Skip to comments.$600K in Donations Stolen from Joel Osteenís Mega-Church [LISTEN]
Posted on 03/11/2014 8:45:28 AM PDT by Morgana
Lakewood Church is dealing with a violation of the Ten Commandments after the theft of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Thou shalt not steal. But someone did.
Lakewood Church has sent out a notice that donations collected at services Saturday and Sunday, the 8th and 9th, were stolen. And, they advise anyone who gave by check or credit card to watch their bank accounts very carefully and report any suspicious activity.
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$600,000 donated in 2 days? And the city sold him the old stadium for only $8 million even though it was worth much more?
Liberals have infested the nest
600 Thousand in one weekend?
$600,000? Man, he IS one hell of a motivational speaker!
Per Wikipedia, around 43k people go there a week.
No worries, because there is no such thing as sin (or so some new age-y Christians tell me).
$600K in two days? Obscene.
Judging from the seating capacity (based on 16,200_)that would be about $18.50 per person per day if the house was full.
I think someone is green with envy.
It wouldn't be obscene if the money were going to some good cause. If.
Sounds like the Church may have been doing money laundering with that much cash?.
Someone needs to look a “Joal and Vicky’s” Bank account!
Well, I guess someone there named it, and claimed it!
That’s what it sounds like.
Piker. Joyce Myers pulls in 100 million a year.
Than the $18.50 figure is low. The average household income in California is $70,000 just about every Christian church commands a tithing of %10 of your income. So that would be $7000 per year divided by 52 is $134
Now lets say that even if Dads tithing for family of four taking up four seats should net $33 and change per seat.
Second, in order to help feed needy Christians. The passage in 1 Corinthians that we use to guilt attendees into maximum contributions is merely referring to a special collection to take care of needy Christians in Jerusalem. It was a special collection.
Those are the only two reasons for giving in Bible days, and remember, we always look to those events to determine how we worship.
But we've made the "contribution" a formal part of the worship. In my denomination (conservative church of Christ), it's actually a part of the communion service. And if you examine a typical budget, the vast majority of the collected funds go to support the underworked, overpaid "minister." And most congregations have more than one. Pulpit minister. Youth minister. Family life minister. Associate minister. Involvement minister. Education minister. And for the life of me, I can't figure out what any of those guys do.
And when all is said and done, when you examine the annual budget, most of the money goes to support the guys who, nobody can figure out what they do. Because they definitely don't "labor in word and doctrine." The rest will likely go to pay for the air conditioning, padded pews, expensive real estate, gymnasiums, excercise facilities, etc.
And when you get to the real reason the congregational collection began in the first place, to take care of needy saints, in most congregations you won't see a thing.
This "preacher" in the OP symbolizes this whole perverted process.
Sounds like you have a huge problem with the ministers and accountants hired by your congregation!
The Church began in Acts 2. Over the 2,000 years since then, it has morphed into some big business, corporate model that bears no similarity to its beginnings. That's the problem.
Members don't want to study. So we hire "preachers" to do our studying, teaching, thinking, for us. And as soon as the membership gets stupid, then they're ripe for any kind of unscriptural innovation or doctrine.
They're also ripe for preachers to do less and less. Modern preachers are notorious for preaching the same sermons over and over. They just stick in different illustrations, and most members never catch on. Preachers are no different from anyone else. They will do only what they have to, to get by. And as the preacher goes, so goes the congregation.
We need to get away from the corporate church model. Remember, in Romans 16, Paul greeted Aquilla and the church in his "house."
I wonder if the tone of many of these replies would be far different if Osteen suddenly pledged his allegiance to Rome.
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Sounds like your average Protestant Church to me. How is it news?
Televangelism is the professional wrestling of organized religion.
Worship leader, too. And if you need some ministering, it's like these guys are doing you a big favor by coming into the office for 30 minutes to talk to you.
Trying to feel bad for anyone but the donor of the cash stolen....Joel is something else...felt weird about him...
“$600,000 in a single weekend? That’s obscene.”
