The Thousand Year Reign of Christ on Earth: Is it Biblical?

Mar 14, 2014 | PhilipFreneau

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>Hmm, if the “beloved city” is not Jerusalem, but heavenly Jerusalem, then how do the armies of Gog and Magog go across the entire earth to get to heaven? Is it possible for men to walk to heaven? They can walk to Jerusalem, which makes it the only sensible interpretation, unless you can reconcile that.<<<

It is a spiritual war. It is occurring everywhere. Recall this verse:

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Mat 10:28)

I learned that verse the first day I read the Bible nearly four decades ago, and it has played a part in my interpretation, since.

>>>How is he going to get to them if they are already permanently in Heaven with Jesus as you say? By the time of those verses, Satan is on earth, and verse 9 says “fire came down from Heaven and devoured them”. If fire came down from Heaven, then they couldn’t be in Heaven, but were obviously on earth. They were gathered from the four corners of the earth, they traveled across the earth, and surrounded God’s beloved city. There is no mention of any teleportation, flying, or ladders to Heaven in any of those verses.<<<

I see you are not interested in a mature discussion. When you have anything to add to the discussion, get back with me. I will be more than obliging.

This is a hint: Christians everywhere are part of the Church, the new Jerusalem, which is located on mount Sion in heaven. They are also part of the Holy Temple, which is also found on mount Sion in heaven. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.

This is another hint: this earth will be around forever, and generations of people will come and go, forever. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.

This is another hint: the Church is not going anywhere. Christ gave his life for the Church, and it is here to stay. If was not an afterthought. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.

This is another hint: Israel is no longer God's chosen people, and has not been for about 2000 years. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not.

Philip

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>So which are you, Amillennialist or Postmillennialist?<<<

I thought I was a postmillennialist until I took a test that one our Freepers had linked on his page. I scored higher as an amillennialist, and slightly lower as a postmillennialist and preterist. I really don’t know, except I am certain I am not a dispensationalist or futurist.

Philip

[jimmyray]

QUOTE: "This is another hint: this earth will be around forever, and generations of people will come and go, forever. Satan knows it. Many Christians do not."

Not completely accurate. To wit:

2 Peter 3:10...The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

and

Rev 21: 4‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

The core of the earth may remain, but it's surface will be totally consumed with fire. Jesus will create the New Heavens and the New Earth (Rev 21:1), where there will be no more death. Generations will no longer "come and go" as you claim.

[sasportas]

It’s really pretty simple, if you believe you are in the millennial of Rev. 20 now, a spiritualized thousand years, then you are an amillennialist.

If you believe the world is getting better and better (not worse and worse), more and more Christian every day (not more anti-Christian(, you are not in the millennial yet, it will be realized when Christianity has Christianized the world, at the end of which (thousand years) the 2nd coming takes place, then you are a Post-millennialist.

You can’t be both, either

you are in the millennial now...

or you are not in it yet, at the end of which the 2nd coming takes place.

[jimmyray]

QUOTE: "This is another hint: this earth will be around forever, and generations of people will come and go, forever. Satan knows claims it. Many Christians do not know it is a lie."

Fixed it for you.

[mdmathis6]

25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that HE SHALL STAND(emphasis added) at the latter day upon the earth: 19:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God 19:27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.” (Job 19:25-27 KJV)

Plenty of Old Testament references to Christ who someday shall rule on the Earth, Phillip, if you are having trouble understanding the plain language in Revelation.

[redleghunter]

We have an indication in Revelation 19. Key words marriage supper; clothed in white linen mentioned twice:

Revelation 19:6-14 NKJV

And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns! Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ”

And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.” And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus.

Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns.

He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

[redleghunter]

If you have not seen it yet, Phil believes the second coming of Jesus Christ is time past. He believes it happened in 70AD.

[jimmyray]

QUOTE:We have an indication in Revelation 19. Key words marriage supper; clothed in white linen mentioned twice:
Revelation 19:6-14 NKJV

I don't understand the point your making, as you give no indication of the context for this verse in the dialogue above. Are you referring to a previous post of mine? Are you confirming or disputing an argument I made?

[Rashputin]

"Well, if you conveniently end your quote in verse 6, you can make that statement, but if you include the next few verses, you cannot:

Hmmmm. If that's the rule then apply it accross the board starting with John 3:16.

Read the next few after that verse:

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him.
John 3:18 He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged : because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the judgment : because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light : for their works were evil.
John 3:20 For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved.
John 3:21 But he that doth truth, cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, because they are done in God.

So much for "Faith Alone" and "Once Saved Always Saved" both unless you make an exception to your own rule of reading verses in context.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>Jesus tramples the peoples of the Earth by himself, on the earth!<<<

I have read many commentaries on Isaiah 63 in the past six months, or so; and I don't believe anyone really understands it; or if they do they most likely got lucky. LOL! I personally believe it refers to the destruction of Jerusalem and the first temple by the Chaldeans. If you read on, in context, until 64:10-11, it is written:

"Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation. Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste." (Isa 64:10-11 KJV)

While I can see, on the surface, possibilities of this referring to the destruction of Jerusalem and the second temple in 70 AD by the Roman Armies (along with other Israeli cities;) I just cannot imagine the children of Israel speaking of the second temple in the manner that is underlined!

