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Another church gets a new Communion rail!
WDTPRS ^ | March 17, 2014 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 03/17/2014 7:43:57 AM PDT by NYer

The other day I posted about the installation of a new Communion rail in the Church of St. Mary in Pine Bluff, WI. HERE

Now I read that a new rail will be installed in St. Joseph’s Church in Macon, GA.

From Southern Orders (excerpt):

The unanimous consensus was conveyed to Bishop Hartmayer [in the diocese of Savannah] and he approved of the decision. Then a small fund raiser was carried out and as if God Himself endorsed our plan, out of the blue a large, large bequest was given to us in a Last Will and Testament of a wonderful parishioner who requested her bequest be used for sanctuary improvements only!

All this took place within a year! And yesterday, March 14th, 2014, almost ten years after the decision was made to remove the altar railing, Bishop Hartmayer signed the contract to have the construction begin.

The extension of the floor should start in about a couple of weeks. The marble and brass gates will take longer to fabricate but I pray it will be installed in the next six months. But the floor will be ready to receive it when it arrives.

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Fr. Z Kudos to Bp. Hartmayer, and to the VG there, and to the pastor Fr. McDonald.

This, dear readers, is the way we need to go. This does more for the New Evangelization than any number of initiatives you might dream up.

Don’t be shaken. Don’t be anxious or downhearted. Do not flag. Do not waiver.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Prayer; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; communion; communionrail; eucharist; frjohnzuhlsdorf; sacraments

1 posted on 03/17/2014 7:43:57 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/17/2014 7:44:13 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

God always provides. His timetable isn’t always the same as ours, but he still ALWAYS provides.


3 posted on 03/17/2014 7:47:48 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: NYer

It will come to all of our churches. Pray and pray and pray.


4 posted on 03/17/2014 7:54:48 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
Meanwhile, back in L.A. . . .

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5 posted on 03/17/2014 8:17:25 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Seriously, what the h*ll is that???

This took place in a Catholic church?


6 posted on 03/17/2014 8:19:23 AM PDT by warsaw44
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To: warsaw44

That is the opening rite to the LOS ANGELES RELIGIOUS EDUCATION CONGRESS at the Anaheim convention Center.

Buffoonery on parade.


7 posted on 03/17/2014 8:23:40 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: NYer

How does this work in a “Novus Ordo” Mass? Is it still celebrated that way but at the time to receive Communion the communicants go up to the rail and kneel?

Is the Precious Blood distributed in this fashion as well?


8 posted on 03/17/2014 8:25:24 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Was that an opening to a Mass?


9 posted on 03/17/2014 8:26:12 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

I don’t think so.


10 posted on 03/17/2014 8:27:21 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Well thank God for that at least.


11 posted on 03/17/2014 8:29:34 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Jeff Chandler

That poor bishop looks so sad.


12 posted on 03/17/2014 8:30:43 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

The more fool he, then. As chief liturgist of the Diocese, he could have preemptively stopped this. If he didns’dt know his sort of thing would happen, he’s been asleep at the wheel.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 8:43:04 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (:o/)
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To: FourtySeven

Um...........One problem, what about those with bad knees? As wonderful as holy communion rails are, they can become really, really problematic for folks like me who have bad knees.


14 posted on 03/17/2014 8:51:48 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Jeff Chandler

OMG!!! OMG!!!! God will NOT be mocked!!!


15 posted on 03/17/2014 8:56:37 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Biggirl

You stand.


16 posted on 03/17/2014 8:57:42 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NYer

[sigh]...The planet is burning with the malevolence of the Evil One, the need to bring souls to Christ has never been greater, we may indeed be on the verge of the Second Coming....and we’re dickering over whether to stand or kneel for Communion, and in precisely which place in the building.

Drives me almost as nuts as five years of Vatican deliberations on whether to say “one in being” or “consubstantial” during the Creed.


17 posted on 03/17/2014 9:01:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Biggirl

Offer it up to the souls in Purgatory.