“We’re gathered here tonight To pay tribute to our Lord and money unto me Oh, Lord in Heaven, let us pray You TV viewers, give me your pay M I C K E Y M O U S E “ -— Dead Kennedys.
Seems like a bunch huh? I wonder what his weekend seating numbers are? If you have 10-15K attending and they throw $20-50 bucks in the hat, you can come up with that number easy. But given Osteen probably has regular church goers on a bank draft the numbers are probably higher.
There’s an Osteen type church (he visits it ofen) where I live. Heard from my neighbors that church has a Starbucks inside the church.
Does he have enough money to bail out an archdioces?
2 Tim 4:1-5: I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
It's impossible for a preacher to do his job and amass a congregation the size of the one we're discussing. If a preacher is truly doing his job (viz. rebuking, etc), it's likely he'll need to also be making tents, so to speak, to survive.
I don't even need to visit one of these "megachurches" to know they're not doing God's will. There's no way to keep from offending that large a number of people if you're preaching and rebuking as God commands.
And lest someone accuse me of being judgmental, the Lord commands us to honestly scrutinize others works. John 7:24: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Excellent post. Thanks.
THAT was uncalled for and untrue.
Your average Protestant church rakes in 600k per weekend?
What planet are you from?
Joel has said that is not his ministry.
What is not his ministry?
What? Preaching the truth? Preaching? Truth?
That’s what I was thinking as well.
Do they perform the Corporal Works of Mercy?
The chief corporal works of mercy are seven:
· 1. To feed the hungry.
We must never turn away anyone who is hungry. Those in authority should prevent unemployment. Giving work is the best means for removing the necessity of feeding the unemployed.
Saint Louis of France provided daily food to the poor, and often served them himself. Many charitable people today, especially the religious institutions, feed the hungry. Lay people can help out best by giving work to all they can afford to help; work is better for the able-bodied than direct alms-giving.
· 2. To give drink to the thirsty.
Our Lord says that a cup of cold water given in His name shall not go unrewarded (Mark 9:40). Giving medicine belongs to this work of mercy. Those who construct reservoirs, or who purify public drinking water, are giving drink to the thirsty.
· 3. To clothe the naked.
Many make a practice of giving clothes to the poor; other gifts belong to this kind of alms.
The story of Saint Martin, giving half his cloak to a beggar, exemplifies this work of mercy.
· 4. To visit the imprisoned.
Those who visit the prisoners in jails and give them instruction and material help are doing a work of mercy.
In the Middle Ages the Order of Ransom was founded for the ransom of Christians held captive by the Turks. It is said that more than a million Christians were thus ransomed, either with money, or by others taking their place. In the 19th century Cardinal Lavigerie established the Order of the White Fathers, aimed at freeing slaves in Africa.
· 5. To shelter the homeless.
Those who do this work of mercy are like the Good Samaritan. Those who provide clean and comfortable homes for the poor at low rates of rent practice this work of mercy.
Saint Paul said: "Hospitality do not forget; for by this some, not being aware of it, have entertained angels" (Hebrews 13:2). In olden times travelers stopped for the night or for food in the monasteries. In the Alps, the monks of Saint Bernard perform this work of mercy when they rescue, with the aid of their famous breed of dogs, travelers who have met with accidents.
· 6. To visit the sick.
When we visit the sick, in order to give them temporal or spiritual relief, we do an act of mercy. To build, support, or aid a hospital or a patronage for the sick is a most meritorious act of charity. Doctors and nurses who perform their duties to please God will be rewarded in Heaven. Several religious orders have been founded for the express purpose of taking care of the sick, such as the orders founded by Saint John of God and Saint Vincent de Paul.
· 7. To bury the dead.
To attend a funeral, visit a house of mourning, or aid the bereaved family, are works of merit. Other corporal works of mercy are: helping out during a fire or accident, rescuing one in danger of death, etc. Every word or act done in the name of or for the sake of Christ is a work of mercy, and will be rewarded.
It’s been said that Satan’s greatest feat was convincing the world he didn’t exist. But I think his greatest feat was the creation of so many counterfeit “Christian” organizations, that it became very difficult to know which “church” was genuine.