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Bill Gates Supports Death Panels, Rationing Medical Advances
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Posted on 03/15/2014 5:23:17 AM PDT by franky8

It is funny–in both the ha-ha and ironical senses–that those who often scream most loudly against the “death panel” meme often follow, sotto voce, ”But we need death panels.” The fact is that most of those in the technocratic classes want to medically discriminate against those who are seen as health care “takers” or perceived to have a lower quality of life.

They’re just not sure how to get from “here” to “there,” and retain popular support. (Hint: They can’t.)

billgatesNow in a Rolling Stone interview, Bill Gates joins the chorus. He says–like bioethicist Daniel Callahan–that we have to be careful about making technological improvements in medicine because we won’t want to make them available to all. From the interview:

G:…If you accelerate certain things but aren’t careful about whether you want to make those innovations available to everyone, then you’re intensifying the cost in such a way that you’ll overwhelm all the resources.

RS: Like million-dollar chemotherapy treatments.

G: Yeah, or organ transplants for people in their seventies from new artificial organs being grown. There is a lot of medical technology for which, unless you can make judgments about who should buy it, you will have to invade other government functions to find the money. Joint replacement is another example. There are four or five of these innovations down the pipe that are huge, huge things.

RS: Yeah, but when people start talking about these issues, we start hearing loaded phrases like “death panels” and suggestions that government bureaucrats are going to decide when it’s time to pull the plug on Grandma.

G: The idea that there aren’t trade-offs is an outrageous thing. Most countries know that there are trade-offs, but here, we manage to have the notion that there aren’t any. So that’s unfortunate, to not have people think, “Hey, there are finite resources here.”

But they do want to have the government (or bioethics committees delegated the task by government) decide “when to pull the plug on grandma.” Moreover, ”trade offs” is a code term in this context for death panels.

A few points I made about these matters at the World Affairs Council symposium on Obamacare earlier this week:

Patients should be treated based on their individual circumstances, not as members of a “class” or group. Refusing wanted efficacious non-elective treatment is coercion–in essence, a duty to die. Death panels will destroy what shaky trust remains in our health care system, particularly, I think, among minority communities. Death panels undermine Hippocratic values and deprofessionalize medicine. Education is already promoting better, less expensive care decisions. Very few terminally ill people insist on ICU treatment at the end. Hospice participation now exceeds 40%. How can we justify refusing non-elective treatment based on invidious classifications when we keep expanding what we call “basic health care” to elective, life-style enhancing procedures and interventions? For example, in California today, gay and lesbian persons are legally entitled to expensive fertility treatments if they are covered by group health insurance–whether they are actually infertile or not. I only see this trend growing. If we have to cut back through regulatory changes, how about starting on elective interventions that don’t impact physical health? Medicare has paid countless millions on penile pumps and Viagra to allow 75-year-old men pretend they are 18 in the sack. I mean, c’mon! Yes, we have to find ways to control medical costs. But not through death panels! Not through invidious discrimination depriving people of non-elective or necessary care, while payment for coverage of life-style enhancers continues to increase.


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; abortion; billgates; deathpanels; gatesfoundation; microsoft; obamacare; rationedcare; windows; windowsintosouls; zerocare

1 posted on 03/15/2014 5:23:17 AM PDT by franky8
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To: franky8

Of course he does,it won’t affect him,he can pay for his doctor


2 posted on 03/15/2014 5:26:35 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: franky8

The sad part is, joint replacements for older adults have increased quality of life immensely for those folks.

I guess going forward more of them will be consigned to wheelchairs or life on the couch.


3 posted on 03/15/2014 5:33:47 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: franky8

Like German Industrialists of the 30’s believing they could control/be immune from the Fascist ideals of an Austrian Corporal, too many modern high tech mega CEO’s are falling into the same trap with a two-bit Cook County Community organizer and his handlers.

History doesn’t repeat but most often rhymes...


4 posted on 03/15/2014 5:37:34 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: headstamp 2

They will take care of that with euthanasia. And it will not really be voluntary because they will by then make euthanasia a noble thing.


5 posted on 03/15/2014 5:38:27 AM PDT by dforest
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To: franky8

I have a dear friend in her late 60’s who is in the process of dying from pancreatic cancer. She is at home being cared for lovingly by her family with the assistance of Hospice. She has not been eating for the past few weeks, although she could still eat if she wanted to do so. She is being kept comfortable with pain medicine and is still consuming liquids. As a retired NC state employee, she has insurance that would cover whatever treatment she wanted, but the family has decided, once her most recent round of chemotherapy at Duke Cancer Center did not improve the spots on her spine, that she will not seek further treatment. There was absolutely NO need for a “death panel” to have any role in a decision that is best made by the patient, her family, and her doctors!


