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Man's law vs God's Law
vanity | 03/18/2014 | Chuckles

Posted on 03/19/2014 9:24:38 AM PDT by chuckles

A few weeks back, I was able to give a message at my church on Wed. night. The Spirit had been working on me for weeks and I couldn't even sleep thinking God had given me a warning about our country. The image was so vivid, It actually frightened me about a man walking a tightrope, shaking his fist at God. I decided to write this down from recollection of my notes. I was sick of being told I couldn't judge or I would be judged, and politics have no place in church. I think many preachers keep quiet to save themselves grief from friends and family members who might be gay. This isn't even so much as about the sinners, but the fate of our country. God will not allow us to be on the fence and give us a pass on allowing sin to flourish in America. So many of us say we condemn gay marriage and abortion, but refuse to support laws that would keep others from the same sin in our country. This is what came from my experience with the Spirit.


God’s Law vs Man’s Law

Back in late 2013, I was studying my Bible in relation to The Jewish Festivals, so I was doing more than a little reading in the Old Testament. I came across Leviticus 18:22, and the Spirit stopped me right there and my mind couldn't get passed the term “abomination”, “defile”, and “vomit”. I read and re read the verse and it seemed to me God was trying to put extra emphasis on the sin of homosexuality. In my church, we had been discussing how one sin is no different than another and all required the blood of Jesus for forgiveness, and Jesus even made the point that just thinking lewd thoughts of a woman, not your wife, was already adultery.

But the terms “abomination” and “vomit” just jumped off the page. I always try to read verses in context, so I backed up some verses and went forward some verses to completely understand what God was telling His people. He made the point that He was throwing the Canaanites out of the land God was giving the Jews, because they had defiled the land with sodomy and bestiality and if the Jews allowed such practices, they too would be “vomited” out of the land. It came to me that God was warning the Jews about more than the sin of homosexuality, but He was warning the country not to allow it anywhere in the land, for it defiles the land. The homosexual can repent and receive forgiveness as we see in 1 Cor 6:9-11, but it is entirely different to accept homosexuality in the land. The land must repent and be cleansed, as well as the sinner, to avoid the judgment of God. What we find in Romans 1:18-32 is we are not allowed to approve of sin, even if we don’t participate in the sin ourselves. By approving of gay marriage, we are guilty of the same sin. As Christians, we should already agree that homosexuality is a grave sin before God, but we can’t just say it has nothing to do with me as we vote for people that condone abortion, sodomy, stealing, lying, jealousy, and heresy.

A closer look at sin reveals that sexual sin is spoken of differently than sin, such as stealing. Stealing is a sin against God, but adultery and fornication is a sin against your own flesh. We also see that homosexuality is an abomination to God. I believe there is extra emphasis on sodomy because the whole plot of the Bible is founded on Jesus purchasing His Bride and going forth and multiplying. If Satan is a liar and counterfeiter, then it’s easy to see that gay marriage is a counterfeit to God’s plan for our lives and homosexual “love” is an attempt to mock God’s plan for the world and His people.

At the time this was being revealed to me, there was a news story that there would be gay marriages performed in the Rose Bowl parade and the Duck Dynasty controversy was in full swing. I then had a vision of a man walking a tightrope over a windy canyon with one hand tied behind his back with hell fire down below. The man was having trouble staying on the cable with his hand tied behind him, so instead of crying out to God, he raised his fist at God and screamed, “What are you going to do about it now!” The reaction to Sid, of Duck’s Dynasty was quick and complete, and no one, not even professing Christians, was decrying the defiling of the Rose Bowl parade. Soon afterward, it was announced there would be gay marriages at the Grammy’s. What possible connection was there to a parade or an award show? It was America screaming at God to do something about our willful crimes against Him. Almost daily now, there are news stories about sodomites being elevated in America. I believe it’s up to 18 states now that have been forced to recognize gay marriage by the courts. Even voting for constitutional amendments doesn't give protection from wayward judges appointed by liberals.

