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On Suffering as A Remedy for Something Worse. A Meditation on a Teaching from St. Augustine
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 3/18/2014 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 03/19/2014 1:27:33 AM PDT by markomalley

When asked, most people identify their most serious problems as issues related to their physical health, or finances. Family and career issues also rank up there.

But frankly, our biggest problem is pride, and all the sins that flow from it. Nothing is more serious than our sins, which can destroy us forever. Worldly problems are temporary. The worst they can do is to make life unpleasant, or kill us; then we get to go home and meet God if are faithful.

Therefore, to God our most serious problem is our sin. This was well-illustrated when, at one point in the Gospels, a paralyzed man was presented to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said “Your sins are forgiven.” Yes, that’s right, Jesus looked at a paralyzed man and saw his sins as the most serious thing to be dealt with first.

We don’t think like this. And even when taught that we ought to think like this, we still don’t think like this.

But since it is true that pride is our most serious problem, and all the sins that flow from it, then we do well to ponder how suffering can be one of the things that God permits in our life so as to keep us from becoming too prideful. For to God, it is better that we suffer some here, learn humility and be saved, than to remain prideful and go to Hell.

Personally, I will say, I have gifts and blessings. But if it weren’t for some degree of suffering, and humiliation in my life, I’d be so proud I’d go right to Hell. There’s just something about suffering that can keep us very humble, and calling on God.

St. Augustine reflects on this in his great work, The City of God. The work, which he considered his greatest, was occasioned by the decline of the Roman Empire and the sacking of the city of Rome by barbarians under Alaric in 410 AD. Augustine wrote the work to ponder how a once mighty empire had fallen into such decay.

There were of course many sufferings inflicted on the citizens of Rome by the Barbarians. “Sacks” are not pleasant events.  Some were killed, many women were raped, grave damage was inflicted on the city, and the property of many was damaged and taken.

In chapter 28 of the City of God, Augustine ponders why God would have allowed such suffering, especially to the Christians of that city, and in particular to the Christian women of virtue who were raped.

At times, his reflections seem almost unsympathetic. But in effect, St. Augustine points to humiliation and suffering as a strong but necessary medicine for pride, which is far worse than any of the ills suffered to remedy it.

St. Augustine begins by disclaiming any ability to offer a complete explanation for suffering. He says:

If you ask me why they [the Barbarians] were allowed the liberty of committing these sins, the answer is that the providence of the Creator and Ruler of the world transcends human reckoning, and that “incomprehensible are his judgments… unsearchable his ways.

But Augustine then adds (somewhat boldly) to those in Rome who suffered:

Nevertheless, carefully scrutinize your own souls and see whether you were not unduly puffed up about your virtue.

And he ponders:

They [those who suffered] may possibly have in them some latent weakness which could have swollen to overwhelming pride had they escaped this humiliation….So violence snatched something away from them lest prosperity should endanger them.

He goes on to conclude:

But they learned humility… And were delivered from a pride that had already overtaken them…a pride that threatened them.

And what of us who have suffered? We ought not to exclude the possibility, even the likelihood, that such suffering is permitted by God in order to humble us and keep us from a far worse enemy called pride.

As such, we must also conclude that when God allows suffering for this purpose he also gives grace so as to help us avoid extreme anger or despair. And thus St. Augustine concludes his reflection:

God would never have permitted these evils if they could destroy in his saints that purity of soul which he had bestowed on them and delights to see in them.

Reflections such as these do not generally please modern ears. We do not usually like the notion that God permits suffering for some greater good. Too easily we call him unfair and harsh for doing such a thing. We prefer to think of him as a doting grandfather rather than the disciplining father described in Hebrews 12:4ff.

Our dismissal of suffering as a medicine is largely because we fail to see just how serious a sin pride is. We are dismissive of the serious toll that sin takes upon us, and the extreme danger that it causes in our hearts. Hence we reject any medicine at all, let alone strong medicine. But God will not spare us merely to please us if in sparing us he would lose us.

Suffering a course is complex and mysterious. That God permits it cannot be explained by any one thing. But as Saint Augustine makes clear, we ought not to overlook the salutary effect that suffering can bring through the humility it engenders.

That, in and of itself, is a very good thing; for pride is our worst enemy.

This song, translated from the Latin says:

Sadness and anxiety
have overtaken my inmost being.
My heart is made sorrowful in mourning,
my eyes are become dim.
Woe is me, for I have sinned.

But you, Lord,
who does not forsake
those who hope in you,
comfort and help me
for your holy name’s sake,
and have mercy on me.

TOPICS: Catholic

1 posted on 03/19/2014 1:27:33 AM PDT by markomalley
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2 posted on 03/19/2014 1:27:54 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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Heh, And some people blame the suffering person for their own suffering, saying it’s their own fault.