In any case, I do recall the Lord using armies of various empires to carry out his judgements. If I understand correctly, he used the Assyrians to punish Egypt; Assyrians to punish the northern ten tribes; the Chaldeans to punish the Assyrians and Jerusalem; Cyrus and the Persians to punish the Chaldeans; and the Roman armies to punish Jerusalem and Israel.

Maybe a few of those are mixed up, but the imagery is the same: when Christ came in judgement he came in the form of invading or opposing armies. This is the way the Lord prophesied the future punishment of Jerusalem by the Roman armies (66-70 AD):

"The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young: And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee. And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the Lord thy God hath given thee." (Deu 28:49-52 KJV)

"And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city." (Mat 22:6-7 KJV)

"And when [Jesus] was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it, Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation." (Luke 19:41-44 KJV)

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh." (Luke 21:20 KJV)

Philip

[ex-Texan]

Take a peek at this:

The Nephelim: TRUE STORY of Satan, Fallen Angels, Giants, Aliens

Recall the famous quote by Shakespeare in Hamlet: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy . . . "

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>Not completely accurate. To wit:

2 Peter 3:10...The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.<<<

Rev 21: 4‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” <<<

The core of the earth may remain, but it's surface will be totally consumed with fire. Jesus will create the New Heavens and the New Earth (Rev 21:1), where there will be no more death. Generations will no longer "come and go" as you claim. <<<

That is all imagery by Peter and John. First, recall that Jesus baptizes with fire:

"John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:" (Luke 3:16 KJV)

Next, recall that God loves the world, and sent his Son to save it, not destroy it:

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:17 KJV)

That said, I posted the following a few weeks ago on Free Republic, but it is worth repeating . . .

How do you explain all the dead bodies in this passage?

"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh." (Isa 66:22-24 KJV)

I believe that prophecy was supposed to be after this one:

"And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying." (Isa 65:15-19 KJV)

Now, if the Lord is going to literally destroy this earth and literally create a new one, as you imply, who gets punished for destroying the old one?

"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." (Rev 11:18)

Did you notice there are still nations, and they are angry? If there will be a literal new earth, where did those and these nations, and kings, come from?

"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it." (Rev 21:24)

And why is there any healing required if there is a literal new heaven and earth?

"In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." (Rev 22:2)

No matter how you respond to those, this one is a tough nut to crack:

"One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever." (Ecc 1:4 KJV)

Philip

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>If you believe the world is getting better and better (not worse and worse), more and more Christian every day (not more anti-Christian(, you are not in the millennial yet, it will be realized when Christianity has Christianized the world, at the end of which (thousand years) the 2nd coming takes place, then you are a Post-millennialist.<<<

LOL! I believe the so-called “1000 year reign” has been over for quite some time, and Satan is deceiving the nations at this very moment. The best indicator of Satan’s arrival on the scene was the ease in which he was able to overthrow 400 years of tradition in our land with the invention of a nonsensical term like “separation of church and state;” and then was able to force the people to allow it to permeate our society: not ours only, but the entire world.

Philip

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>(Job 19:25-27 KJV) Plenty of Old Testament references to Christ who someday shall rule on the Earth, Phillip, if you are having trouble understanding the plain language in Revelation.<<<

There is NO plain language in the Revelation, past the first chapter; nor in the verse you quoted from Job. Young's Literal Translation gives the following for verse 25:

"That--I have known my Redeemer, The Living and the Last, For the dust he doth rise." (Job 19:25 YLT)

LOL! And how about this from the Psalms (King James Version?)

"Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest." (Isaiah 66:1)

Please show us, in the New Testament, where the Lord clearly states he will return to live on the earth, for any length of time. While you are at it, please explain the highlighted part of this passage:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged." (John 16:7-11 KJV)

Philip

[RoosterRedux]

How many Freepers have you asked that question, before today?

I just looked to be sure. None

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>If you have not seen it yet, Phil believes the second coming of Jesus Christ is time past. He believes it happened in 70AD.<<<

So did Jesus and every single one of his disciples. I am in good company. Prove me wrong, Redleg.

Philip

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>I just looked to be sure. None<<<

LOL!

[Alamo-Girl]

For the discussion, here's a survey of Freepers back in 2006, asking them how they think it'll all end.

I doubt there has been much change in the percentage distribution here over the various beliefs.

[Future Snake Eater]

It seems to be Earth and the timeline could be much longer than 1,000 years. All we know is that Satan will be locked up for 1,000 years; we have no clue how long he’ll be allowed to rile up people against Jesus and Christians again. It could be another 6,000 or more years for all we know.