This is not politics in church; this is right out of God’s Word. It is seldom even mentioned in church today under the threat of pew sitters walking out, or even worse, someone coming after their 501c3 tax exemption. Even churches today are buckling under the weight of Satan’s lies. Everyone has heard of the Catholics priests molesting altar boys. We have all seen other denominations like the Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopalians, and Anglicans, all caving into to the heresy that Jesus has somehow come and changed the Law and has apologized for destroying Sodom. As I studied for this message, I soon found there is a whole cottage industry springing up trying to say that Sodom wasn't destroyed for sodomy, but was destroyed because they weren't hospitable to the angels that came to rescue Lot and family. God had already decided to destroy Sodom BEFORE the angels were “mistreated”. This is so easily refuted, I can’t understand how educated theologians could fall for this bunk. But indeed, Google “Gay deacons” and you will find even a few Baptist churches have now bought into this idiocy. If you've ever wondered who Jesus was referring to when He stated “Get away from Me, I never knew you.”, this may just fit the bill. There is another verse in the Bible that references “vomiting” people out found in Revelation stating the “lukewarm” would get vomited out. This is referring to church people, not just the “cold” lost people.

In Deut 30:11-20, God has a discussion about Him placing blessing and cursing, life and death, before us and He has to tell us to choose blessing and life because we are so ignorant. He tells us His ways are not our ways and His ways are higher than our ways. That means we just can’t understand why God says and does what He does, and most likely whatever man comes up with will probably be directly the inverse of what God desires for our life. If you think God will not punish homosexuals that don’t repent because God loves them so therefore you know that Jesus has forgiven sodomy now that He has come, you are deluded and believe the lie, and are no different than the practicing homosexual and you have placed you land in danger of judgment.

There is so much information about how God thinks in the Bible, this message could go for days, but just know this, John 16:2 tells us that people will end up killing Christians because they will think they are doing the will of God. We are there now, in my opinion. You cannot hold a job or give your opinion, or even read the Word Of God in public, without ridicule and derision. If you look at what happened with Chick-Fil-A, Duck Dynasty, Sarah Palin, and others, you can see the machinery is already in place to suppress the Truth. (Romans 1:18) The new pope is being raised up by the media because he has said the church needs to “rethink” the church’s approach to homosexuality. Catholics say we misunderstand what he is trying to do, but if pro homosexuals and the media are praising the pope, it makes me suspicious that Catholics are on the same road as the other denominations mentioned. You know we will know them by their fruit and not by what they say. Calling yourself Christian doesn't make you one, but DOING the Will of the Father is a tell that maybe you mean what you say.

You might ask, what, as a Christian can I do to stop my country from being destroyed by God’s judgment? The main job we have as believers is found in 2nd Chron 7: 13-22. As believers, our actions are the determining factor in what happens. Lost people are lost. God listen to His sheep and rescues them from danger, but if His sheep has gone to another sheppard, punishment is usually the remedy He uses to get them to call His name again. The Bible shows us over and over throughout history that God had to bring His children to their collective knees, to get them to repent and come home. Read Isaiah 1:2-31. This, in my opinion, is coming to America. The only question is “How much longer?” God mourns that He will have to bring judgment to His people AGAIN! This wasn't the first time. It really hit me when God said the Ox knows its owner and the donkey knows his master’s crib. Have we forgotten that God is our owner and He is our provider? He even references Sodom and Gomorrah in verse 10. I’m sure sodomy wasn't their only sin, but what sin was the final straw?

Another thing we can do as believers is stop raising and electing leaders that obviously don’t love the Word of God. If a person is for abortion and sodomy, chances are, he/she, isn’t a believer. You can’t get good fruit from a bitter tree. The same people may sit next to you in a pew, but will be the first to deny prayer in school, take God off the money, and remove the 10 Commandments from government buildings. The latest primary advertisements were full of people boasting that they were long time members, and even deacons of their churches, but then boasted that they would defend abortion and gay marriage to their last breath. How do they get into office? There are people that say they voted for them because they may want a raise in Medicare, or Social Security. The Bible calls that prostitution. We just have to come to a price and you will sell yourself to other gods. Have we forgotten that when the righteous rule, the people rejoice? If you get the leadership right, the money will take care of itself if God is your provider.

The reason this message seems so controversial today is because most all of us know a homosexual or we have some in our family. No one wants to think that a son or daughter is a sinner, but we all know drunkards, thieves, adulterers, and fornicators in our families also. For the individual sinner, repentance is necessary, just as for any sin. The new excuse for sodomy is now “they are born that way”. Well, I was born to love women, but that doesn't give me a pass to commit adultery. I’m sure there are many alcoholics that came from alcoholic parents. The Bible still says we must repent or forego our place in Heaven. For at least 5000 years of written history, sodomy has been a sin and there are no excuses. They say they can’t change, but 1st Cor 6:9-11 tells us that “such were some of you”, meaning they are no longer homosexuals. Even if you have to remain chaste the rest of your life, are you willing to risk hell fire in order to rebel against God’s Law?