3 posted on 03/19/2014 1:32:29 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: markomalley

Having been through poverty, meningitis,death,cancer, divorce, poverty again, divorce(yes again),and many other serious debilitating illnesses, not by my own power, but by the grace of God,(and in spite of me) I agree 100% with what St. Augustine says.

I remember reading all of the tribulations of St. Teresa of Avila and how she was crippled for years, actually pronounced dead and wax dropped in her eyes, only to awaken near the end of the wake.

When we are full of ourselves we have no room for God. Thus the great fall in the near future for our country is, at a higher level of understanding, truly a blessing.

This is a very timely posting. Thank you for posting the very important message.

4 posted on 03/19/2014 3:56:08 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: markomalley

By the way, the pill that eases the transition from pride to humility is gratitude.

I had a vision a few years ago where I was shown the importance of aligning my individual identity with God’s Will in order to forgo smashing my ego to dust through trials and tribulations. The trials and tribulations are merely the guardrails to keep us on the correct path.

5 posted on 03/19/2014 4:00:37 AM PDT by tired&retired
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Summary of St. Augustine’s City of God per Sparknotes

In A.D. 410, a pivotal moment in Western history, the Vandals, under the command of their king, Alaric, captured the city of Rome. Rome was known as the Eternal City because the Romans thought that it would literally never fall, and the year 410 shook this belief to its foundations and ultimately led to the collapse of the Roman Empire. The world itself seemed to have been destroyed, and everyone sought answers about what to do and what to believe in.

Those who adhered to the waning pagan faith were quick to blame the Christians, claiming that the gods had abandoned Rome because many Romans had forsaken them and taken the new faith. These Romans claimed that Christians were not patriotic enough because they asked people to serve God rather than the state, and they advocated forgiveness toward enemies. More important, they said the Christian God had failed to protect Rome, as he should have done, since Constantine had declared him to be the one true God. The angry wrangling between the two communities prompted Augustine to begin writing The City of God in 413.

The first ten books of The City of God, which make up the first part of the work, refute the pagans’ charges that Christians brought about the fall of Rome. The first five books deal with the pagan belief that people must worship the old gods to achieve material advantages in this world, including the continuation of the Roman Empire and the supremacy of the city of Rome.

In book I, Augustine attacks the pagans, who claimed that Rome fell because the Christian religion had weakened it, and he stresses that misfortune happens to everyone.

In book II, he demonstrates that the fall of Rome is not a unique event in human history. The Romans suffered calamities before, even when the old gods were being actively worshiped, and those gods did nothing to prevent those calamities from happening. He suggests Romans became weak because of these gods, since they gave themselves up to moral and spiritual corruption.

In book III, Augustine continues discussing catastrophes that occurred in pagan times to further prove that Christianity did not cause Rome to fall. To drive home his point, he asks again why the old gods did not defend Rome in the past.

In book IV, Augustine suggests an alternative view. Rome endured for many centuries because it was the will of the true God, and its survival had nothing to do with pagan gods such as Jove, who behaved only in the lowest manner.

To continue reading:

6 posted on 03/19/2014 4:11:54 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: markomalley

I always get a kick out of folks that say things like “How can God let this happen?”

As if God’s purpose is to serve them - to make them comfortable.

People serve God, not the other way around. Life and strife go hand in hand. It’s up to us to deal with it as best we can.

7 posted on 03/19/2014 4:54:08 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: tired&retired
St Augustine, City of God (full text)
8 posted on 03/19/2014 4:59:33 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: tired&retired

I agree. Pride is being full of ourselves and not acknowledging God as the source of our being. Being “broken” through the humbling experiences of addiction, divorce, sickness or other trials can actually be a blessing by instilling humility in a person. In AA we call it being “right-sized.”

9 posted on 03/19/2014 5:55:14 AM PDT by madmominct
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To: markomalley
for the non believer the Socrates concept of “wisdom is knowing you know nothing” fit exactly in with this
10 posted on 03/19/2014 6:07:06 AM PDT by tophat9000 (Are we headed to a Cracker Slacker War?)
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To: fruser1; markomalley

Luther had a little saying.

“Jesus got a crown of thorns, yet people want a bed of roses”.

We are going through some rather hard things right now in my house. God is the only reason I haven’t crashed out.

11 posted on 03/19/2014 7:27:42 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: markomalley

Thanks... Very much appreciate the link.

12 posted on 03/19/2014 9:48:40 AM PDT by tired&retired
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13 posted on 03/19/2014 1:35:07 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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14 posted on 03/19/2014 10:45:40 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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15 posted on 03/20/2014 9:02:40 AM PDT by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: markomalley
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16 posted on 03/22/2014 9:26:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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