:47 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

What is not his ministry?


45 posted on 03/11/2014 2:45:28 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Gamecock; metmom
Joel has said that is not his ministry.

What? Preaching the truth? Preaching? Truth?

46 posted on 03/11/2014 2:57:20 PM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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To: LouAvul

That’s what I was thinking as well.


47 posted on 03/11/2014 3:24:51 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: escapefromboston

Cathedral Treasury

http://www.cologne-tourism.com/attractions-culture/museums/ecclesiastical-and-private-museums/cathedral-treasury.html


48 posted on 03/11/2014 5:17:53 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: ottbmare
I was also wondering what they do with all that money.

Do they perform the Corporal Works of Mercy?

The chief corporal works of mercy are seven:

·  1. To feed the hungry.

We must never turn away anyone who is hungry. Those in authority should prevent unemployment. Giving work is the best means for removing the necessity of feeding the unemployed.

    Saint Louis of France provided daily food to the poor, and often served them himself. Many charitable people today, especially the religious institutions, feed the hungry. Lay people can help out best by giving work to all they can afford to help; work is better for the able-bodied than direct alms-giving.

·  2. To give drink to the thirsty.

Our Lord says that a cup of cold water given in His name shall not go unrewarded (Mark 9:40). Giving medicine belongs to this work of mercy. Those who construct reservoirs, or who purify public drinking water, are giving drink to the thirsty.

·  3. To clothe the naked.

Many make a practice of giving clothes to the poor; other gifts belong to this kind of alms.

    The story of Saint Martin, giving half his cloak to a beggar, exemplifies this work of mercy.

·  4. To visit the imprisoned.

Those who visit the prisoners in jails and give them instruction and material help are doing a work of mercy.

    In the Middle Ages the Order of Ransom was founded for the ransom of Christians held captive by the Turks. It is said that more than a million Christians were thus ransomed, either with money, or by others taking their place. In the 19th century Cardinal Lavigerie established the Order of the White Fathers, aimed at freeing slaves in Africa.

·  5. To shelter the homeless.

Those who do this work of mercy are like the Good Samaritan. Those who provide clean and comfortable homes for the poor at low rates of rent practice this work of mercy.

    Saint Paul said: "Hospitality do not forget; for by this some, not being aware of it, have entertained angels" (Hebrews 13:2). In olden times travelers stopped for the night or for food in the monasteries. In the Alps, the monks of Saint Bernard perform this work of mercy when they rescue, with the aid of their famous breed of dogs, travelers who have met with accidents.

·  6. To visit the sick.

When we visit the sick, in order to give them temporal or spiritual relief, we do an act of mercy. To build, support, or aid a hospital or a patronage for the sick is a most meritorious act of charity. Doctors and nurses who perform their duties to please God will be rewarded in Heaven. Several religious orders have been founded for the express purpose of taking care of the sick, such as the orders founded by Saint John of God and Saint Vincent de Paul.

·  7. To bury the dead.

To attend a funeral, visit a house of mourning, or aid the bereaved family, are works of merit. Other corporal works of mercy are: helping out during a fire or accident, rescuing one in danger of death, etc. Every word or act done in the name of or for the sake of Christ is a work of mercy, and will be rewarded.

http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/11Feb/feb24cms.htm


49 posted on 03/11/2014 5:33:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom

It’s been said that Satan’s greatest feat was convincing the world he didn’t exist. But I think his greatest feat was the creation of so many counterfeit “Christian” organizations, that it became very difficult to know which “church” was genuine.


50 posted on 03/11/2014 6:39:05 PM PDT by LouAvul (In a state of disbelief as to how liberals destroyed America in a mere 40 years.)
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