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Gay Bishop Gene Robinson Asks Pope Francis to Change Doctrine Branding Homosexuality a Disorder
Christian Post ^ | 03/18/2014 | Stoyan Zaimov

Posted on 03/18/2014 1:50:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Gene Robinson, recognized as the first openly gay bishop in a major Protestant denomination, has called on Pope Francis to change the Roman Catholic Church's official doctrine that defines homosexuality as a disorder, arguing that such a teaching is "the basis for discrimination, rejection and violence the world over."

The Vatican has repeatedly said that Pope Francis is not seeking to make doctrine changes, however.

"If Pope Francis is to be believed in all the kindly pronouncements of his first year (and I do), his good tone should be followed by the tough work of changing the systems of belief, doctrine and religious practice which perpetuate the victimization of those he seeks to serve," Robinson, who was installed as bishop of the Diocese of New Hampshire in the Episcopal Church in 2004 and retired in 2013, wrote in an article for The Daily Beast on Sunday.

The retired bishop shared that he loves the new pope and that he prays for him every day, describing his commitment to the poor as "exemplary and legendary."

He also praised Francis for the change in tone he has brought to the Catholic Church in its attitude toward gay people, most famously with his remark to reporters last year: "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?"

Robinson wrote, however, that the Vatican officially brands gay people as "intrinsically disordered." He argued that such judgment is "the basis for discrimination, rejection and violence the world over."

Adding that he realizes that such a big change in doctrine will not happen overnight, Robinson suggested that under Francis' leadership, the church body "may have the best chance at giving it a serious try."

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states about homosexual attraction:

"This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. "

Pope Francis and Vatican officials have repeatedly affirmed traditional marriage, even in talk that the church body might look into certain cases of civil unions.

"Matrimony is between a man and a woman," the pope said in a recent interview with Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, while adding that "diverse situations of cohabitation [are] driven by the need to regulate economic aspects among persons, as for instance to assure medical care."

Media reports on Pope Francis' stance on LGBT issues have sometimes been criticized, and what is often not quoted is his explanation after the "Who am I to judge?" line:

"The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well. It says one must not marginalize these persons, they must be integrated into society. The problem isn't this (homosexual) orientation – we must be like brothers and sisters. The problem is something else, the problem is lobbying either for this orientation or a political lobby or a Masonic lobby," the Vatican leader said.


TOPICS: Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: disorder; generobinson; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; popefrancis
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1 posted on 03/18/2014 1:50:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The beauty of an unchanging infinite God is that what was right and wrong is still right and wrong.


2 posted on 03/18/2014 1:50:57 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

No.


3 posted on 03/18/2014 1:56:45 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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To: SeekAndFind

If this false prophet desires to meet the Lord of Hosts in pleasant circumstances, I suggest he repent of his heinous sin. He should have been expelled from the body long ago. Much is the shame of the American Episcopal church.


4 posted on 03/18/2014 1:57:50 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: SeekAndFind

He can call it whatever he likes but he should realize that The Pope cannot change Scripture.


5 posted on 03/18/2014 1:59:00 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("H)
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To: SeekAndFind

Genie, baby, God says it’s a disorder. You have a prob, take it up with Him.


6 posted on 03/18/2014 2:01:00 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tryting to change the definition of a vile, perverted practice into normality makes as much sense as trying to redefine the color of the sky or the state of the water.

The outrageous behavior and impudent affrontery and arrogance of the homosexual lobby demonstrates better than anything else the bankruptcy of the concept of tolerance when it comes to these creatures.

They want endorsment not tolerance.


7 posted on 03/18/2014 2:01:50 PM PDT by ZULU (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about adultery and fornication, Gene?


8 posted on 03/18/2014 2:02:05 PM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: SeekAndFind

The pope can no more change God’s thoughts on sodomy as he can he can the 10 commandments.


9 posted on 03/18/2014 2:03:27 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Disorder?? Perversion is a better description.


10 posted on 03/18/2014 2:03:38 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

openly gay bishop in a major Protestant denomination,

I am at a loss.
Yes all are sinners. The goal is to stop sinning, repent your sin and accept Jesus Christ.
So a drunkard can stop drinking repent and accept Jesus. all is good
However a drunkard can not keep drinking, not repent and not accept Jesus and all be good............
So how can an openly homosexual be a Bishop? He obviously has spit on the word of God. How then can he spread the word to others?


11 posted on 03/18/2014 2:04:14 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: SeekAndFind

If he’s homosexually “ active” he has no business as a Christian cleric. It’s an affront to God and the church and a disservice to the flock.