6 posted on 03/15/2014 5:45:40 AM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: srmorton
Rockefeller's , Gates and Buffett are all population control at any means and have always have been sense they made their money.

Climate Change is nothing but population control

7 posted on 03/15/2014 5:52:18 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: franky8
The only thing Obamacare has brought the medical industry is shortages!

As to Gates, it is past time for me to switch strictly to Linux!

8 posted on 03/15/2014 5:57:52 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfusbutcher)
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To: franky8

I’d quit buying Microsoft except Apple is just as bad politically.


9 posted on 03/15/2014 6:00:41 AM PDT by ontap
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To: franky8

Fair warning to my fellow “Boomers”. Death panels will be our fate. If you don’t have the financial resources to pay for your treatment you are in trouble. The war on our generation has started


10 posted on 03/15/2014 6:01:06 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: headstamp 2
"The sad part is, joint replacements for older adults have increased quality of life immensely for those folks. I guess going forward more of them will be consigned to wheelchairs or life on the couch."

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11 posted on 03/15/2014 6:19:57 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: franky8

Bill Gates started out as an apolitical guy. He is a tech nerd who got schooled in politics when he hired Clinton administration defectees for his foundation. Now it seems he is their mouthpiece.


12 posted on 03/15/2014 6:25:12 AM PDT by Slyfox (When Jesus sees a momma holding her little baby, it reminds him of his own momma.)
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To: franky8
Of course he does. No matter what system they put in place, he can afford to go around it.

13 posted on 03/15/2014 6:26:00 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Slyfox

When people get a certain amount of money, they begin to see themselves as gods. That’s why so many of the really big money people turn into statists, with themselves running the state.


14 posted on 03/15/2014 6:30:27 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: franky8

Large amounts of “AMERICAN MADE MONEY” in AMERICA, those who made you what you are today, this amt of money rots your brain. The elitist mind set is one of mental disorder and arrogance


15 posted on 03/15/2014 6:50:08 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Zippy the a##clown sez..............)
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To: franky8

The elites have always believed in, and practiced, population control. It is easy to support government allocation of care when you are either the decision maker or a member of the protected class.

A prime example is the disabled scientist Stephen Hawking. If Hawking were an average UK worker, or even a professor in a 3rd tier school, he would have expired in the public health care system at least a decade ago. Having obtained international academic celebrity status his life has been continued for decades with medical care unavailable to the average taxpayer or citizen in the UK.

As health care in American declines rapidly for the masses, access to high level health care technology and medical procedures will be rationed and made available only to those who are politically connected and powerful. The desk jockey general will receive the digital printed kidney while the Medal of Honor winning corporal will exist on a dialysis machine until his body gives out. Former presidents, famous actors, media stars, and billionaires will have heart transplants in their 80’s while the average citizen will not be able to get a stent or valve replacement beyond age 70.

As time goes on it will be interesting to see how healthcare allocation decisions are made. Will unaccomplished fourth and fifth generation Kennedy family members have access to the best health care or will only those who have prominent government jobs or frequently show up in the press receive top tier medical support? How will a health care bureaucrat decide if a single liver for transplant should go to the alcoholic great grandson of a famous politician or the minority son of the mayor of a large city who happened to get stabbed at 3:00 am buying drugs in a bad neighborhood. Alternatively, will a female 70 year old alcoholic famous actress, who has a bused her body for years, receive the liver instead of an extremely talented and rising young white male concert pianist who accidentally contracted hepatitis by eating a hamburger prepared by an infected illegal immigrant fast food worker? Will a 75 year old grandmother who worked for 40 years as a nurse receive a hip replacement or will it go to the 22 year old son of a corporate executive who mangled his leg in a car accident driving his Porsche at 125 miles per hour on a city street?

I think we all know the answers to these questions. So the real question will be how will the elites hide their healthcare privileges from the toiling masses in order to avoid resentment and revolution?


16 posted on 03/15/2014 6:50:34 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: franky8
Ovens would be much more efficient and have a better result, Bill.

But I'm sure you already have that in mind.

17 posted on 03/15/2014 6:54:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: franky8

Even more scary are the articles written by Obamacare architect, Ezekiel Emanuel, who clearly advocates not “wasting” limited health care resources on the very young and the elderly. Emanuel makes many of the same cost saving arguments used by the Nazis to justify euthanizing the elderly, handicapped and others deemed having “life without life”.