The Bible has references to God’s people as “soldiers for Christ”. I’m absolutely sure that we are in a war. It is a war that does kill people. The death that happens to the sodomite is in the flesh and the spirit. It’s eternal. We are instructed by the Great Commission to take ground and free the people. There are winners and losers and borders are changed. If we lose America, where will God allow us to go? That is how important this battle has become. If we lift the scales from our eyes, we might see the battle field as the landing on a beach in WWII. Dead bodies litter the beach, limbs and blood everywhere. Angels are fighting demons on our behalf. Just a simple math exercise says that if a third of the angel fell, then 2 thirds are left on my side, but the Bible explicitly says that WE are to carry our “sword” and we should have a shield and breastplate. I think God is saying we should be helping the angels, not crawling to the bottom of a foxhole with our helmets pulled down over our eyes so we can’t see. At some point, if you claim Christ, you will be REQUIRED to leave the foxhole and take ground. To allow our churches to fall to Satan’s lies is treason. To allow our land to fall is tragic and preventable. As we spiral down to the point that even Christians don’t read and know what’s in the Bible, we fall to pressure from lost people, modern philosophy, and Satan’s lies. People hate us because they hated Jesus. We will be persecuted for His name sake. His Word is like a sword that has come to divide. We are being divided even in our families. Let’s just make sure we are on the right side; God’s side. Col 2: 8 tells us not to be cheated by philosophy and empty deceit, according to the traditions of men, according to the basic principles of the world and not according to Christ. The question isn't whether your family member likes you, or your boss likes you, or if the media likes you, but do YOU love God? Be steadfast and stand in the gap for God.

TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: culture; homosexuality; law; marriage

1 posted on 03/19/2014 9:24:38 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Man Law #1 - You poke it, you own man law.

2 posted on 03/19/2014 9:27:55 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: chuckles

A quick re read and I know Phil was the Dynasty guy and there are a couple of you=your mistakes. Please have mercy if you are a spelling Nazi.

3 posted on 03/19/2014 9:34:25 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

The whole “judge not, lest ye be judged” is conpletely misconstrued by modern society. Probably on purpose.

4 posted on 03/19/2014 9:36:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: chuckles
We, in the Maine secession movement, agree.

This from the Constitution of the Republic of Maine:

Section 6. The Militia and the standing army of 1,000. So as to insure and guarantee the rights guaranteed in this Constitution, every natural born male in the Republic of Maine, upon reaching the age of 18 years from conception through age 67 years from conception, has, as a member of the Militia, the obligation to keep and bear arms for the common defense, for his and his families protection, to defend against this government or any government in the future from becoming oppressive, tyrannical, or in any other way obnoxious to freedom, and to secure the rights written in this Constitution. This obligation shall never be questioned. No law shall be passed that restricts this obligation, except for time in a local jail, county jail or Maine Republic prison. No law shall be passed, test given, or fee assessed to any citizen of the Republic of Maine, age 18 from the age of conception, both male and female, that would restrict in any way that citizens right to be armed either concealed or open. Males who are found to be or confess to being homosexuals are refused entry and from serving in either the Militia or the standing army. Males over the age of 67 may be voluntary members of the Militia with the full rights of Militia members. Natural born males between the age of 16 years from conception to 18 years from conception may volunteer for Militia service with the written permission of parents or guardians. The standing army of 1,000 shall be drawn from the Militia by the commander of the Militia and is under the command of the commander of the Militia who is appointed by and reports directly to the President.

Section 7. All human life is precious and a gift from God. Age is counted from the moment life begins, which is at the moment of conception and as such, all human life is protected from conception to death and has the full rights of this Constitution from conception. Any citizen of the Republic of Maine may use what ever force he or she deems necessary to protect human life. All abortions are considered first degree premeditated murder, children are entrusted, by God the Creator to that child's parents and as such are the responsibility of the parents, not the state, no level of Government whether local, county or Republic is to, in any way, over rule a parent in the rearing, educating, and/or influencing that child in any way.

5 posted on 03/19/2014 9:39:29 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at
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To: ClearCase_guy

True. The injunction is not against judging per se, but to judge righteously, for if you judge unjustly, the same standard will be applied to your own judgment.