18 posted on 03/17/2014 9:04:34 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Just to be clear, I’m not “dickering” about kneeling or not kneeling for Communion, or whether a church should have a Communion rail. I was just wondering given the presence of a Communion rail, how does that work with the “Novus Ordo”.

Do the communicants kneel to receive Communion, to they all stand (those with and without health problems) do they still receive in a line or do they stand/kneel at the rail.

I was only asking these questions out of curiosity, not to argue about it, as the only time I’ve participated in a Mass where a Communion rail was present it was a Traditional Latin Mass, not the Novus Ordo.


19 posted on 03/17/2014 9:11:21 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMT1GuezOHM&list=PL1A99C761F904B8F1

Holy Toledo...


20 posted on 03/17/2014 9:15:48 AM PDT by warsaw44
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To: Ann Archy; Mrs. Don-o; Jeff Chandler
If you all had taken the time to visit the site for this you would have found out that this was a stage presentation at the start of the conference. They were dancing to the song "Set the World on Fire" which was about setting the world on fire by loving and praising God. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this.

Go visit the site at http://www.recongress.org/ for more information. If you still believe that the only proper way to worship and share God is to sit still in a pew on Sunday mornings you're really missing the boat.

21 posted on 03/17/2014 9:16:58 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: NYer

I love this.


22 posted on 03/17/2014 9:19:52 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
I admit my fault. If it was just a stage performance and not a liturgy, it okey-dokey.

We used to do stuff like that at Camp Kateri when I was 8.It probably helped me rejoice in the Lord til the s'mores got done.

23 posted on 03/17/2014 9:23:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.")
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To: Jeff Chandler

Disgraceful and disrespectful at the very least.


24 posted on 03/17/2014 9:24:18 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; 2nd amendment mama
We used to do stuff like that at Camp Kateri when I was 8.

There ya go.

25 posted on 03/17/2014 9:47:25 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

They aren’t ‘loving and praising God’, even if they think so. They are indulging in human primal urges which is an open door to the devil.


26 posted on 03/17/2014 9:51:25 AM PDT by steve86 (to the nearest on-shore cell tower or repeater).)
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To: steve86

Oh...so tell me, oh perfect one, what is the proper way to “love and praise” God? Is it to sit perfectly still and quiet in the pew on Sunday mornings only? What are your approved songs? I guess you should instruct the Archdiocese of Los Angeles on the proper way to praise God. This was their conference.


27 posted on 03/17/2014 9:59:56 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: NYer

We haven’t gotten a communion rail yet but we did get the Tabernacle moved from it’s “nook” to better behind the altar. We’re using the vacated space in the nook for an old school “candle altar” (not sure if that is the term). We’re installing it just in time for the Easter Vigil.


28 posted on 03/17/2014 10:04:57 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

They aren’t praising God they are celebrating and rejoicing in their primal animal nature, causing them to be deluded and open to other demonic suggestions.


29 posted on 03/17/2014 10:16:56 AM PDT by steve86 (to the nearest on-shore cell tower or repeater).)
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To: steve86
They aren’t praising God they are celebrating and rejoicing in their primal animal nature, causing them to be deluded and open to other demonic suggestions.

So, do you believe you are God because you are determining what is in their hearts and minds? Who are you to determine that they are not praising God? You haven't explained to me what "proper" praise looks and sounds like.

30 posted on 03/17/2014 10:28:09 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: steve86
They aren’t ‘loving and praising God’, even if they think so. They are indulging in human primal urges which is an open door to the devil.

It smacks of exhibitionism at the very least. "Look at me"!

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

31 posted on 03/17/2014 11:27:17 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: 2nd amendment mama; Religion Moderator
"So, do you believe you are God"

You are continually posting "I'm reading your mind" type comments which, I believe, are a violation of rules of the religion forum.

In answer to your earlier question - what constitutes acceptable music for worship -- type this into a search bar for a start: "traditional liturgical sacred music".

And as a more general reply: No, I don't take it that uninhibited Jim Jone's type gyrations necessarily constitute worship, although the participants may be deluded into thinking they are. True liturgical dance is directed by the Holy Spirit, not the endocrine system.