18 posted on 03/15/2014 6:55:56 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: franky8

just wait until the 70-year old Bill Gates needs a hip replacement? Or a family member develops terminal cancer- and further treatment is not to worth it to the government


19 posted on 03/15/2014 6:56:25 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: franky8

If they had rationed computer technology like he wants to ration health care, he’d still be a pauper.


20 posted on 03/15/2014 7:05:03 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: srmorton
Her family decided she would not have treatment? Is she unable to carry out her own wishes? Does her doctor recommend any treatment?

Does this mean that no death panels are ever needed because this family chose a quicker death for their loved one? Or does it mean for others a death panel might be needed?

There are many, many questions that arise when others, family or not, get into the business of deciding how and when someone will die.

21 posted on 03/15/2014 7:06:44 AM PDT by Marylander
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

He’s too busy paying the 3rd world to practice abortion and birth control.


23 posted on 03/15/2014 7:24:56 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: franky8
Here is a solution to the problem Bill Gates poses: Get the government out of the business of providing cradle to grave non-essential health care.

No death panels needed, no sitting before a committee trying to convince them that your life is of more quality than someone else's, no feeling the obligation to die for the greater good.

24 posted on 03/15/2014 7:26:45 AM PDT by Marylander
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To: franky8

What a jerk. Quality of life is for the elite only.
He wants to limit our advancements in medical technology to the elite. He is definitely about population control. The more our technology is used, the cheaper it becomes.


25 posted on 03/15/2014 7:29:39 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: headstamp 2

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26 posted on 03/15/2014 7:57:42 AM PDT by Rock N Jones
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To: franky8

And his lovely wife, Melinda, has donated millions to Planned Infanticide.


27 posted on 03/15/2014 8:02:59 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed "Elderly Kooky Type" Catholic Texan)
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To: franky8

I wonder who Billy boy thinks are going to need joint replacements? High schoolers?


28 posted on 03/15/2014 8:06:47 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
if you don't have the financial resources to pay for treatment you are in trouble

It isn't just financial resources. It's knowledge. A lot of times a natural treatment might be slightly more risky, but if successful has a better permanent outcome. It all depends on the individual, yet the medical profession is so wrapped up in what's insured and allowed and oh yes what will give them the most profit that it's really hard to know what's best.

29 posted on 03/15/2014 8:08:19 AM PDT by grania
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To: franky8

Typical lib thinking. Deprive seniors of medical care so you can kill them off, saving money from medicare and social security.


30 posted on 03/15/2014 8:12:28 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: franky8
So that’s unfortunate, to not have people think, “Hey, there are finite resources here.”

Stupid git.

The answer is not, "give people a smaller piece of pie" but to bake MORE pies.

When it comes to finite resources you can always find a way if you want to. For example the drug "Taxol". Following his advise we limit who gets the drug because it comes from a rather rare Yew tree and it takes one tree to make one dose of drug. That was the case from 1960-1990.

But because the company began to make the drug in 1991 was in the business of selling as much as they could (IE pie baking) they found there was another smaller Yew tree that contained a more abundant supply of an agent similar to the first. So now we have mass production. And then they were able to develop a synthetic form that has fewer side effects then the natural drug.

So Bill, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

31 posted on 03/15/2014 8:18:08 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: franky8

I don’t think Bill Gates will be too happy at the moment of his death if this is what he is advocating.


32 posted on 03/15/2014 9:09:21 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Marylander
She was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer two years ago and received wonderful treatment at the Duke Cancer center. Her pancreas was and still is completely free of cancer. Unfortunately, it metastasized to the spine and is now in the liver. Her last round of chemotherapy was not successful and she is not going to go through it again.

This woman is a highly educated, former school principal and she is fully capable of making her own decisions. I am also an educator who is a former Medical Laboratory Technologist so I have a background in health care. I say with confidence that there is no need for an arbitrary group of individuals who may or may not have any medical knowledge and who will make such decisions based totally on cost. My point was that these end of life events tend to take care of themselves without the need for intervention by any sort of panel.

Coincidentally, I just got home from the funeral of another woman of similar age who was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer at about the same time as my friend. Her family was also able to care for her at home until her death which occurred when the Lord chose to call her home this past Tuesday. A third dear friend was diagnosed with Stage IV pancreatic cancer at about the same time as the other two. He lived only three months, but was able to spend that time at home with his beautiful wife and two college age children. He died just before it was time for them to return to school, so once again God's timing was perfect.

33 posted on 03/15/2014 10:22:53 AM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: franky8

He’s also an anti-gun nut, including collusion with the Washington State House, for some gun bills, that died in voter referendums.


34 posted on 03/15/2014 3:42:52 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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bkmk


35 posted on 03/24/2014 9:59:00 AM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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