12 posted on 03/18/2014 2:04:49 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("H)
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To: MrB

Ah those crazy Protestants never change always thinking they can tell the Pope what to do.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 2:05:12 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: SeekAndFind

15 posted on 03/18/2014 2:05:52 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: MrB
I'm pretty sure that the Catholic Church doesn't call homosexuality a "disorder". It calls it "sin".

And we're ALL sinners, Mr. Robinson.

Why are gays the ONLY ones clamoring to not have their behavior called a sin?

I've been a pretty sinful guy in my life, but it would never occur to me to claim that what I've done was "just peachy" with God.

That would be the definition of hubris.

16 posted on 03/18/2014 2:07:04 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Could a Catholic give a SIMPLE (yes or no) answer to this question:
If the Pope did suddenly say that homosexuality or homosexual acts are no longer a sin, would that make it so in the Catholic religion?


17 posted on 03/18/2014 2:08:50 PM PDT by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Gene Robinson, ‘father’ of the destruction of a major Protestant religion.
Homosexual adulterer, yeah that’s who I want to follow. /s


18 posted on 03/18/2014 2:09:43 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: SeekAndFind

I like your thread on the Muslim convert better.


19 posted on 03/18/2014 2:10:13 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: Vinnie

RE: Gene Robinson, ‘father’ of the destruction of a major Protestant religion.

The blame goes up even higher — to those who ORDAINED him as Bishop.

And based on his orientation, I’m not even sure of Gene Robinson wants the term ‘father” used for him. :)


20 posted on 03/18/2014 2:13:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: bramps

It would mean that either he never was the Pope, or that he had just ceased to be Pope.


21 posted on 03/18/2014 2:18:51 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: MrB

The good bishop should ask God to change His policy towards homosexuals.


22 posted on 03/18/2014 2:21:24 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
How then can he spread the word to others?

Last I heard of this soggy saga, he's still in his cups a lot.

This active alcoholic dumped his wife and kids to shack up with a guy and embrace the gay lifestyle, not to mention proselytizing to those that don't.

Great choice by the Episcopalians...

23 posted on 03/18/2014 2:21:35 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: TexasCajun
BISHOP GENE ROBINSON AND PARTNER, MARK ANDREW

24 posted on 03/18/2014 2:23:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Robinson wrote, however, that the Vatican officially brands gay people as 'intrinsically disordered.' He argued that such judgment is 'the basis for discrimination, rejection and violence the world over.'"

This guy is an idiot. Cancer is a disordered condition as well, but people don't beat up on its victims.

25 posted on 03/18/2014 2:26:40 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: bramps
If the Pope did suddenly say that homosexuality or homosexual acts are no longer a sin, would that make it so in the Catholic religion?

NO!

26 posted on 03/18/2014 2:27:25 PM PDT by painter ( Isaiah: “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: MrB

Discrimination is a GOOD thing.


27 posted on 03/18/2014 2:28:38 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SeekAndFind
It seems like, to me, a vagina -- as a man -- would be more desirable than a man’s anus," Robertson told GQ. "That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”
28 posted on 03/18/2014 2:32:25 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Someone explain the whole Protestant/Catholic thing to the poor bishop. He seems confused. Maybe the name Martin Luther will ring a bell.


29 posted on 03/18/2014 2:34:21 PM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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To: bramps; Arthur McGowan
If the Pope did suddenly say that homosexuality or homosexual acts are no longer a sin, would that make it so in the Catholic religion?

No.

(Note: if you want to talk to a leftist, "heterodox" catholic -- possibly some Dhim relative or in-law, you will need a bit more than that, though)

30 posted on 03/18/2014 2:35:26 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: SeekAndFind; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; CynicalBear; ...

The Episcopal Church?

Isn’t that the only Protestant denomination that Catholics will accept ordained Episcopalian ministers into the Catholic church as priests from?

Seems to me I’ve heard of several accounts of Episcopalian ministers who have left their church for the RCC.

I find it odd that while the Catholic church condemns Protestant churches for being too liberal in that area, that they’ll accept the ordination of men from the very denominations they condemn.


31 posted on 03/18/2014 2:36:06 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d like to see the Pope respond to this directly by calling on Robinson to repent and be saved. I can dream can’t I?


32 posted on 03/18/2014 2:36:10 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: SeekAndFind

Will truth ever reign again? Evil reigns now.


33 posted on 03/18/2014 2:36:39 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mostly this guy has always been a fame whore.


34 posted on 03/18/2014 2:37:49 PM PDT by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
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To: Last Dakotan

RE: I’d like to see the Pope respond to this directly by calling on Robinson to repent and be saved.

I highly doubt of Gene Robinson’s message will ever reach Pope Francis, and if it does, he’ll most probably just ignore it as another one of those similar nuisance demands that come from everywhere else.