32 posted on 03/17/2014 11:37:48 AM PDT by steve86 (to the nearest on-shore cell tower or repeater).)
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To: Jeff Chandler

BUT - Fr. Barron was there with our new Archbishop Gomez. It was FINALLY way conservative and orthodox. You cannot expect all the dancers to just go home — it’s LA, right?? We celebrate our new Archbishop!


33 posted on 03/17/2014 1:14:52 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Biggirl

If one has bad knees, is in a wheelchair or has some other physical ailment preventing them from kneeling, then they are not expected to kneel for Communion.


34 posted on 03/17/2014 1:52:42 PM PDT by ELS
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To: warsaw44

I think the guy with the wok was cooking kung pao chicken.


35 posted on 03/17/2014 4:17:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: warsaw44

this is crazy, how can he get away with this?


36 posted on 03/17/2014 4:30:24 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Are you a Catholic??


37 posted on 03/17/2014 4:32:35 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
We haven’t gotten a communion rail yet but we did get the Tabernacle moved from it’s “nook” to better behind the altar.

YES!

Jesus Christ is and should always be center in our lives, be it at home or at church. This is truly wonderful news.

38 posted on 03/17/2014 4:37:39 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: FourtySeven
I'm probably qualified to answer that question, since I used to be an Episcopalian - they never stopped kneeling at the rail to receive, although they receive only in the hand. I've also attended the local FSSP parish (full dress EF Mass with the readings chanted in Latin, the works.)

If for some reason you can't kneel, you simply stand at the rail. The priest is quite close enough to administer communion to anyone who has to stand.

To turn it round the other way, if you're at an NO and you want to kneel, even if there is no rail, you can. It doesn't freak them out unless you're in a really goofy parish, and then I don't just out of being a good guest.

39 posted on 03/17/2014 4:53:17 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
No, it was termed the "Opening Rite" and it was therefore not a "stage presentation" but a Rite i.e. a church service. That one fool woman is dancing around with the Gospels, from which the bishop then reads.

This has been an ongoing problem in LA, so this is not the only incident of this liturgical "dancing". It happens frequently during Mass as well.

The first problem is that it is not appropriate or correct for Catholic worship, nothing in the tradition justifies it. It all started when a few American bishops took a loophole intended for third-world converts with a strong religious dance tradition, and let the Jules Feiffer ladies in the door.

The second problem is (and I'm speaking as a trained dancer who holds two teaching certificates in two dance disciplines) these people are lousy dancers who couldn't get a gig ANYWHERE else. The man looks like he's just slouching along in street clothes, the second lady in pink has no business appearing anywhere in a leotard, and the three ladies in tie-die (tie-die!) are completely out of alignment in their out-of-synch gyrations.

These people take advantage of the artistic ignorance of the clergy.

They did have a Friday concert, at which a couple of Irish step dancers performed. They were pretty good -

40 posted on 03/17/2014 5:06:30 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Ann Archy

By who’s definition? I was baptized Catholic as an infant. However, I no longer am a member nor do I practice as a Catholic. I’m a member of a non-denominational church.


41 posted on 03/17/2014 5:58:14 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

42 posted on 03/17/2014 7:04:25 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
I was discussing the issues. Said FReeper said "They aren’t ‘loving and praising God’, even if they think so. They are indulging in human primal urges which is an open door to the devil."

I simply asked him how he knew what was in their heart and mind. I asked what the proper way to praise God is? By who's standards? Am I allowed to reply when a poster asks me a direct question?

43 posted on 03/17/2014 7:40:29 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
You are welcome to ask questions and debunk or explain, etc. on "open" Religion Forum threads. But do not target the other Freeper personally because that is "making it personal" - it tends to incite flame wars.

If you had asked "Do you know what is in their hearts and minds?" I would have said nothing. But you said "So, do you believe you are God because you are determining what is in their hearts and minds?"

44 posted on 03/17/2014 7:47:50 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Got it.


45 posted on 03/17/2014 7:51:36 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I thought you would say that. Thanks for being honest.


46 posted on 03/18/2014 2:39:41 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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