6 posted on 03/19/2014 10:03:57 AM PDT by Hootowl
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To: chuckles

Great article.

7 posted on 03/19/2014 10:10:34 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: chuckles

AMEN Chuckles, preach it and I will turn the pages!

8 posted on 03/19/2014 10:12:42 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker (Hard to paddle against the flow of sewage coming out of the White House.)
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

It Says All That ?

9 posted on 03/19/2014 10:13:04 AM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: Hootowl
Also, we cannot judge a man's soul, but we are commanded to judge sin and flee from it. God is clearly our judge, but if we don't recognize sin, how can we abstain from it? Jesus didn't condemn the adulterous woman, but admonished her to stop sinning. He can NEVER accept adultery just because He loves and cares for us.

The pressure today is to call Christians "haters" and deny sin is a sin. The sin has never changed, but the sinner can still be saved. There has never been a culture that survived that accepted homosexuality as normal behavior.

In this train of thought, we could be commanded to leave our garages unlocked in case a homeless man needs a weed eater to pawn for a drink. Stealing and alcoholism is a sin or it's not, no matter how "nice" we want to be to the homeless.

10 posted on 03/19/2014 10:13:44 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Nothing to disagree on.

11 posted on 03/19/2014 10:47:45 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ClearCase_guy

As a believer, I have found:

1. There is good and there is evil. (Seek the WORD of GOD and you will be given knowledge)
2. Judge the sin, not the sinner, lest you be judged. (for we have all sinned and only GOD can judge us)
3. The devil and his demons have the power to lie and deceive. (his only power over you, don’t let him)
4. Pray for GODs guidance in all matters. (he is still in control whether we know it or not).
5. Seek and you shall find. (get off your arse and in the spirit - move it, make it happen)
6. GOD is sovereign. (all will be given or taken according to GOD’s will - not yours)
7) Love GOD with all your heart and one another. (the two greatest commandments ever given)
There are many more truths, but you get my drift.

Given to you in brotherly love as it was given to me.
Hang on it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

12 posted on 03/19/2014 11:00:39 AM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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To: Big Red Badger; The_Republic_Of_Maine
It Says All That ?

I don't know what "the Republic of Maine" is, but the Constitution of the State of Maine is here, and it says nothing like either of those things.

13 posted on 03/19/2014 11:57:47 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Hootowl

Agreed completely. We’re to judge others not using unrighteous standards or our own standards, but God’s standards.

Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

And just a couple of verses after the Left’s favorite verse (Matthew 7:1) was this verse:

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Christ obviously wasn’t speaking about four-footed critters, but PEOPLE who are dogs and swine. And how would we come to the conclusion that they’re dogs and swine unless we JUDGED them to be so?

14 posted on 03/19/2014 12:02:10 PM PDT by afsnco
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To: Lurking Libertarian
I don't know what "the Republic of Maine" is, but the Constitution of the State of Maine is here, and it says nothing like either of those things."

The Republic of Maine is the name for the free country that the state of Maine becomes immediately after the secession vote on June 12, 2018. What you were reading is the beginning, it will be done within the next two years, of the Constitution that will go into effect immediately upon the success of the secession vote.

While no more than what is currently up is official, more will be put up this coming Saturday, I can answer, within a day, almost any question you have concerning the new Constitution, not the exact wording, but the essence of what it will be.

As and example, all land use is limited to the local level, Maine will be at perpetual war with the UN, therefore allowing no entry into the UN or any support for it's military or social agendas.

15 posted on 03/19/2014 1:48:06 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at
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To: Big Red Badger
"It Says All That ?"

That and alot more. The group working the Constitution is trying to figure out every where the US went astray, one of the things coming is that politicians must swear to uphold the Constitution under penalty of perjury punishable by five or more years in prison.

We are looking for freeper comment, not argument on if we can secede or if 'they' whoever they are, will let us secede, but constructive suggestions and criticism of the Constitution we are proposing and will be voted on June 12, 2018 with the secession vote.

We have gone to far out on the limb of freedom to back off or down now. While you may not know my name, you can bet the farm the feds and the local, state and county police do.

16 posted on 03/19/2014 1:53:37 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

...”The Republic of Maine is the name for the free country that the state of Maine becomes immediately after the secession vote on June 12,2018”...


17 posted on 03/19/2014 4:54:25 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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