35 posted on 03/18/2014 2:40:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: metmom
I find it odd that while the Catholic church condemns Protestant churches for being too liberal in that area, that they’ll accept the ordination of men from the very denominations they condemn.

Sorry to break it to you, but Episcopal "ordinations" are invalid.

Any Episcopal minister who becomes Catholic and is allowed to continue in his ministry must receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders. The same as a Presbyterian minister or a Lutheran minister.

The only others that have valid Holy Orders are the Orthodox (e.g., Greek Orthodox, Syrian Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, etc.)

36 posted on 03/18/2014 2:42:54 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks like Gene and his honey hitting the slopes in Red Hampshire for a little...well, never mind. State is full of perverts and angry feminists.


37 posted on 03/18/2014 2:44:17 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course, homosexual perversion is objectively disordered. That makes retired “bishop” Vicki Gene Robinson objectively disordered. Then there is the matter that “bishop” Vicki Gene is an Episcopalian and that Catholic doctrine is none of his infernal business.


38 posted on 03/18/2014 2:44:26 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: markomalley

I thought, according to Catholics, the authority to bind on earth was given to Peter and consequently down the line to future Popes?


39 posted on 03/18/2014 2:44:45 PM PDT by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: bramps
I thought, according to Catholics, the authority to bind on earth was given to Peter and consequently down the line to future Popes?

(Actually, it's all bishops)

Nonetheless, that means the ability to forgive or retain sins.

That doesn't mean that a Pope suddenly has the authority to nullify Sacred Scripture.

40 posted on 03/18/2014 2:47:16 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: SeekAndFind

If we could just get rid of a few pesky commandments too, it would be great.


41 posted on 03/18/2014 2:49:56 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: bramps

No.

There have been some really sinful popes in the past. They can be quite fallible in their actions, thoughts and personal opinions.

Popes are only infallible in the exercise of the office as shepherd and teacher. Papal infallibility is based on his adherence to scripture, tradition and magisterium (which is dependent on scripture).

As homosexual acts are clearly wrong, as described in the Bible, and that the Church has never accepted homosexual acts as anything but sinful, the Pope would have no basis on which to change Church dogma on homosexuality. It would thus be his opinion, and nothing more.


42 posted on 03/18/2014 2:51:19 PM PDT by kidd
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To: metmom
I find it odd that while the Catholic church condemns Protestant churches for being too liberal in that area, that they’ll accept the ordination of men from the very denominations they condemn.,p> It is not that simple. Look into it.
43 posted on 03/18/2014 2:57:33 PM PDT by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: boop

I’m pretty sure that the Catholic Church doesn’t call homosexuality a “disorder”. It calls it “sin”.


Actually, the Church does use the term “disordered” to describe homosexuality. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.


44 posted on 03/18/2014 3:03:07 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: SeekAndFind
Jesus Christ is the son of God and died on the cross for our sins. Jesus taught (Mark 10): "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one flesh."

Gene Robinson is a pervert who abandoned his own daughters (ages 7 and 11) and left a romantic relationship with their mother to start a romantic relationship with someone younger. If a straight man had done that, he would be universally condemned, even by the far left, but since the new relationship was with another man, the left celebrates his abandonment of his family.

I suspect the Pope will have no trouble deciding whether to follow Jesus or Gene.

45 posted on 03/18/2014 3:13:38 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: metmom

I find it odd that while the Catholic church condemns Protestant churches for being too liberal in that area, that they’ll accept the ordination of men from the very denominations they condemn.


I believe most of those ministers are leaving or have left the Episcopal Church because of those liberal policies and are in accord with the teachings of the Catholic Church in that area.


46 posted on 03/18/2014 3:14:27 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: SeekAndFind
Gay Bishop Gene Robinson Asks Pope Francis to Change Doctrine Branding Homosexuality a Disorder

Shouldn't 'he' be asking Someone a little higher up the chain of command??




The Health Risks of gay sex.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html

 

Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Doonesbury Cartoon for Feb/08/2013

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 
 
 
 
 
 


The Health Risks of gay sex.


47 posted on 03/18/2014 3:15:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Gene Robinson, recognized as the first openly gay bishop in a major Protestant denomination,

Who's afraid to say Episcopal ???

48 posted on 03/18/2014 3:16:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Should have included the wife he divorced and the two kids he abandoned in the bishop’s family portrait.


49 posted on 03/18/2014 3:17:57 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: SECURE AMERICA
So how can an openly homosexual be a Bishop?

Sounds like a management problem to me.


1 Corinthians 5:1
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans...

50 posted on 03/18/2014 3:18:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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